"Kate's Rebranding Masterclass May Finally See off Meghan"

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

"Five months since she moved up to the second tier of the monarchy, the Princess has started beefing up her top team to make sure she succeeds not only with her “life’s work” on child development, but also with the task of besting Meghan Markle."

Why does Meghan have to look bad for Kate to look good? Why does Meghan need to be bested or seen off? Why is it a competition?

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It's odd, Mumsnet being overall a more left leaning site, that there does seem to be quite a bit of support for maintaining the monarchy. Perhaps the monarchy is viewed in a more positive way generally than you hope think.

I suspect after Trump, Boris and Brexit no-one can be arsed with the upheaval any replacement would bring - plus we occasionally get unexpected bank holidays and flag waving events many enjoy.

'Yes, people do post shit about Harry & Meghan.'

They do and about many other people some of whom haven't put themselves in the spot light like these two but got thrust there by events and other people's actions.

Media coverage is frequently a mixed thing good and bad and usually out of person's control - this couple have the wealth and post RF the freedom to protect themselves more than most and with books and interviews have put a lot of information out there which people are commenting and forming opinions about - you can't really control how people react positively or negatively.

its annoying that posters are now using Harrys book as a reason its fine to be vile about Meghan, the book only came out last month. so whats the excuse for before? and why call them the markles?? shall we call W&K the middletons?

No, not acceptable. And not the same, not from me anyway. I criticise the institution, yes. But I would not say the most revolting names and slurs and personal disgusting insults about any member of the RF.

Maybe not you, but you presumably acknowledge that plenty of other posters criticise those in the royal family all the time on this board - personal, nasty comments, with names and slurs - because of the roles those people have within the institution.

I have never understood why people claim that the criticism is unacceptable for Meghan joining the royal family, but at the same time absolutely fine for everyone else who had previously joined or had the misfortune to be born into it.

Hahaha yes! What's the excuse back in 2017?

No one can dismiss it. It's here on MN.

Shall we call W&K the middletons?

You already do, or had you forgotten?

Camilla Tominey broke the story about H and M dating, complete with pics of Meghan in skimpy outfits from different acting roles.

Mumsnet threads were hostile from Day One.

The Daily Mail and other tabloid below the line comments were hostile from Day 1. The engagement story on the DM has about 11 000 comments, many disparaging.

The online hostility was ALWAYS THERE and ramped up in 2018 during her pregnancy, fuelled by conspiracy theories that she was not pregnant and by the Meghan made Kate Cry story which was broken by, surprise, surprise, Camilla Tominey.

I agree with last part. The content / books are created for people to talk about it - it’s not always going to be positive.

Especially given the topic, it’s using the lives of other people and an institution, some will enjoy that part but not all will think favourably

What can you do. Other than try to create something or live in a way not using those things

What's the excuse back in 2017?

She was marrying the Queen’s grandson annd Prince of Wales’ son and so voluntarily joining the vile family of grifters and scrounges, according to many who explain their posts today about the rest of the royal family on this basis.

Mumsnet threads were hostile from Day One.

Yep. There were nice comments in those early threads but there were some truly awful ones from posters who never gave her a chance and are probably now saying they liked her and were excited about her marrying Harry... until she did the OW interview. Bollocks !

and got told off. I only did it as a laugh as so many people call H&M markles.
but glad you remembered me.

I don't understand.

Making horrible personal comments about Meghan's face, hair, feet, shoes, clothes and body from day one is nothing to do with that.

ok, her staff would need to cover the Harrods label😂),

Oh why? I'm sure some of the Windsor residents going through difficult times would love to taste a Harrod's or Fortnum and Mason miniature tin of biscuits.

its annoying that posters are now using Harrys book as a reason its fine to be vile about Meghan, the book only came out last month

It confirmed my suspicions that one of Meghan's biggest problems was actually Harry.

His book has once again out the spot light on them - more him - but also her and events surrounding her - they must have expected that TBH.

I suspect good or bad they want it talked about so they sell more books make more money and their TV rating goes up and more people "hear" their side of things.

I personally don't feel I have attacked Meghan but I have to say some poster who claim to be defending H and M - I have serious doubts about because their posts seem to diminish what H &M have done and associate them with petty attacks and disputes even more - I can't work out if they are republicans using them to attack RF or something else is going on.

Because they behave like the Markles. Gossiping to the media and oversharing. other people's private info. Apples and trees.

Why do we have this crap that they was shit from day 1. They all got it in thr rf, look at fergie and camilla! But we know this, it has been said sooooo many times, but petulant Harold has such a massive chip on his delicate shoulder he was triggered and used the whole debacle to air his lifetime of gripes.

