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Camilla will officially be known as the Queen

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AmandaJonah · 26/02/2023 16:51

She clearly is already the Queen. But officially after the Coronation she will be known as the Queen, not the Queen Consort.

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CathyorClaire · 26/02/2023 21:51

Seriously, did you think they were going to call her Queen Consort Camilla?

Philip was never styled consort even though that's exactly what he was.

What's wrong with Duchess of Edinburgh? After all she was never known as Princess of Wales...

DappledThings · 26/02/2023 21:55

CathyorClaire · 26/02/2023 21:51

Seriously, did you think they were going to call her Queen Consort Camilla?

Philip was never styled consort even though that's exactly what he was.

What's wrong with Duchess of Edinburgh? After all she was never known as Princess of Wales...

Exactly. He was Prince Consort but the Consort bit was rarely used. So same as Camilla. Not sure what point you are making there.

And to be Duchess of Edinburgh she'd need to be married to the Duke of Edinburgh.

Hawkins003 · 26/02/2023 21:56

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:35

Diana's adultery was reactive. I don't think she would have considered it if Charles had supported her emotionally. It came after many years of grieving Charles' lack of respect for her as a wife and the mental health problems she developed (and had anyway due to an unstable childhood). She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla.

What if she liked having affairs?

Hbh17 · 26/02/2023 21:56

She has been The Queen / Queen Camilla since the day that Queen Elizabeth died. They just used Queen Consort to avoid confusion in the early months, as "The Queen" still meant QEII to all of us.
Oh, and she was the Princess of Wales from the day of her marriage too.
She is the legal wife of The King (formerly Prince of Wales), so all of this in completely obvious.
Their past history is irrelevant, and anyone who goes on about "adulterers" really needs to grow up and stop being so judgemental.

MarshaMelrose · 26/02/2023 21:58

CathyorClaire · 26/02/2023 21:51

Seriously, did you think they were going to call her Queen Consort Camilla?

Philip was never styled consort even though that's exactly what he was.

What's wrong with Duchess of Edinburgh? After all she was never known as Princess of Wales...

Philip was never styled consort even though that's exactly what he was.

What's wrong with Duchess of Edinburgh? After all she was never known as Princess of Wales...

But Philip was a duke because he couldn't be the king. But Camilla can be Queen. Maybe if Diana had been Queen, Camilla would never have been styled Queen either. But she wasn't so she is.

BMW6 · 26/02/2023 22:03

King Charles III and Queen Camilla sounds right to me.

King Charles and Camilla the Queen Consort is just too much of a mouthful.

Just as King George V and Mary the Queen Consort was too much of a mouthful so was just shortened to Queen Mary, or just The Queen.

As was King Edward VII and Alexandra the Queen Consort. Commonly referred to as The Queen or Queen Alexandra, as you please.

And on and on and on. All women married to the King were Queen Consort. All Commonly called the Queen or Queen Whatever their name is.

Camilla is no different. She is a Queen Consort but can be called Queen Camilla or The Queen as you please. All forms of address are correct.

CathyorClaire · 26/02/2023 22:05

And to be Duchess of Edinburgh she'd need to be married to the Duke of Edinburgh.

Nothing to stop him lobbing the gong Camilla's way.

SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2023 22:14

CathyorClaire · 26/02/2023 22:05

And to be Duchess of Edinburgh she'd need to be married to the Duke of Edinburgh.

Nothing to stop him lobbing the gong Camilla's way.

True. And there is precedent. Henry VIII made Anne Boleyn a peeress in her own right. But generally speaking, I would not commend Henry's example in the treatment of consorts..

MarshaMelrose · 26/02/2023 22:49

SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2023 22:14

True. And there is precedent. Henry VIII made Anne Boleyn a peeress in her own right. But generally speaking, I would not commend Henry's example in the treatment of consorts..

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Yes. Women have inherited titles, too. The first Duke of Marlborough's daughter inherited his title and became the 2nd Duchess of Marlborough. She was already Countess of Godolphin through marriage. But who'd be a countess if you can be a duchess? And who'd be a duchess if you can be a queen?

Serenster · 27/02/2023 08:19

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:35

Diana's adultery was reactive. I don't think she would have considered it if Charles had supported her emotionally. It came after many years of grieving Charles' lack of respect for her as a wife and the mental health problems she developed (and had anyway due to an unstable childhood). She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla.

Thing is, you could equally type:

“Camilla’s adultery was reactive. I don’t think she would have considered it if Andrew Parker Bowles hadn’t been openly and serially unfaithful to her since shortly after they were married, while refusing to allow her a divorce because he was Catholic. It came after many years of grieving Andrew’s lack of respect for her as a wife and the misery she was suffering. She developed a close friendship with Charles and the two fell in love. She wasn’t a serial adulterer and stalker like Diana”

Perspective. Maybe you need to consider it might be valuable? Everyone involved in this story was clearly deeply unhappy.

clyspa · 27/02/2023 09:19

I thought we left the EU to be able to give that money to the NHS ....... 🧐

clyspa · 27/02/2023 09:23

Oops pressed post too quickly

I jest of course.

