Page 6 | Anti Charles protests on foodbank visit

OutofEverything · 2023-02-17T13:51:49+00:00

Protests greeted Charles latest visit to a foodbank at Milton Keynes. At least he wasn't egged this time.

MarshaMelrose · 18/02/2023 20:55

jeffgoldblum · 18/02/2023 20:11

@MarshaMelrose , I'm impressed and amazed at how you keep your head and never resort to nasty posts! , I've read your posts and agree the evidence is not conclusive at this time .
In my opinion obviously.

Aww, thank you. That's kind. I do edit my posts!! Haha.

jeffgoldblum · 18/02/2023 20:56

@MarshaMelrose 👍

Roussette · 18/02/2023 21:12

myrtleWilson · 18/02/2023 20:20

Hi @Roussette - I've been off these threads for a long time and frequently despair of the tone (on both sides!) But I am a believer that on occasion peace and harmony can break out and that there remains space or constructive disagreement - I once heard a speaker at a conference (an MP that I disagree on most things with) saying that the lack of constructive disagreement in parliament is to the detriment of us all - he likened it to positive abrasion that you get to create a diamond (obviously not one of dubious heritage!) And so with that in mind, I'll barge in say am not sure the last couple of lines in your post of 19:39 are entirely fair. - on other threads you've rightly praised him for the Prince's Trust initiative which (to me anyway) suggests he does have insight and a desire to create something that supports 'real people' to cope, to live and to thrive.

I'm not overly familiar with the Dumfries educational programme aside from what I've read on these threads (and even less familiar with the financial issues) but from the website it appears (others with better knowledge may disagree) that the craft element is just that - one element in a wider programme. The Masters programmes look interesting (although I wouldn't have chosen Bahrain as a partner for one of them - which obvs links into the financial shenanigans). Some of the programmes for younger people seem very of the moment - field to fork etc.

Putting aside the financial/relationship element for a moment (please don't think I'm downplaying this - am not at all but am focusing this point on his aim/aspiration rather than delivery) There is a growing desire to reflect individually and collectively on how we can change the way we live and be more conscious about the decisions we make (for example I've seen a big leap in people I follow on social media declaring 'no buy 2023 type initiatives') -so there is something he's tapping into. I also know that when you're struggling to put food on the table, the idea of trotting off to Scotland to make dresses spun from frozen dew found on moss at dawn is preposterous, and yet there is a dotted line too - the development and growth of the Men in Sheds movement links craft activity to supporting men with their mental health (the one where I work is amazing), similarly (and drawing upon my work) when we're looking at food poverty we're looking at a gamut of solutions (or emergency backstops) from food banks to food pantries to a renaissance in community led allotments. No, these activities won't be the single solution but can be part of a cross societal need/desire.

I guess am saying that no-one gets everything right and yet the general direction of his work in education seems sound. (I do of course agree that this is undermined by existence of shenanigans - hence I wanted to create space about aim - a different conversation to be had about delivery)

I take on board your post @myrtleWilson

I just think it must be a wonderful world to indulge in your favourite charities with no come back or accountancy...which is what Charles can do. I think at times his heart is in the right place, I'm just not sure he goes enough. But I accept your post

Coxspurplepippin · 18/02/2023 21:53

Of course!

He loved the idea. He loved he could make it happen no worries financially and it just looks good. Course it does. Crafts from decades ago and young people. Is it viable?'

Heaven forfend that young people (and young people from w/c backgrounds) should learn about crafts. Do you have any idea of the careers that exist in being able to do 'old' crafts. Just as an example, look at the skilled artisans who's expertise was sought after the Notre Dame fire.

These 'crafts' are often the domain of the wealthier types, but giving others the opportunity to learn, say, thatching, marquetry, french polishing, stained glass work, stonemasonry, dry stone walling etc might seem a waste of time to you, in this tik tok driven social media world, but there is a value there, and tbh, what could turn into a lucrative career.

BadgerB · 19/02/2023 07:26

ChungusBoi · Yesterday 16:56
Anyone with any decency would be ashamed that their subjects need food banks at all. They absolutely disgust me. Parasitic royals.

Surely its our elect government which should arouse your disgust? I can see no way the Royals can be blamed for this.

