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Camilla will officially be known as the Queen

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AmandaJonah · 26/02/2023 16:51

She clearly is already the Queen. But officially after the Coronation she will be known as the Queen, not the Queen Consort.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:22

You OK, hun?

I suspect a splash more tonic might be needed there @IntentionalError

Onnabugeisha · 26/02/2023 20:22

Kranke · 26/02/2023 20:21

Also, where did he get ‘his own money’.

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The RF tends to marry other rich people. 🙄

Kranke · 26/02/2023 20:23

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:10

A child/children born from your mother's adulterous liaison will usually be raised alongside the children from the marriage. This can drastically change the dynamic of relationships within the family home. Any children born out of your father's adultery will usually be raised elsewhere by their mother and you may never even see them let alone know them.

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No I was talking about the ‘adultery’. You made it sound like it was worse for different sexes. As in the act of adultery, not the ramifications.

SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2023 20:24

I'm sure people think that consort denotes exactly that; when all it actually means is spouse.

Yes, good point. Consort simply means spouse and distinguishes between a queen regnant.

Kranke · 26/02/2023 20:24

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 19:59

I don’t think it matters whether you have offers (‘cracking’ or not!)

I think that poster wanted us to be impressed with her moral uprightness and how firm she is in the face of temptation.

😂 indeed!

Tuilpmouse · 26/02/2023 20:27

Coronateachingagain · 26/02/2023 18:59

She can call herself what she wants, she is the spouse of the monarch, not a "queen" however.

This monarchic system should change, it does not make sense in this day and age and they will need to evolve with times. We need to look past the title they give to themselves.

She is a Queen though, albeit a Queen Consort rather than a Queen Regnant. But everyone with a shred of U.K. constitutional knowledge knows that she's not the monarch despite being Queen. in the same way Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother), Queen Mary and all the wives of Kings have always been! THIS ISN'T NEW! Are people who don't get this always so one-dimensional in their thinking?!

Namechange828492 · 26/02/2023 20:28

Im fine with this but i do think she should be called "queen camilla" rather than "the queen". Main reason being i still think of elizabeth and dont think that will change over in my head for at least 20 years!

MarshaMelrose · 26/02/2023 20:29

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:13

I'm exhausted. It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

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😂😂😂 I've never heard that one before. 😂😂

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 26/02/2023 20:30

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:16

And that has now changed. She wants to be known as the queen. It doesn't change that she's the wife of the king, not monarch in her own right. 'The Queen' isn't a title reserved for the late queen, any more than Princess of Wales applied exclusively to Diana.

Bloody hell, what is so difficult here?

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I am well aware that wives of kings have historically been known as queen. My point - the only point I have made, is that it has not been officially announced. It has come from 'sources'. It is only a rumour at this stage.

Personally, I don't care what she is known as.

LightDrizzle · 26/02/2023 20:33

Dang! Diana was “young & beautiful”! Naturally that cancels out her shagging and stalking married men and parentifying her eldest son. Whereas Camilla, who has committed the triple crimes of not being young; not being beautiful; and not being dead, must be tarred and feathered in perpetuity. If Diana and Charles’s marriage had endured and she’d become Queen she’d also have sat on a gilt throne in a “blood diamond crown”. She’d have been 62 so no longer young and perhaps not beautiful. Life is very complicated isn’t it @Novella4?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:33

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 26/02/2023 20:30

I am well aware that wives of kings have historically been known as queen. My point - the only point I have made, is that it has not been officially announced. It has come from 'sources'. It is only a rumour at this stage.

Personally, I don't care what she is known as.

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Queen Camilla, the Queen Consort, the Queen - we all know who is meant. It doesn't have to be officially announced, we know who it means.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:34

LightDrizzle · 26/02/2023 20:33

Dang! Diana was “young & beautiful”! Naturally that cancels out her shagging and stalking married men and parentifying her eldest son. Whereas Camilla, who has committed the triple crimes of not being young; not being beautiful; and not being dead, must be tarred and feathered in perpetuity. If Diana and Charles’s marriage had endured and she’d become Queen she’d also have sat on a gilt throne in a “blood diamond crown”. She’d have been 62 so no longer young and perhaps not beautiful. Life is very complicated isn’t it @Novella4?

She'd also have been Queen Consort. 😅

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:35

Diana's adultery was reactive. I don't think she would have considered it if Charles had supported her emotionally. It came after many years of grieving Charles' lack of respect for her as a wife and the mental health problems she developed (and had anyway due to an unstable childhood). She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla.

LightDrizzle · 26/02/2023 20:37

– and referred to as Queen Diana, like all other Queen Consorts.

DappledThings · 26/02/2023 20:39

My point - the only point I have made, is that it has not been officially announced. It has come from 'sources'. It is only a rumour at this stage.
There's nothing to announce. The Queen is the Queen. Has been for 5 months now. How often " Consort" will be used or not will fluctuate according to the general style of various media outlets. But it isn't a change.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:42

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:35

Diana's adultery was reactive. I don't think she would have considered it if Charles had supported her emotionally. It came after many years of grieving Charles' lack of respect for her as a wife and the mental health problems she developed (and had anyway due to an unstable childhood). She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla.

