Harry and Meghan EVICTED from Frogmore, keys handed to Prince Andrew

[tatalan]

What do you think?

I'm not surprised. I wonder if Harry and Meghan will buy a new UK residence.

Here’s the photo of them all at dinner together.

Here’s a summary fo what was written in Finding Freedom

One of the most "awkward" incidents took place when Meghan crossed paths with Kate in Kensington Palace, and the two found themselves about to go shopping on the same street. But Kate drove in the opposite direction in her own Range Rover, leaving Meghan to shop by herself.

Kate didn't make much of an effort to "bridge the divide," authors Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand said. In fact, when they first met, Meghan tried to break the ice by gifting Kate a Smythson notebook and cooing over Princess Charlotte, who was just 20 months old at the time. But as the book explains, Kate and the Suits actress had "nothing in common" aside from living in the same palace.

Meghan reportedly expected quite a different reception from Kate, assuming that the Duchess of Cambridge would offer the lowdown on how to navigate the royal ropes and welcome her into the family. "But that was not how things turned out," the authors wrote (via The Sunday Times). "Meghan was disappointed that she and Kate hadn't bonded over the position they shared, but she wasn't losing sleep over it."

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Lainey later wrote that it was about Meghan! She said everyone in Royal Gossip Circles knew the story about shopping. She never says exactly where she heard it. There's a picture of the Mulroney's with Lainey Liu. She absolutely ran in the same circles.

She did deny that she was a source for Finding Freedom. She denies she is friends with Meghan. Ok, I believe all that. But she never denied that a friend of Meghan's passed her that story.

Oh Gosh, Serenster. I missed that Meghan was in that picture, too.

It's what I get asked for. It's hearsay. A theory. Gossip.

Great post @MarshaMelrose it's so nice to read someone who is not a fan of H or M who is consistently measured and balanced.

I hear you, but I have a question. You say:

honestly, she faced nothing in comparison to Diana, Camilla and Kate. And even Anne used to get lots of personal attacks about her looks, her wardrobe and her personality.

You have referenced only the female members of the Royal Family. Why do they have to put up with acres of criticism. Genuinely, why? As Harry says, the women get it really badly. And why is that tolerable or acceptable?

Meghan got it far worse than all of them because much of it was race driven. Just three examples: she was accused of fueLling murders by eating avocado, she was linked to ISIS terrorists, she was accused of endangering Charlotte's health. I don't recall anyone else being associated with criminal behaviour like she was. And this is just in the mainstream press, without the fraudulent pregnancy, surrogate nonsense and yacht girl nonsense thrown into it.

Even if I agree that she did not get it as badly as the others, why should she have put up with it? This is not a sorority where hazing is expected. This is stuff that has real consequences for mental health. I am glad she valued herself enough to say no, I can't do this, but maybe if I am half out, away from the press, it may be bearable, and that failing, they chose all out.

For whatever reason Kate really did not make friends with the women in the Royal Family. She has poor relationships with Eugenie and Beatrice as well.

This is not a sorority where hazing is expected

You want to put Meghan in the same conversation as hazing in sororities? 😄

Maybe so. How would you feel in Kate's shoes if you found out that things which happened between you and Harry's latest girlfriend were being printed on gossip sites in another country? Remember this is a woman who is already making you feel uncomfortable, try to a level of intimacy rather than letting it grow organically. I would distance myself even further. Despite Meghan telling Oprah that what the media did to Kate was no big deal, she'd already been through a tremendous shitstorm when Meghan got involved.

But I am sure you will show no empathy nor understanding for this woman.

Harry and Meghan are so quick to say everyone else is leaking. They take no ownership of the many times they have embarrassed their families by doing so themselves. Even the story about Camilla printed in Spare. IT was her staff that shared the details about the meeting with Harry and William and it was an error, not intentional or malicious. The woman was fired. Still Harry is blaming Camilla all these years later. I think that is why they told him he was paranoid and delusional. And I think he feels completely justified in doing his own leaking and oversharing because of this paranoia.

From the minute that shopping trip story came out, I had a view on it. I posted on MN years ago.

If a woman joined our family by marrying a brother or BIL of mine, of course I would take her shopping if the opportunity arose,, especially as she came from another country,didn't know anyone and didn't know the area. I think it was a snub.
I was very surprised at the time that Kate didn't. I puzzled over it.

I can't cope with all the push back on this. I've heard it all before... Meghan probably wasn't friendly, why should Kate do that, she probably didn't want to draw the press attention to herself, maybe she wanted some quiet time to herself, yada yada yada.
It is just my opinion, for what it's worth.

