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Camilla will officially be known as the Queen

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AmandaJonah · 26/02/2023 16:51

She clearly is already the Queen. But officially after the Coronation she will be known as the Queen, not the Queen Consort.

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Plitvice · 27/02/2023 18:52

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:50

I take it therefore that you fully condemned Diana for her adultery with various married men, and still do so?

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She had taken leave of her senses by that time. You cannot condemn a person who doesn't really know what they are doing anymore.

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:52

Novella4 · 26/02/2023 19:30

You profoundly misunderstand

This has nothing to do with history and sins of monarchy past ( btw - THAT is your defence? Charles is no worse than other awful kings?)

Camilla and Chalres tortured Diana . We all know about it . We have the receipts .
Charles and Camilla lied and cheated . Neither are of good character . Charles even lied in the Dimbleby interview . He claimed he and Camilla were just 'good friends'

Populations past accepted what they were told .
People have made up their Malinda re Camilla . If you are a benighted royalist you'll bend the knee regardless
Many more say they respirated the queen but they are finished with monarchy now

Diana died tragically and she was young and beautiful . The sight of Camilla and Charles on their gilt thrones with their blood diamond crowns will not be the PR coup the palace thinks it will be

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What is the relevance of Diana being young and beautiful to anything? Do you think she tortured the wives of the married men she shagged?

Xol · 27/02/2023 19:30

Plitvice · 27/02/2023 18:52

She had taken leave of her senses by that time. You cannot condemn a person who doesn't really know what they are doing anymore.

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What a very offensive thing to say about her. There was no evidence whatsoever that she lacked mental capacity.

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:10

@Xol
No he didn't

Charles lied
Repeatedly

First - he said theyd never marry .
They did

Then he said she would never be queen - she'd be called 'princess'
Another lie .

Camilla will be anointed with holy oil and have the the blood diamond crown and Willy will commit the final betrayal of his mother and kneel before both of them

upinaballoon · 27/02/2023 21:23

Novella4 · 26/02/2023 19:30

You profoundly misunderstand

This has nothing to do with history and sins of monarchy past ( btw - THAT is your defence? Charles is no worse than other awful kings?)

Camilla and Chalres tortured Diana . We all know about it . We have the receipts .
Charles and Camilla lied and cheated . Neither are of good character . Charles even lied in the Dimbleby interview . He claimed he and Camilla were just 'good friends'

Populations past accepted what they were told .
People have made up their Malinda re Camilla . If you are a benighted royalist you'll bend the knee regardless
Many more say they respirated the queen but they are finished with monarchy now

Diana died tragically and she was young and beautiful . The sight of Camilla and Charles on their gilt thrones with their blood diamond crowns will not be the PR coup the palace thinks it will be

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I don't understand why you say that Charles said that he and Camilla were just good friends, in the Dimbleby interview. Perhaps he said that about an earlier time in their relationship but my ears clearly heard him say that he had been unfaithful, but not until his marriage had broken down irretrievably.

soleilblue · 27/02/2023 21:25

Very good ill try to remember

DappledThings · 27/02/2023 21:32

Camilla will be anointed with holy oil and have the the blood diamond crown and Willy will commit the final betrayal of his mother and kneel before both of them
This level of drama is hilarious

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:57

Which of those things won't happen ?

DappledThings · 27/02/2023 22:31

Novella4 · 27/02/2023 21:57

Which of those things won't happen ?

Was that a reply to me?
In which case the hilarious drama bit was where you claim that the Prince of Wales bowing to the Queen is betraying his long-dead mother. It's really very silly.

Xol · 27/02/2023 23:06

@Xol

No he didn't

No who didn't what, @Novella4? I can't see any post of mine where I've said that a "he" did anything.

Xol · 27/02/2023 23:11

Everyonesinvited · 26/02/2023 19:57

It's tactless.

Why is it any more tactless than, say, Princess Alexandra becoming Queen as soon as Queen Victoria died? Or King George V becoming King immediately after Edward VII died? It's the way the constitution and the monarchy work.

Luredbyapomegranate · 27/02/2023 23:12

Obviously

Xol · 27/02/2023 23:17

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 26/02/2023 20:13

Wrong - Queen Elizabeth said she would be known as 'Queen Consort' - here is her message to that effect:

www.royal.uk/queens-accession-day-message

Why don't you do a simple Google to check your facts before rudely accusing others of 'talking nonsense' @SeasonFinale ?

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She is Queen Consort. Just as the Queen Mother was Queen Consort, as was Queen Mary and Queen Alexandra. But they were known as queen, and Queen Elizabeth II knew that a Queen Consort would always be known as Queen. She no doubt rightly felt that she shouldn't have to spell it out because it's bloody obvious.

Xol · 27/02/2023 23:23

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:35

Diana's adultery was reactive. I don't think she would have considered it if Charles had supported her emotionally. It came after many years of grieving Charles' lack of respect for her as a wife and the mental health problems she developed (and had anyway due to an unstable childhood). She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla.

Does that make it any better that she went after other women's husbands? One of them said that Diana used to turn up out of the blue and, if she, the wife, was present, Diana would sit there in silence until she left the room, whereupon she would burst into animated conversation with her husband. Sounds pretty cool and bloody offensive to me.

Luredbyapomegranate · 27/02/2023 23:34

namechanged221 · 26/02/2023 17:48

Apart from the wives of kings before we're not divorcees, as he is head of church this matters.

