Anti Charles protests on foodbank visit

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Protests greeted Charles latest visit to a foodbank at Milton Keynes. At least he wasn't egged this time.

@Serenster Nobody knows if Cliff Richard is guilty or innocent of anything. But I doubt there are FBI files stating he is a known paedophile unlike Mountbatten.

You would be truly horrified to learn about how many criminal investigation files never get passed to the CPS, I imagine!

The first hurdle is whether or not there is even a case to answer. Amazingly (I know, it’s incredible!) not everyone the piece investigate turns out to have done anything illegal, not every allegation turns out to be accurate.

(Again, important safeguards for us all, but I know, who cares when you dislike someone and just want them to be guilty, and fairness and due process should be thrown out of the window…)

You can’t get a search warrant without enough evidence to convince a court that the search is justified. And the police even tipped off the BBC to get maximum coverage of their search too.

Cliff Richard sued the BBC and won.
But you are right enough evidence was presented to the court to obtain a search warrant for Cliff Richard's home.

Based on the word of one society gossip.

(Funnily enough, the evidence clearly wasn’t accurate)

@Serenster For cases to progress to court there has to be enough evidence. A lack of evidence does not mean someone is innocent or guilty, simply that there is a lack of evidence to progress to court.
Some people made complaints to the police about Jimmy Saville that were dropped because of a lack of evidence. That does not mean he was innocent.

Are you talking about Mountbatten here? I posted upthread lots of evidence that he was a paedophile.
With Cliff Richard as part of Operation Yewtree police there were allegations of a sexual offence involving an underage boy in the 1980s.

How many warrants were obtained on the word of the "credible and true" Carl Beech? It's not like they had any other evidence because we now know it was a pack of lies.

But I doubt there are FBI files stating he is a known paedophile unlike Mountbatten.

Yes, Mountbatten. The FBI files never said he was a paedophile. There was no evidence just the gossip and opinion of Elizabeth Beresford

A lack of evidence doesn’t mean the person is guilty though, either! It shouldn’t need saying, but clearly not everyone is Jimmy Saville.

I agree a lack of evidence does not mean someone is guilty or innocent. It simply means there is a lack of evidence.
Personally I think the evidence points clearly to Mountbatten being a paedophile. And Andrew's clear lying in his TV interview I think clearly means he is lying to cover up things he is guilty of.
Mountbatten never appeared in court and I strongly doubt Andrew ever will.

Lol

Ridiculous!

What isn't true about that?

He was PROTECTED that's what.

Charles adored him. There is no way he would be exposed for what he did

Not in the FBI files in 1944. I'm not sure Philip and TQ had even started dating. Why would the Americans protect LM in secret files?

The RF were protected. We know that

@MarshaMelrose Your constant minimising is really disturbing. I posted what is in the FBI files and it is far more than that.

Obviously you never came across the rumours that Prince George, Duke of Kent’s death in a plane crash in WWII wasn’t an accident, given his promiscuity and drug habits…

That Guardian article is all about Ruben Vardanyan

It isn't.

Among others it includes the ever-so-obliging Fawcett the Fence
who has fallen on his sword no less than three times while Charles wrings his hands over wrong-doings he as ever knows nothing about.

As Puzzled says, the work for the community at Dumfries undoubtedly has value but the fact remains Charles bought it with huge and subsequently nearly unpayable loans secured on questionable assets just because which absolutely makes it a vanity project.

Three different sources of evidence that Mountbatten was a paedophile.

the work for the community at Dumfries undoubtedly has value but the fact remains Charles bought it with huge and subsequently nearly unpayable loans secured on questionable assets just because which absolutely makes it a vanity project

Of course!
He loved the idea. He loved he could make it happen no worries financially and it just looks good. Course it does. Crafts from decades ago and young people. Is it viable?

He has his head in the clouds and no idea how real people cope. Or live.

It isn't more than that.

This is what's in the file:

The file reads: "She states that in these circles Lord Louis Mountbatten and his wife are considered persons of extremely low morals.
"She stated that Lord Louis Mountbatten was known to be a homosexual with a perversion for young boys.
"In Lady Decies' opinion he is an unfit man to direct any sort of military operations because of this condition. She stated further that his wife Lady Mountbatten was considered equally erratic.'

The rest, Norman Nield and Anthony Daly is from Lownies book.
Lownie never spoke to Nield. He took parts from an article in a NZ paper/magazine(?) called Truth.
Anthony Daly knew nothing first hand. He just repeated gossip he'd been told.

@MarshaMelrose , I'm impressed and amazed at how you keep your head and never resort to nasty posts! , I've read your posts and agree the evidence is not conclusive at this time .
In my opinion obviously.

Hi @Roussette - I've been off these threads for a long time and frequently despair of the tone (on both sides!) But I am a believer that on occasion peace and harmony can break out and that there remains space or constructive disagreement - I once heard a speaker at a conference (an MP that I disagree on most things with) saying that the lack of constructive disagreement in parliament is to the detriment of us all - he likened it to positive abrasion that you get to create a diamond (obviously not one of dubious heritage!) And so with that in mind, I'll barge in say am not sure the last couple of lines in your post of 19:39 are entirely fair. - on other threads you've rightly praised him for the Prince's Trust initiative which (to me anyway) suggests he does have insight and a desire to create something that supports 'real people' to cope, to live and to thrive.

I'm not overly familiar with the Dumfries educational programme aside from what I've read on these threads (and even less familiar with the financial issues) but from the website it appears (others with better knowledge may disagree) that the craft element is just that - one element in a wider programme. The Masters programmes look interesting (although I wouldn't have chosen Bahrain as a partner for one of them - which obvs links into the financial shenanigans). Some of the programmes for younger people seem very of the moment - field to fork etc.

Putting aside the financial/relationship element for a moment (please don't think I'm downplaying this - am not at all but am focusing this point on his aim/aspiration rather than delivery) There is a growing desire to reflect individually and collectively on how we can change the way we live and be more conscious about the decisions we make (for example I've seen a big leap in people I follow on social media declaring 'no buy 2023 type initiatives') -so there is something he's tapping into. I also know that when you're struggling to put food on the table, the idea of trotting off to Scotland to make dresses spun from frozen dew found on moss at dawn is preposterous, and yet there is a dotted line too - the development and growth of the Men in Sheds movement links craft activity to supporting men with their mental health (the one where I work is amazing), similarly (and drawing upon my work) when we're looking at food poverty we're looking at a gamut of solutions (or emergency backstops) from food banks to food pantries to a renaissance in community led allotments. No, these activities won't be the single solution but can be part of a cross societal need/desire.

I guess am saying that no-one gets everything right and yet the general direction of his work in education seems sound. (I do of course agree that this is undermined by existence of shenanigans - hence I wanted to create space about aim - a different conversation to be had about delivery)