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Camilla will officially be known as the Queen

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AmandaJonah · 26/02/2023 16:51

She clearly is already the Queen. But officially after the Coronation she will be known as the Queen, not the Queen Consort.

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BadgerB · 01/03/2023 18:15

upinaballoon · Today 15:26
When all this has happened and UK or GB or England has become a republic, in what ways do you think all the different aspects of life will be different for people who are not part of the aristocracy?
I'd like to know this too? A popular person elected as a non-political President for 5 years? Could be a famous "star"? Or maybe Boris... And no cheaper.

nilsoften · Today 17:46
Knowing that Camilla will be Queen, as wife/consort to the king, is not being a "fangirl", it's merely knowing how the British Constitution works.

DappledThings · 01/03/2023 18:32

Knowing that Camilla will be Queen, as wife/consort to the king, is not being a "fangirl", it's merely knowing how the British Constitution works.
Exactly. I'm not a fangirl of Camilla or the monarchy in general. I still think those objecting to the Queen being referred to as the Queen are bonkers.

Plitvice · 01/03/2023 18:40

I elect to refer to them as Charles and Camilla. There is no law against not acknowledging their titles. There is no need to agonize over this. The best thing the RF could have done was skip a generation and force Kate and Wills to step into the role. However, i am almost certain that Charles really wanted to become King one day. He has been working on improving his image now for a very long time.

DappledThings · 01/03/2023 18:42

I elect to refer to them as Charles and Camilla. There is no law against not acknowledging their titles
Fair enough. That's a perfectly reasonable position to take. Those saying that using their actual titles is offensive are the crazy ones.

Kinneddar · 01/03/2023 19:55

There will be loss of support from some older people when they realise Camilla will be called Queen. These are people who believed the Royal Family when they said she would never be called Queen

I bet there's not because a lot of time has passed since then, and people realise times change & move with it. The general public perception of Camilla has changed drastically since she married Charles.

purpledalmation · 01/03/2023 20:13

Not bothered in the slightest. Sounds odd because there's only been one queen for all our lives. Apart from that, good for her.

CathyorClaire · 01/03/2023 21:04

However, i am almost certain that Charles really wanted to become King one day.

Charles has been gagging for the top job since forever.

FTR - all this all oldies love 'em and are the ones lining the streets with tents three months before the latest twenty second pass by in a golden coach is rubbish.

I'm old and think the whole circus should have died gracefully with the late queen.

Novella4 · 01/03/2023 21:56

Serenster · 01/03/2023 18:01

You keep going on about the anointing with oil, Novella, like it’s some kind of wacky ritual. I take it you have no involvement with Christian church rituals either then? It’s commonly used at christening/communions/consecration/ when people are dying etc etc.

I am very familiar with anointing with oil

Are you suggesting that being anointed with oil by the archbishop while a canopy is held over you and then you sit in a throne is some standard religious ritual ?
How have I missed that ?

As you very well know Camilla being anointed and called queen will be extremely jarring . This has been very badly thought through .

And yes we all know the wife of king blah blah ( also deeply sexist that the husband of a queen can't be a king) - so why then was it made clear that Camilla was be called 'princess'?
Just another lie . See what the masses will accept and keep brainwashing via our friendly media chaps !
Chuck can hire all the ex daily Mail advisors that he likes.
It hasn't worked.
Or it has worked only on the rabid royalist types who make excuses for Andrew and who would bow to anything they are told to

It's all going rather horribly wrong for the royals since Betty departed
Couldn't happen to a nicer family .

Serenster · 01/03/2023 21:59

As you very well know Camilla being anointed and called queen will be extremely jarring

For you, yes clearly. For the majority of people, no, not so much. You can bluster all you want, you have a minority view here.

DappledThings · 01/03/2023 22:14

so why then was it made clear that Camilla was be called 'princess'?
It was originally intended that way. Things change. It's really that simple. No subterfuge, no lying and really no big deal at all for the vast majority of people.

nilsoften · 01/03/2023 22:39

Serenster · 01/03/2023 21:59

As you very well know Camilla being anointed and called queen will be extremely jarring

For you, yes clearly. For the majority of people, no, not so much. You can bluster all you want, you have a minority view here.

Hopefully by then she will be off the sherbert and thus head off a Kwasi Kwarteng Abbey look.

AmandaJonah · 01/03/2023 23:36

DappledThings · 01/03/2023 22:14

so why then was it made clear that Camilla was be called 'princess'?
It was originally intended that way. Things change. It's really that simple. No subterfuge, no lying and really no big deal at all for the vast majority of people.