Look we can have a coronation and not have nurses have to go to food banks if there was a will to stop that - god if we never did anything because something shit we going on somewhere for someone, we'd never do anything !

As for her grandkids taking part - why not for her part? I thought people wanted it to be less stiff and formal.
It's a waste of energy to be 'insulted' by this

Plitvice · 27/02/2023 09:32

AmandaJonah · 26/02/2023 21:15

@Plitvice That is just plain nasty.
Diana was a naïve and vulnerable 19 year old whose only experience since school was working part time as a nursery worker. She was very inexperienced.
Harry was 32 when he got engaged to Meghan, had several previous girlfriends, one very serious, and had worked in the services for years. There is really no comparison.

I was talking about how she was in her late thirties, not when she was nineteen. She never really matured in her outlook even after trying out other relationships. She was almost frozen in time and Harry exhibits the same Peter Pan tendencies.

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AmandaJonah · 27/02/2023 11:02

@Plitvice A happily married man with two children is in your view like a naive 19 year old?
What Harry and Diana have in common is dysfunctional parents who both had a messy divorce. And fathers who had not much to do with them.

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BadgerB · 27/02/2023 14:22

@Plitvice A happily married man with two children is in your view like a naive 19 year old?

And you know they are happy - how?

What Harry and Diana have in common is dysfunctional parents who both had a messy divorce. And fathers who had not much to do with them.

Diana's dysfunctional behaviour seems to have been telling the teenage William about her lovers. Charles seems to have tried at least.

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AmandaJonah · 27/02/2023 14:26

Charles went on TV and told the world his parents, his children's grandparents, were terrible parents. He also said on TV lots of negative things about Diana.

But I do wonder why a post about Camilla being the Queen is being used by you to take pot shots at Harry and Diana? It just seems nasty.

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namechanged221 · 27/02/2023 16:35

AmandaJonah · 27/02/2023 14:26

Charles went on TV and told the world his parents, his children's grandparents, were terrible parents. He also said on TV lots of negative things about Diana.

But I do wonder why a post about Camilla being the Queen is being used by you to take pot shots at Harry and Diana? It just seems nasty.

Exactly!! Agree 100%

Plitvice · 27/02/2023 17:07

AmandaJonah · 27/02/2023 11:02

@Plitvice A happily married man with two children is in your view like a naive 19 year old?
What Harry and Diana have in common is dysfunctional parents who both had a messy divorce. And fathers who had not much to do with them.

No - I repeat that I was talking about the older Diana, not when she was a nineteen year old. I also really admired Diana because she did not mind people knowing her flaws. Meghan could never be like her for the reason and probably not Kate either as they both want to project a perfect version of themselves and even the problems they have are discussed after being put through a PR spin cycle.

changedforonenightonly · 27/02/2023 18:31

All the side chicks will have have Camilla as their screen saver.

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:34

She was described as Queen in the original proclamation the day after QE2's death, so I can't see that this makes any difference.

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:36

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/02/2023 17:25

For balance yes they are both adulterers and I’d be happy for their both titles to contain adulterer as nomenclature

No doubt you will take a title that includes "judgmental" as your nomenclature?

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:39

namechanged221 · 26/02/2023 17:48

Apart from the wives of kings before we're not divorcees, as he is head of church this matters.

I think it was agreed she would be known as princess consort.

Then the Queen agreed (just before her death, sadly) that she could be known as Queen consort. I wonder how that she latex out?

Now they're taking the word consort out.

So she is the Queen, with a coronation, holy oil, a crown. Not what was originally planned or agreed.

Sorry but we have been played.

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I for one have not been played. I never had any doubt that the wife of the King would become the Queen.

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:43

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 18:55

I am now veering towards feeling sorry for Harry in all of this. He mentioned the men in grey suits controlling the Queen in her last days. I wonder if Charles' office put her under pressure to elevate Camilla in this way?

Clearly not, because she didn't elevate Camllla. She simply declared a straightforward constitutional fact.

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:47

StaunchMomma · 26/02/2023 19:07

Not in my house, she won't.

Why would anyone care?

Xol · 27/02/2023 18:50

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 19:24

Adultery is different depending upon whether you are male or female. but
It is selfish and destructive for children regardless of who commits it. I have had some cracking offers over the years but I would never go there based on what I know.

I will never endorse it or excuse it in others. My opinions may change in the next few decades but I doubt it.

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I take it therefore that you fully condemned Diana for her adultery with various married men, and still do so?

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