They look like fools. I don't think even Winfry wants to know now.

Well, just for comparison purposes, I went back and looked at the threads from when William and Kate’s engagement was announced. Here’s a small sample of the comments made about her - with the disclaimer that there were an awful lot of deleted posts on the threads, with posters scolding the posters of those deleted posts for being bitchy. So I have little doubt that Kate’s face, hair, feet, shoes, clothes and body were being criticised in those posts too, in addition to the comments below that weren’t deleted.

If these comments weren’t because both women were arraying a senior royal, and so becoming fair game for swipes because of that role, why were they ade in Kate’s case too?

Very Pushy Parenting went on there. (didn't she only go to St Andrews becauseWilliam was going?

Bet her mother is a 'mare.

Nouveau. I bet when she was a child there was a lounge and a toilet in her house.

I think she's got awful teeth....very overcrowded

I think this is the end of the monarchy. First Prussians, then a Greek now a girl from a miners family.

I did have admiration for the hard working family and the grandmother's mining roots. It sounds so humble, resilient and honest but a cursory glance at Uncle Gary and the murky world of coke dealing, pimping and his so called enjoyment of watching hard-core porn on his large screen tv at the £5m Maison Bang Bang in Ibiza, can't help but make me wonder how far the apple falls from the tree where the Goldsmith side of family is concerned.

She hung around for 8 years doing nothing useful with her life apart from waiting for some fecking man to pop the questiong. what a loser

She's dull, she's never had a job despite being nearly 30 (unless a couple of months at Jigsaw doing bugger all counts), she just hangs around, wears bad clothes and does nothing.

Forget what she's been doing. I was more shocked at the total lack of chemistry last night - they both looked really depressed at the idea of getting married, and she just looked relieved to have finally got the rock.

Had I been so insecure in myself, so lacking in ambition, and so desperate to marry as her I would have done the same. How awful.

What is it with the royals and their lust for horse-faced women?

She is dull, dull, dull. Guess Wills thinks if she'll hang around for EIGHT years then she won't be a stroppy cow or an inconvenience in the future

Dull, frumpy Kate Middleton done nothing, is nothing!

Hope the pair of them die in an earthquake.

Well done you Serenster

Were the volume of threads and posts the same?

Nope.

FWIW I think those posts you copied and pasted are horrible. I have no idea why women are so horrible about other women.

I could do the same exercise with Meghan, but it will take me too long.

@Serenster

That’s really useful, but also depressing isn’t it.

It's not the republicans who were most vile towards her. It's the same 'royalists' who are still criticising her now. Don't try to pretend otherwise.

I put 'royalists' in quotation marks, because real royalists accept her as H's choice. Like this man giving HMQE flowers to give to MM because he missed her.

I have pointed out before that there’s a curious trajectory in Meghan and Harry’s case, actually.

Many of the royalists who were delighted to see Meghan and Harry engaged and marry have now come to dislike them after seeing who they really are behind the carefully curated public images. And many of the anti-monarchists who disliked Meghan on principal given who she was choosing to marry now think she and Harry are great because they think they are weakening the institution they dislike so much. It’s fascinating! 😀

@Serenster
While you quotes are quite bad. They sound decidedly tame compered to what posters have been saying about H&M of late.

As I pointed out though, there are a lot of deletions. Who knows how bad the comments that were deleted were?

As I say, proper, real royalists accept her as the chosen wife of H. There is a 'certain' demographic, however, who pretend they are royalist - a lot of them here on MN, I don't really think they are 'royalists' tbh. They are something else.

(And, totally personal opinion here, but Kate and William got engaged and married before Twitter really took off in 2013 or thereabouts. I do think the hostility and aggression that is so prevalent on twitter has spilled over into other forms of online discussions, and so posters have become less filtered and more abusive generally in the last 5-10 years - on Mumsnet as well).

Exactly @Serenster. Members of the rf get wide spread unpleasant criticism. Except Harry decided it's different for him and acts like a petulant idiot thus making him more and more unpopular.

I wonder if he's proud of his horrible book and all his inappropriate comments?

hostility and aggression that is so prevalent on twitter has spilled over into other forms of online discussions, and so posters have become less filtered and more abusive generally in the last 5-10 years - on Mumsnet as well

Interesting. I hadn't thought of this, but it may explain a lot. My perception is that MN has become a more hostile environment overall than when I first joined in 2011, so much so that I de-registered once a couple of years ago and then re-joined. It's not just on RF threads, but often directed at posters who are asking for advice.