Nyasia · 19/02/2023 11:06

MarshaMelrose · 18/02/2023 15:00

Dumfries house is a fantastic project. It provides jobs for locals, but more importantly, it carries out a lot of trade training for youngsters, not just in general trades but often in areas of specialisation which will provide a good income and secure work in the future.. If you think it's just about saving a house, which I personally think is great too, you should read up on what goes on there.

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There was a fantastic programme on in December about Dumfries House, A Royal Grand Designs, I think? I had heard about it before, but never knew it’s an huge estate of over 2000 acres, which now employs over 300 local people. It’s part of a regeneration project for the area, and the addition of all the different trade training areas, plus the gardens, STEM centre and sports centre for local people were a brilliant idea.

CathyorClaire · 19/02/2023 12:00

I just think it must be a wonderful world to indulge in your favourite charities with no come back or accountancy...which is what Charles can do.

Quite.

It's not like he dipped his hand in his own pocket to buy it but nevertheless he now appears to have been awarded the credit for 'bringing together' the consortium that did.

www.nhmf.org.uk/news/dumfries-house-saved

Extraordinary considering a substantial (albeit inadequate) sum had already been raised and his involvement came at the last minute but there you go.

It's also worth noting charities supporting the teaching of traditional rural skills and crafts already exist but it must be much more exciting to step in with a grand gesture on your own behalf.

derxa · 19/02/2023 12:23

CathyorClaire · 19/02/2023 12:00

I just think it must be a wonderful world to indulge in your favourite charities with no come back or accountancy...which is what Charles can do.

Quite.

It's not like he dipped his hand in his own pocket to buy it but nevertheless he now appears to have been awarded the credit for 'bringing together' the consortium that did.

www.nhmf.org.uk/news/dumfries-house-saved

Extraordinary considering a substantial (albeit inadequate) sum had already been raised and his involvement came at the last minute but there you go.

It's also worth noting charities supporting the teaching of traditional rural skills and crafts already exist but it must be much more exciting to step in with a grand gesture on your own behalf.

You've never been there have you.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_D._Hartley This woman, the new US ambassador to the UK recalled on the Laura K show how she was invited to DH by Charles. She was hugely impressed by the initiatives. But what does she know

Monzeitia · 19/02/2023 12:25

Just some Sussex fans creating posts in The Royal family talk, making a mountain out of a molehill (I’m respect peaceful protests by the way as they have the right to be there if that’s what they believe) if they were such as anti-monarchy, they would have known that this was an arrange protest and less than 20 people show up

Novella4 · 19/02/2023 12:29

@Monzeitia
'Royal' family is a topic

It is not a fanzone for royalists

There is plenty to criticise. These threads only touch the surface
Get used to it .

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/02/2023 12:36

It's not like he dipped his hand in his own pocket to buy it but nevertheless he now appears to have been awarded the credit for 'bringing together' the consortium that did

Quite

He's not unique in this, but for me there's rather too much of the pettoish hand-waving and "We MUST do this", then taking the credit while relying on others to do the work

Novella4 · 19/02/2023 12:36

@Serenster

There was a typo in my post . It should be :

The file has NOW been passed to the CPS

So based on what you were saying .... there is a case to answer ??

Novella4 · 19/02/2023 12:37

Sorry I think Ive posted on the wrong thread

Novella4 · 19/02/2023 12:41

No I haven't posted on wrong thread .

Amusingly @Serenster didnt realise I had made a typo and that the case of donations re Dumfries House HAD been sent on the CPS.

My point was even though the case has been sent on the CPS
Chatles will no doubt remain 'confused ' and 'unaware' and someone else will take the blame .

Monzeitia · 19/02/2023 12:57

Absolutely, create any post you want about this topic but I also have the right to replay when the Sussex fans use the anti-monarchy subject to trash the royals, in this case, this post is even laughable, don’t worry I’m use too, I have even read about their American fans who previously didn’t even care about the royals, currently shouting “abolish the monarchy” like is something to do with them, I thought the fight a war to get rid of them

Serenster · 19/02/2023 13:01

Novella4 · 19/02/2023 12:36

@Serenster

There was a typo in my post . It should be :

The file has NOW been passed to the CPS

So based on what you were saying .... there is a case to answer ??

In the view of the investigation team, yes. Although cases of political interest will often be passed onto the CPS as it’s a way of delegating responsibility for making a decision!