THat well known stance. A man has an affair? that's because he's a bastard. You had an affair? that's because your husband is a bastard. Otherwise known as the Men Can't Win philosophy of marriage. So adultery is actually OK if the circumstances are right?

She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla

To the best of my knowledge, Camilla had one affair (with Charles). Diana, I can think of several off hand - if anyone was the cool, calm and collected pro adulterer it was her.

MarshaMelrose · 26/02/2023 20:44

And the inheritance tax?

It's only the wealth between monarchs that escapes tax. Anything they get from any other member of the family or friend, is taxed. When they die, anything they leave to anyone other than the next monarch is taxed (if applicable to the recipient). Why? Because if there were two or three deaths in near succession, a lot of their wealth would be wiped out. And, honestly, what's the point of a poor king! But more seriously, it's tied up with their rights to the crown estate and also the tax they pay. The whole system was renegotiated with the Inland Revenue in the 1990s. And it's to do with keeping them not reliant in the government of the day, ie, not in their pocket. I can't remember the ins and outs exactly but it's on the gov.co.uk website.

Also, where did he get ‘his own money’.

Their personal money comes from owning land.

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 26/02/2023 20:46

DorritLittle · 26/02/2023 17:00

Honestly - who cares either way? Probably not Camilla.

She will definitely care and has played the long game 💁🏻‍♀️

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 26/02/2023 20:47

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:33

Queen Camilla, the Queen Consort, the Queen - we all know who is meant. It doesn't have to be officially announced, we know who it means.

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The thread title is 'Camilla will officially be known as Queen' not 'People might start calling Camilla 'the Queen''. There has been no official announcement about how she will be known, since the one made by Elizabeth II.

To borrow your phrase - bloody hell, what is so difficult here?

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DappledThings · 26/02/2023 20:50

The thread title is 'Camilla will officially be known as Queen' not 'People might start calling Camilla 'the Queen''. There has been no official announcement about how she will be known, since the one made by Elizabeth II.

To borrow your phrase - bloody hell, what is so difficult here?
Because a Queen Consort is known as the Queen or Queen [NAME]. She can be known as both officially as all wives of Kings have been. There is nothing to announce! When it was announced she would be known as Queen Consort that was de facto also announcing she would be known as Queen Camilla. It's not a different status that is going to get a different message.

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:50

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/02/2023 20:42

THat well known stance. A man has an affair? that's because he's a bastard. You had an affair? that's because your husband is a bastard. Otherwise known as the Men Can't Win philosophy of marriage. So adultery is actually OK if the circumstances are right?

She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla

To the best of my knowledge, Camilla had one affair (with Charles). Diana, I can think of several off hand - if anyone was the cool, calm and collected pro adulterer it was her.

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No, not really. There is plentiful evidence to show that Diana was emotionally disregulated. She was not in control of her behaviour and hypersexuality was symptomatic of that. It was mentioned in one of the books that she was ultimately looking for love and attention and also trying to get back at Charles by trying to hurt him back in the same way (but it never worked).

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 26/02/2023 20:56

DappledThings · 26/02/2023 20:50

The thread title is 'Camilla will officially be known as Queen' not 'People might start calling Camilla 'the Queen''. There has been no official announcement about how she will be known, since the one made by Elizabeth II.

To borrow your phrase - bloody hell, what is so difficult here?
Because a Queen Consort is known as the Queen or Queen [NAME]. She can be known as both officially as all wives of Kings have been. There is nothing to announce! When it was announced she would be known as Queen Consort that was de facto also announcing she would be known as Queen Camilla. It's not a different status that is going to get a different message.

By that reasoning, the entire thread is redundant - and my point, that there has been no official announcement, is still perfectly valid.

MarshaMelrose · 26/02/2023 20:59

Plitvice · 26/02/2023 20:35

Diana's adultery was reactive. I don't think she would have considered it if Charles had supported her emotionally. It came after many years of grieving Charles' lack of respect for her as a wife and the mental health problems she developed (and had anyway due to an unstable childhood). She wasn't a cool, calm and collected pro adulterer like Camilla.

They were both miserable in the marriage. Charles said that he didn't start an actual physical affair with Camilla til 1986. The year Diana started having an affair with Hewitt. Although it's claimed she had an affair the year before with her bodyguard Barry Mannakee. So we don't know but we can be pretty sure neither had started a physical relationship before Harry was born in Sept 1984.

She was quite a cool character. She used to find out when Hasnet Kahn was operating, go to hospital and sit by the bedside of the recovering patient. Just so she could surprise Kahn when he came in to check how they were doing. So quite cool. Or psychotic. Difficult to tell. However, she did get good press as people reported her to be an angel for spending so much time with sick people. 🙄