Camilla will officially be known as the Queen

[AmandaJonah]

She clearly is already the Queen. But officially after the Coronation she will be known as the Queen, not the Queen Consort.

No, I think they changed their minds. It happens.

She seems okay Camilla. Shes 76 is she - I cant imagine she relishes the role. Times change. Churche buildings and the monarchy don't have the status in people's hearts anymore. For the younger generation anyway I think they'll become more insignificant. As it should be.

No, it really doesn't meet that definition.

No, it wasn't Will Carling. She wasn't in line to be the next queen at that point.

You have absolutely no evidence for this nonsense. Plenty of people sleep around because they want to. If she was so mentally ill that she could not control her behaviour, it would have been obvious and indeed people would have been taking legal steps to protect her.

Bloody hell. Diagnosing Diana with a mental health condition because she had sex with a number of different men!

Philips mental illness must have been really bad then. But wait it does not count for him as he is a man.

It does. The government's own definition.

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A forced marriage is where one or both people do not or cannot consent to the marriage and pressure or abuse is used to force them into the marriage. It is also when anything is done to make someone marry before they turn 18, even if there is no pressure or abuse.
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Why are people suddenly diagnosing Diana as "mentally ill"?

She was not thought to be so at the time. Her friends, it seemed, thought her rebellious, after a good time etc. and because it would, she hoped, annoy Charles.
She was also proud of her more aristocratic ancestry than that of the Royal Family
If she was so completely out of control she should have been in hospital.

I think it's being pushed now as a way of excusing all her bad behaviour. Makes Charles look worse etc

@BadgerB The Royal Family have always tried to portray Diana as mentally ill. They tried at the time to do so but it did not stick. Diana did have bulimia.
The fact the Royal Family see being mentally ill as a slur does not reflect well on them.

And Charles was worse. He had affairs throughout his marriage. He went into the marriage as a 33 year old knowing it was an arranged marriage and did not care how young and naïve his bride was.

The public could see for themselves this vast difference between them.

I don't think Diana was unwell.

I watched this about her mother - her parents weren't really allowed to marry where they wanted either leading to a very unhappy marriage and had a interesting take on BBC interview Diana gave as a way of getting Charles to divorce her and avoid being screwed over like her mother.

Charles gave a TV interview first and the Royal Family constantly briefed against Diana to the press saying she was mentally ill and a terrible mother and wife.
Diana also knew that Sarah Ferguson got a paltry settlement as part of her divorce.
Diana was trying to protect herself by challenging the lies and getting the public on her side.
Now Diana is dead there is a real attempt to rewrite history. She can't defend herself of course, so all the lies come out.

As (1) that guidance didn't exist at the time and (2) neither party claimed to have been pressurised to the extent that their consent was overborne, clearly it wasn't.

"People" aren't, it's only @Plitvice, to try to excuse her behaviour.

AmandaJonah · Today 13:09
And Charles was worse. He had affairs throughout his marriage. He went into the marriage as a 33 year old knowing it was an arranged marriage and did not care how young and naïve his bride was.
The public could see for themselves this vast difference between them.

Charles didn't have "affairs throughout his marriage" He gave up Camilla at first, then went back to her when Diana's behaviour became "difficult" - pushing someone ( I forget who) downstairs; bulimia; tantrums.

She was too young and, like Harry, not very bright. It could never have worked. Mountbatten and the D of E did both of them a great disservice. It's unfair to continue to hold Charles entirely to blame. He did what he'd been trained to do - obey his elders and choose an aristocratic virgin.

The Queen obviously learned the lesson. William was allowed to marry a commoner, and Harry a commoner who was also American and divorced.

No, they didn't. There is a difference between changing your mind and lying.

Diana's behaviour became "difficult" - pushing someone ( I forget who) downstairs; bulimia; tantrums.

I am a massive Diana supporter but I still maintain that she was mentally ill. Severe bulimia comes under mental illness for a start. What sane mother of two young kids who was routinely hounded by the paparazzi (it wasn't unexpected) would not wear a seatbelt in those circumstances?
There are so many levels of mental illness. No two profiles are the same. She was outwardly functioning, trying to forge new relationships, doing some charity work, having some fun but that doesn't mean that she was fully well.

Diana was trying to protect herself by challenging the lies and getting the public on her side.

According to documentary I linked to - she was trying to get him to divorce her so she didn't lose custody of her sons like her mother did with her children (her mother was a teenage second choice bride as well) - that apparently was her very real fear and the papers started to refer to her as a bolter as they did her mother despite her mother trying to keep custody of her kids.

Her mother's entire set turned against her and her including her own mother meaning leading to her losing her custody battle.

I think it had less to do with getting the fickle public on side and point scoring with ex than it first appeared and more about making sure her long term strategy of making sure she retained some custody of her children. So I don't think she was mentally ill but determine, ruthless in pursuit of her goals and out to make the most of her life.

Diana's behaviour became "difficult" - pushing someone ( I forget who) downstairs.

Step mother - I think documentary said at time her brother was marrying and it was very tense between her Mother, who'd not long divorced second husband, and Father and Step Mother and Diana confronted step mum about refusing to talk to her Mum - and shoved her and step mum fell down flight of stairs. Lots of family and wedding tension playing into it all.

Though late in life she was said to get on better with her step Mum and at time of her death was in period of estranged from her mother.

Severe bulimia comes under mental illness for a start.

She herself admitted she had issues with bulimia while she was married - and eating disorders do come under mental health and are persistent life long disorders but I don't think it impaired her capacity in other areas of her life

At the time I thought she was generally considered to have won the PR wars the Wales waged in the papers - the downside being the continued press intrusion.

She may have started her marriage young and possibly naive but time it ended she was a grown woman capable of great PR stunts and who unlike her mother kept herself in her children's lives.

Diana had bulimia. She said that herself. There was so much media focus on her looks that an eating disorder was not a surprising development.

It was alleged in one book Diana pushed her stepmother down some stairs. It was also alleged in the same book that the stepmother Raine refused to allow the teenage children to visit their father in hospital when he was very ill - Diana was 17 at that point. I do not know what is true. but if the book is correct then it sounds the family dynamics were a total mess.

Why are you so invested and obsessed? It seem rather personal to you OP

Interestingly, Diana made friends with Raine towards the end, and they formed a friendship. She did regret how she treated her stepmother.
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Quite. I don't know why people don't understand that things can change, and people often do.

So you can pledge you will never do anything then change your mind later?

So effectively pledges from the mouths of the Royal Family are worthless. They mean absolutely nothing. And we should just ignore any promises they make to the public.

Was it a pledge? Or an intention which, on reflection, wasn't necessary?
Namely only a minority of people couldn't cope with Camilla being Queen. So they may as well apply the correct constitutional title and role and just ignore the folk who can't cope.

It isn't really about 'coping' with her being queen. If the RF want to clean up their act and move on from the past sleaze and shenanigans then giving the ex-mistress the highest title in the land (previously associated with a widely loved and respected figure) is a questionable move. People will tolerate her because -because she is old and frail and unthreatening- but it won't boost their popularity.

No, some people genuinely can't cope and get very cross on these threads. I just don't understand why.