And my money's on a Camilla/Kate cold front to repel the invader or at least put her in her place, a strategy that has blown up in their faces. Rather than being the Fab4 and a modern monarchy reboot fit for the 21st century it has driven them away and certainly post the death of the queen, highlighted the dysfunction, privilege and increasing irrelevance of the institution to the average citizen.

I've always thought it was very presumptuous to expect Kate to be best buds with Meghan and show her the ropes. She had two kids and was pregnant while they were dating/engaged. I know that when I was pregnant and working with just my 2nd I was too exhausted to have extra energy to make nice with my soon to be BIL.

Kate did not have an easy time when dating William. She was hounded by the paparazzi, her family were hounded too, all those awful stories written about 'Waity Katie', they broke up for a while. She'd seen Harry's girlfriends come and go while she knuckled down and learned the job. Why was she the one expected to help Meghan learn the ropes? The Palace set up all sorts of mentors and advisors for Meghan, but it was really on Harry to do that, and he clearly did a terrible job given the number of things which apparently came as a big surprise to her.

We never hear much about her friends, do we ?

But she never denied that a friend of Meghan's passed her that story.

@AliceOlive

I see. So all you have is that a friend of Meghan's, but not Meghan herself may have been the source? Jessica as we know was Meghan's friend. Friends confide in each other. I can well imagine J and M talking about how weird Kate was to Meghan on meeting etc. This does not mean Meghan authorised Jessica to leak anything about Kate to a gossip site surely?

On Kate, you say:

Despite Meghan telling Oprah that what the media did to Kate was no big deal, she'd already been through a tremendous shitstorm when Meghan got involved.

At no point did Meghan say her coverage was "no big deal". She was sympathetic to what Kate went through,. What she said was that what made things different in her case was the racist coverage in the media. Her words specifically were "rude and racist are not the same."

Here is a link with her actually words.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vctvtR9y6Ys

I hate shopping with other people though and would not expect a new boyfriend's family to entertain me.

I would decide if I was going to take someone along based on how I was feeling that day, what I had planned, how comfortable I felt with the person, etc.

But if I found out that a new friend of a family member shared info about me that ended up in a gossip column I would be very, very careful around them going forward.

If that's what Kate was doing, then everything that has happened since then has certainly proven she had good cause. I absolutely cannot fathom how terribly stabbed in the back she must feel by the comments to Oprah and what Harry wrote in Spare. It's all very gaslighting for them to talk about others leaking. And they have not even accused Kate of leaking but they happily punish her for what they say Camilla, courtiers and media have done.

Your first sentence sums it up for me. Whether I hated shopping with anyone or not, I would do it, as a welcome to the family thing. Particularly as she knew no one, and was from another country. I can't imagine not doing it, to be frank.

What, on the day, had she found out that Meghan had shared? Nothing
You're making stuff up again.

You should really stop this.

how terribly stabbed in the back she must feel by the comments to Oprah

I have linked her actual comments to Oprah. See above.

If I saw my sister in law in the same street shopping where I was also shopping I would not just say hello and then go in the opposite direction. My sister in law and I have nothing in common. But doing that is pretty rude.

If she was simply chatting to friends negatively about Kate, it was ignorant and highly neglectful of her privacy. She didn't just fall off the turnip truck. She was not lacking in media and SM awareness.

It was betrayal to even bring Kate up on Oprah. That is malicious.

Someone wrote we don't hear about Kate's friends. Exactly right. And we don't hear about Kate from them, either.

Probably because they’re very discreet and don’t whine off to the media at any opportunity.

The Oprah interview and Meghan’s comments were a complete minimisation of what Kate went through.

As the nature of media attention had changed in the decade and more between their being in the scenes, Meghan thankfully did not have to live through the physical paparazzi harrassment at all hours of the day and night, having abuse shouted at her in public places to get a photo of her reacting, having her phone hacked more than 100 times and William’s voicemails to her listened to and published, being upskirted and having photos taken of her by photographers literally lying in the gutters, having topless photos of her published etc.

Meghan said she got that being called “Waity Katey” must have stung, but…. In reality, that nickname was about the mildest thing Kate lived through.

It was not her SIL. It was Harry's new girlfriend.

I would do it, as a welcome to the family thing

This is hindsight talking through. Meghan was Harry’s new girlfriend. She was not his fiancé. They were not even living in the same country. Should Kate also have taken Caroline Flack or Jenna Coleman shopping? Can you imagine the gossip if she had?

Kate is clearly very careful about who she is close to (with good reason, as we see). What you would do in your own family is not relevant to what someone else in a completely different situation would do.

Is this the tacky little place that Meghan hated/felt was not good enough for a princess in the making? The one where she had to use her credit card to buy an ikea sofa because there wasn’t an antique chesterfield in it…😂

That's exactly what I was thinking. What was she meant to be, the welcome wagon for every woman Harry brings around?