It was a clear lie. Tell the public what they want to hear then hire PR to change the publics mind.

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Novella4 · 02/03/2023 05:21

Serenster · 01/03/2023 21:59

As you very well know Camilla being anointed and called queen will be extremely jarring

For you, yes clearly. For the majority of people, no, not so much. You can bluster all you want, you have a minority view here.

@Serenster
And where is 'here' exactly?
You gave absolutely no evidence for your statement that Camilla is loved , liked or even accepted !

You have tabloids pushing that line - is that how you measure such things?
If anyone is 'blustering' is hard line royalists .
Camilla anointed is a PR disaster and you know it

DappledThings · 02/03/2023 06:17

And where is 'here' exactly?
"Here" is Mumsnet. Usually when people write here on a forum they mean that forum.

And your obsession about this does make you stand out as in the minority.

How disappointed are you going to be when the coronation goes ahead and is greeted by far more people in the range of apathy to delight than the furious disgust you are predicting?

nilsoften · 02/03/2023 08:20

GloomyDarkness · 01/03/2023 14:46

I've not seen or heard anyone express any anger, disquiet or anything at all about Queen Camilla being called Queen Camilla anywhere except on MN. Not on any other social media, or traditional media or in real life.

This does match my experience.

My voices in my head tell me otherwise.😁

Plitvice · 02/03/2023 09:22

Camilla being called princess was all kinds of wrong 😀She is as far away as possible to what one would expect from a fairytale princess and very much the wicked stepmother.

As for anointing Camilla in oils, I am sure Charles has personally participated in many practice sessions over the years except the NOTW never got wind of it😊

BadgerB · 02/03/2023 12:36

Plitvice · Today 09:22
Camilla being called princess was all kinds of wrong 😀She is as far away as possible to what one would expect from a fairytale princess

Do you remember Princess Margaret in her final years? She was a million miles from looking (or behaving) like a "fairytale" princess. Yet she was a King's daughter & a Queen's sister. Or must a princess look like Diana, young and beautiful, to qualify.

Plitvice · 02/03/2023 12:50

Margaret didn't ever behave like one, I agree. However, she was a Princess born.

BadgerB · 02/03/2023 14:13

Plitvice · Today 12:50
Margaret didn't ever behave like one, I agree. However, she was a Princess born.
Diana wasn't, any more than Camilla is. If the Charles/Diana marriage had, against all the odds, been successful she would have been Queen Diana, the Queen consort. Just as Camilla is.

Novella4 · 02/03/2023 14:51

DappledThings · 02/03/2023 06:17

And where is 'here' exactly?
"Here" is Mumsnet. Usually when people write here on a forum they mean that forum.

And your obsession about this does make you stand out as in the minority.

How disappointed are you going to be when the coronation goes ahead and is greeted by far more people in the range of apathy to delight than the furious disgust you are predicting?

So where in the Venn diagram of royalists / Brexit types/ gammon would you put the daily Mail?
Fairly royalist wouldn't you agree?

Have a look at the thousands of comments under the article - THATS where the frothing is . It is not favourable at all to Camilla and the mail is where you'd expect to find royalists

I actually hope they go full mediaeval nonsense - I mean it's laughable to have Charles and Camilla anointed as head of then church . Utterly ludicrous
But I'm all for it .
Pile on the selfish nonsense, throw money at it

More people are waking up

Novella4 · 02/03/2023 15:08

@DappledThings

Oh and I don't think 'here ' does mean on 'mumsnet' .
If you think mumsnet has a majority in favour of the 'royals' you are very mistaken

Yes there are a few dedicated daily posters on these topics but when a thread makes it on to the main pages they are quickly outnumbered
Did you see the threads during mournathon?

In fact I've often seen royalists posters here quite put out that they can't have a nice echo chamber .

DappledThings · 02/03/2023 15:14

I'm not in favour of the royals either. If there was a referendum tomorrow I'd vote for abolishing.

But this thread has been about, again, people being shocked/appalled/horrified by the Queen being called the Queen and accusing the Royal family of lying etc.

All I've done is point out the ridiculous hyperbole of that.

Whether or not the majority of MN are royalists or not is immaterial. I maintain that the majority of the country do not care about whether the Queen is crowned or not or called Queen Camilla or not. Some will be wildly delighted, some will be apoplectic, most will be mostly apathetic. Like me!

And in the post quoted where the PP said "here" she was clearly referring to "here" meaning MN.

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