I think it was agreed she would be known as princess consort.

Then the Queen agreed (just before her death, sadly) that she could be known as Queen consort. I wonder how that she latex out?

Now they're taking the word consort out.

So she is the Queen, with a coronation, holy oil, a crown. Not what was originally planned or agreed.

Sorry but we have been played.

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What a load of nonsense. The King’s wife has always been known as the Queen.

The idea she’d be Princess consort was just a way for the public to get used to her. The description of Queen consort is just as opposed to Queen Regnant. She’s being called Qu consort now while people get used to the idea we can have a Queen who isn’t a monarch.

She’s crowned so she’s Queen.

Sshiamreading · 27/02/2023 23:36

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/02/2023 16:54

I suppose it’s has a better ring than adulteress in chief

😂😂😂

KrasiTime · 28/02/2023 05:34

I cannot believe that some people have no grasp of British history.

The wife of the King is always the Queen Consort known as the Queen for short. Queen Consort is to differentiate between Q Consort (married to king) & Queen regnant (Queen in her own right). It’s not tactless.

Some of you need to go back to school if you cannot understand the difference.

BadgerB · 28/02/2023 06:56

This is getting so....mediaeval. Phrases like "bend the knee"; "anoint with holy oil"; "swear allegiance", "blood diamonds".

What is not mediaeval at all is the horror that the monarch was forced to marry his parents' choice, and then committed adultery.

Xol · 28/02/2023 09:33

Twillow · 26/02/2023 21:22

It is not official. It's a 'insiders say' from the Daily Mail.
It probably will happen. Just shows the disrespect Charles has for the populace.

If that were true, then Edward VII, George V, and George VI all massively disrespected the populace as their respective wives were all known as Queen.

It's not even a matter of what Charles wants, it's simply normal practice. The Mail is just trying to wind up its Diana worshippers. Not for nothing has it been notorious for years for trying to shoehorn a picture of her onto the front page at every opportunity, it was generally known as "Dead Blonde Corner".

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AmandaJonah · 28/02/2023 09:35

Charles was pressured and coerced to marry Diana. It probably meets the definition of forced marriage which is now illegal.

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GloomyDarkness · 28/02/2023 09:45

I cannot believe that some people have no grasp of British history.
The wife of the King is always the Queen Consort known as the Queen for short. Queen Consort is to differentiate between Q Consort (married to king) & Queen regnant (Queen in her own right). It’s not tactless.

I have to admit I'm shocked at lack of historical knowledge - but I think many posters aren't British.

Inheritance laws made Queen regnant rare - first undisputed one was Mary I which explains why Henry VIII was so desperate for a son. Prior to that we had the The Anarchy - .

So it's been Queen Mary I, Elizabeth I - next one Mary II who ruled with her cousin ( and after her sister in succession anyway ) and husband William III, then Queen Ann then Queen Victoria and then Elizabeth II.

Prior to Stuart inheritance of English crown they only really had Mary Queen of Scots as Queen regnant and possible Margaret, Maid of Norway never inaugurated and whose death sparked a succession dispute.

France had Salic law - no female inheritance and Hanover had semi-Salic law which was why Queen Victoria didn't get that as well as English crown.

A thousand year old monarchy does come with some outdated notions and succession laws have only just been update with Succession to the Crown Act 2013 leaving it to birth order alone now no longer favoring boys.

Charles wife was always going to be Queen - a Queen Consort - though I do think there may have been PR games in early years of their marriage when papers suggested she wouldn't use title.

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AmandaJonah · 28/02/2023 09:48

But the Royal Family did lie when they said Camilla would never use the title of Queen.

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GloomyDarkness · 28/02/2023 09:50

AmandaJonah · 28/02/2023 09:35

Charles was pressured and coerced to marry Diana. It probably meets the definition of forced marriage which is now illegal.

It is surprising to look back at 80s and to hear about how much dynastic maneuvering by Queen Mother and cohort and Mountbatten was apparently going on.

It does sound like there was huge pressure on him to get marry and to marry right kind of background - but I think he had more choice about who than implied here.

Plitvice · 28/02/2023 09:50

Xol · 27/02/2023 23:23

Does that make it any better that she went after other women's husbands? One of them said that Diana used to turn up out of the blue and, if she, the wife, was present, Diana would sit there in silence until she left the room, whereupon she would burst into animated conversation with her husband. Sounds pretty cool and bloody offensive to me.

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Was that Will Carling?
Don't you see that for a person who was in line to be the next queen and mother of a future king, this was not just rebellious behaviour, it was wholly irrational.
Once she started sleeping around, she could not stop and never even seemed to have a type by the end. That type of promiscuity goes hand in hand with a number of MH conditions. I don't think she had any clarity of what her goals were, I doubt she enjoyed it within the context of her whole life story and she never got a chance to step away from it and reevaluate her decisions.

GloomyDarkness · 28/02/2023 09:55

AmandaJonah · 28/02/2023 09:48

But the Royal Family did lie when they said Camilla would never use the title of Queen.

They were looking to appease the public - and when it was deemed time had passed and situation changed ie PR war was going way they wanted - Queen used Accession Day message to state publicly that she wanted Camilla to have the queen consort title once Charles became king as is traditional.

It was really always on the cards once the marriage had taken place.