The CPS then do a second assessment with the criteria whether there is a reasonable prospect of success for a prosecution. That will include how robust the investigation process has been (no pointing starting a prosecution on the basis of evidence that won’t be considered admissible!)

I don’t know why you think I’d have an interest here other than wanting due process to be applied and cases to be brought forward for prosecution if they meet the various tests?

Novella4 · 19/02/2023 13:09

There are lots of people in these threads who aren't in the UK!
I've exhausted myself in the past correcting posters about some point or other only to find out they are not UK citizens

That doesn't mean they can't be interested but it isn't as though they are directly affected !

Attitudes to Harry and Meghan are much more complex than you imply
Most anti monarchists lump them
in with the 'royals' and condemn them all
I am a republican and perhaps against my better judgment have been pulled into this personality debate . I suspect republicans are right not to get their hands dirty with personality debates but I do admire H and M.

Mainly I admire them for lifting the curtain on the 'royals' . And I have hopes for the much more explosive 400 pages yet to come

I can't stand W or K ( or WanK as Twitter calls them ) - mainly for their manipulation of the media ( or their acquiescence with media ) but I know secondhand of several journalists who can't wait for the stories on William to come out .
And they will .
I suspect the tide is already turning .

Monzeitia · 19/02/2023 13:46

Call them WanK is all what I need to know about your character, I don’t particularly like H and M but I wouldn’t call them such an offensive name, is funny that you talk about the manipulation of the media when that’s what H and M have been doing since they step down and what else more of “those explosive” 400 pages can do, more moaning about his privileged life, Harry’ popularity has plummeting in the US following the release of his book because no many people wants to hear how an angry millionaire white privileged man has it so hard with current cost of living

MarshaMelrose · 19/02/2023 14:02

Novella4 · 19/02/2023 12:36

@Serenster

There was a typo in my post . It should be :

The file has NOW been passed to the CPS

So based on what you were saying .... there is a case to answer ??

As I said in a previous post, the file got passed to the CPS on 31 October last year but the investigation is still ongoing. Because they've only been investigating it for a year. That's no time in Met policing terms.

CathyorClaire · 19/02/2023 20:15

This woman, the new US ambassador to the UK recalled on the Laura K show how she was invited to DH by Charles. She was hugely impressed by the initiatives. But what does she know

I don't doubt it.

Charles has always been adept at spending other people's money while not sparing expense.

CathyorClaire · 19/02/2023 20:23

Just some Sussex fans creating posts in The Royal family talk

Personally I don't draw any distinction between the entire grasping, venal lot of them.

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OutofEverything · 19/02/2023 20:34

Coxspurplepippin · 18/02/2023 21:53

Of course!

He loved the idea. He loved he could make it happen no worries financially and it just looks good. Course it does. Crafts from decades ago and young people. Is it viable?'

Heaven forfend that young people (and young people from w/c backgrounds) should learn about crafts. Do you have any idea of the careers that exist in being able to do 'old' crafts. Just as an example, look at the skilled artisans who's expertise was sought after the Notre Dame fire.

These 'crafts' are often the domain of the wealthier types, but giving others the opportunity to learn, say, thatching, marquetry, french polishing, stained glass work, stonemasonry, dry stone walling etc might seem a waste of time to you, in this tik tok driven social media world, but there is a value there, and tbh, what could turn into a lucrative career.

Thatching and dry stone walling is a lucrative career. There are though plenty of dry stone walling courses around already. There is a shortage of thatchers.
Some crafts are dying out though like french polishing. I know someone who is trained in this but he does mainly skilled carpentry as there is very little call for french polishing. Tastes move on.

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OutofEverything · 19/02/2023 20:35

We are allowed to criticise the Royal Family, whether you like it or not.

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CathyorClaire · 19/02/2023 20:46

no many people wants to hear how an angry millionaire white privileged man has it so hard with current cost of living

But he is saving his many, many millions for his kids. Or at least one of them. What else is an angry but entitled millionaire to do? 😏

derxa · 19/02/2023 20:53

OutofEverything · 19/02/2023 20:34

Thatching and dry stone walling is a lucrative career. There are though plenty of dry stone walling courses around already. There is a shortage of thatchers.
Some crafts are dying out though like french polishing. I know someone who is trained in this but he does mainly skilled carpentry as there is very little call for french polishing. Tastes move on.

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What are you going on about. Dumfries House's main focus is not dying arts. It's farming, horticulture, rural life and catering.