Camilla will officially be known as the Queen

[AmandaJonah]

She clearly is already the Queen. But officially after the Coronation she will be known as the Queen, not the Queen Consort.

I get you are a Republican and want reform - but I honestly don't see any upswell in republicanism or any political movement towards that.

I don't think Harry or Meghan drama has been as damaging to monarchy as some seem to want - it's very like the press wars of the Wale's in 90s only with one side Harry and Megan ending up much more damaged. It's certainly possible Charles will politically misstep in future he just hasn't yet - even Camilla being Queen is now fine what ever with bulk of the population.

I think the monarchy and their supporters will claim anything they can to continue to get vague support and they are very good at long term PR.

I also think you massive underestimates how cynical vast swaths of the UK population actually is about The monarchy in general and this King in particular and are taking a better the mostly neutered devil you know approach.

We had the Brexit disaster, devolution issues - politically people aren't clamouring for massive changes - it's hard enough to get political movement with reforming first past post system in Westminster or reforming the house of lords further events which probably have more support that getting rid of monarchy has behind them.

Support for the monarchy has been dropping by approximately 10% per decade .

I don't trust polls but trends can be seen .

There is no need for any 'revolution'
I expect the powers that be would prefer it all handled quietly- did Philip say they'd 'go quietly'

They will start by reforming the House of Lords
-Removing the COE bishops or including other religions

• the Mountbatten Winsdors will have to become subject to the law like the rest of us
• reform their tax arrangements

No more coronations- inauguration is very different

Republican sentiment is still very important as without it being expressed the royalists can say tue 'royals' are loved
The police are scrambling to deal with protests at 'royal' events but it's coming together now
There will be agreed protest areas soon and once you are at that stage - really what is point of tue charade ?

You can keep your 'king'
Question is - will he want to keep you once the money stops and he can't pick and choose which laws to exclude himself from ?

There will be loss of support from some older people when they realise Camilla will be called Queen. These are people who believed the Royal Family when they said she would never be called Queen.

You can keep your 'king'

I don't particularly want him or know anyone who does - I'm not hugely bothered by coronation or it's costs as I suspect soft power wise and politically we'll manged to make it work for us and it is our current system.

I'm also not really pro monarchy - I just not keen on presidential replacement system though it politicians put the effort in I could probably get sold on it.

did Philip say they'd 'go quietly'

I suspect King Charles would hang on to the bitter end though I have less Idea about William.

Prince Philip own background of being member of displaced monarchy would be playing into that - his own descendent may well have a very different view based on their experiences and he now longer here to influence them.

I don;t more in political Republican circles and I'm not seeing what you are describing - though with Queen gone I'd not be surprised if they made more effort as monarchy is most vulnerable for decades - I'm not sure it will have a huge impact yet though.

They will start by reforming the House of Lords
-Removing the COE bishops or including other religions

There's many more than ardent republican wanting this - and it's not happened yet or clear it will any time soon.

I really hope it doesn't get seen as a republican stance or first step and drive away more nuance support - as frankly it need to happen and needs widespread support to do so.

No, it means that their statements mean what they say. In this case, this means that 18 years ago they intended one course of action and would have carried through on that had, for instance, the Queen keeled over shortly afterwards. It also means that, surprise surprise, things changed in the following 17 years which led the queen to change her mind. Have you never once changed your mind about your intentions? And, if you have, does that make you a total liar and manipulator?

I agree Charles would hang in until the bitter end gripping on with his fingernails.
I suspect if William and Kate were given a big pay off he would happily go and end Royalty.

I doubt it, speaking as an older person. I can't think of any contemporary of mine who is in the least bothered about calling Camilla Queen, indeed I can remember conversations from some time ago when the general view was that it would be ridiculous if, as the wife of the King, she were called anything else.

@Xol Diana is very strongly supported by some older women. They will see this as a betrayal.

None that I know.

And where is this statement that "Camilla will never be called Queen" that apparently these "older people" believed. Because unless there's another one aside from the one quoted about intention then they've not been betrayed, just misunderstood something.

I'm fascinated by this whole thing. I've not seen or heard anyone express any anger, disquiet or anything at all about Queen Camilla being called Queen Camilla anywhere except on MN. Not on any other social media, or traditional media or in real life. Which just makes the intense frothing here even funnier.

I've not seen or heard anyone express any anger, disquiet or anything at all about Queen Camilla being called Queen Camilla anywhere except on MN. Not on any other social media, or traditional media or in real life.

This does match my experience.

Well, my mother supported her. If she were alive, she'd be 97 now. For that age range, maybe you're right. But I don't think the monarchy really needs to rely on nonagenarians for its survival.

I'm still adjusting to Prince Charles being king but I would just assume Camilla would be queen rather than queen consort, that's a bit of a faff

@Xol Much younger than that. In their sixties up.
Bit unfortunate as the younger generation definitely do not support the royalty, they need the oldies.

When all this has happened and UK or GB or England has become a republic, in what ways do you think all the different aspects of life will be different for people who are not part of the aristocracy?

I've not seen or heard anyone express any anger, disquiet or anything at all about Queen Camilla being called Queen Camilla anywhere except on MN.

Agreed. In fact, I don't know anybody who expresses any great interest in the RF at all, which is why I read these threads on MN.
As for the younger generation, my daughters are mildly interested in the fashions etc, and at a wedding of 20 somethings I went to not long after the queen died, there was a toast to her and to the new king.
Certainly, nobody I know is getting their knickers in a knot about Camilla.

How do you 'support' someone who's been dead for a quarter of a century? are they expecting a resurrection?

Well my 5 sisters and I are aged between 54 and 70 and not one of us were Diana acolytes.

Nor is anyone I know. All approve of Queen Camilla.

@BMW6 Oh well if you and your sisters all think that then everyone must think that way.

If you drop the consort you are disrespecting the late Queen. I hope you ardent royalists take note.

www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a39179430/queen-consort-queen-regnant-difference/

Change of plans aside, Queen Elizabeth couldn’t have made her support more clear with this statement: “It is my sincere wish that, when that time comes, Camilla will be known as Queen Consort as she continues her own loyal service.”

That's bollocks though. It's just one journalist misunderstanding things the same as lots of PPs have. And/or being tongue in cheek given the reference at the end to Claire Foy being the real Queen.

OK, I'm going to ignore the previous eleven pages pointing this out and tell you that Queen Consort and Queen are just different ways of referring to the same person.

And the late queen is just that. Late. Dead. She doesn't care if she's being disrespected and it's of no consequence to her what has subsequently been decided since she made that announcement.

Ooh Camilla fangirls in the house , anyway as a committed Christian and head of the CofE the Queen (the real one) is in heaven having to join the queue for ambrosia and wondering where Philip is...

I really can't tell now what's satire and what isn't

You keep going on about the anointing with oil, Novella, like it’s some kind of wacky ritual. I take it you have no involvement with Christian church rituals either then? It’s commonly used at christening/communions/consecration/ when people are dying etc etc.

I love the cut and thrust of Mumsnet and the royal threads. If fawners want a moderated love in the Reddit has one where all is perfect and rosy in the royal garden and Republican malcontents are ruthlessly banned.

www.reddit.com/r/BRF/