Page 11 | Harry and Meghan and the coronation.

purpledalmation · 2023-02-06T20:14:13+00:00

If King Charles asked people not to boo the couple and did a deal with newspapers and TV to not print pictures of them or comment on their appearance, do you think they would come. If there was a total news blackout where they were concerned (which I would just love!) so we didn't have to even see them, (apart from a passing glimpse), i think I could bear them coming. Daddy clearly want them there. Fatted calf and all that. Would this get around the problem of them taking the spotlight away from the actual ceremony?

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 17:49

Roussette · 07/02/2023 08:43

Hi Lizzie... yes, that's an option. He did come on his own to PP's funeral, I think Meghan had just had their little girl so understandable.

They kept their heads down at the Queen's funeral and there was still criticism. But if Harry came on his own and if the toxic media just let him be there in peace, it could be the best way. However, it will probably generate loads of articles whatever he does. They can't do right for doing wrong.

@Roussette I don’t follow royal news so closely, what criticism did Harry and Meghan face during the Queen’s funeral? I vaguely remember that there was some kind of kerfuffle about Phillip’s funeral with Harry and William not standing together or something but that was easily understood as the eldest grandson, Peter, being placed in the middle. I can’t remember much beyond that.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 17:54

Blip · 07/02/2023 08:54

If Charles invites them and they come, I'm pretty sure they will need to manage them out of any scenes with the public as they will be booed.

It will be best for the monarchy if they stay away, but KC seems both weak and desperate to me and will do almost anything to get his son back. Being real though, NOTHING will ever be enough for Harry to reunite with his dad other than acceding to his every request, something that a King cannot do.

I think Charles should abdicate as he doesn't have the strength or stomach for the job.

@Blip How does that make Charles weak? He might have some failings as a parent, but he seems to dote on his grandchildren and also clumsily has affection for his sons. Also, how do you know nothing will be enough for Harry? Maybe they will be able to reach compromise? I don’t recall reading on here about Harry and Meghan being booed in the past. That sounds awful. I don’t see why there would be booing at a royal coronation, royalist or not, it’s been a long while since we’ve had a coronation so I’m sure many will be naturally curious.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 18:04

Bugeyedowl · 07/02/2023 12:29

I want them to stay away as well, mostly for their own mental health, I don't think they would be protected by the RF if they came. The media are diabolical and would slaughter them gleefully - look at the ridiculous articles asking where Meghan is. They can't wait to tear her apart.

I wonder about the long-term effects of being constantly visciously criticised, especially on Meghan. I hope for their own sakes they stay away and have a lovely birthday party for Archie, who deserves it.

King Charles can bog off a cliff in his stupid golden carriage.

@Bugeyedowl What do you mean that they won’t be protected by the royal family? I don’t think they can control the press surely? Perhaps agreements could be made, but the press are free to report what they like short of it being slanderous and then they could possibly sued for defamation etc. Harry and Meghan probably have their own set of advisors so I’m sure they will be fine.

skullbabe · 14/02/2023 18:19

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 17:54

@Blip How does that make Charles weak? He might have some failings as a parent, but he seems to dote on his grandchildren and also clumsily has affection for his sons. Also, how do you know nothing will be enough for Harry? Maybe they will be able to reach compromise? I don’t recall reading on here about Harry and Meghan being booed in the past. That sounds awful. I don’t see why there would be booing at a royal coronation, royalist or not, it’s been a long while since we’ve had a coronation so I’m sure many will be naturally curious.

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There was some booing - not a lot but it was there. To be honest Boris and Carrie got louder boos but they still got some nonetheless.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 18:26

Roussette · 07/02/2023 17:08

^^ This
@Bugeyedowl
We have to understand what 'privacy' means.
If i burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

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But isn’t already what the royal family are doing? The children are shown during public occasions but not constantly behind the scenes?

And I thought that was why Kate was being praised in the past as she was taking pictures of her children of significant milestones and sharing those instead of allowing press to follow her children everywhere? So she essentially was allowing some access in exchange for privacy? I was assuming that’s exactly what other members of royal family were also doing - not allowed unfettered access as they saw intrusions in the past and what it lead to?

I thought most public figures have some kind of privacy agreement unless of course reality TV stars then they might have a different sort of agreement.

Even before Harry and Meghan were private citizens, they chosen when to share pictures of their son etc. and certain events were not publicised. So I’m not sure what the big deal is?

milti · 14/02/2023 18:38

Is anyone even interested in their children - I lost interest a long time ago - when they started playing silly beggars lying about the birth of the first one

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 18:39

MrsGhandi · 07/02/2023 17:18

I thought well of Charles initially in the aftermath of the Queen's death but sadly as time goes on he seems to have gone back to the selfish insular twat that he was for most of his life. To invite H and M would be his biggest disservice to William and Kate. He would not be taking their feelings into account for this at all. It says to me that it is all about HIM - Charles - as opposed to the title and the country. I feel this shows how weak he is and not like his mother in any way.

Charles wanting his sons to be there and the importance of his children being present for what seems to be a significant event even in British history, is not a disservice to Kate and William. All families have ups and downs.

Granted, most of us may not have family members airing out the dirty laundry in public or going so far as publishing a memoirs, if Charles and his family members want to bury the hatchet then surely that’s a good thing? Why are so many posters up in arms of Charles wants to forgive Harry and Meghan? If anything it would make my estimation of Charles increase. I thought it was lovely how he was with Meghan at her wedding.

It’s not a sign of weakness to show restraint and forgiveness. It’s a sign of strength and love. My only concerns would be that if everything is constantly being fed to the press via friends or go-betweens, it would just create more animosity between different members of the royal family. I’m not just referring to Harry and Meghan but possibly other members of the royal household. Not to mention, the worry of the likelihood of reprisals if Harry actually used such a gross phrase as “chess pieces” to refer to his supposed military actions which would make security costs increase a lot more than was perhaps anticipated.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2023 18:40

I thought that was why Kate was being praised in the past as she was taking pictures of her children of significant milestones and sharing those instead of allowing press to follow her children everywhere?

I'm not sure that Kate issuing her own pictures of the kids would stop the press following if that's what they wanted to do, but thankfully it just doesn't happen any more in the way we saw in the Diana days

I sometimes wonder how the big-name portrait photogs feel about no longer getting the commissions though - they must be spitting

milti · 14/02/2023 18:41

I don’t think Charles does want him there - lesser of two evils

ArcaneWireless · 14/02/2023 18:42

@EnterChasedByAMemory

A thoughtful post.

Bugeyedowl · 14/02/2023 18:47

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 18:04

@Bugeyedowl What do you mean that they won’t be protected by the royal family? I don’t think they can control the press surely? Perhaps agreements could be made, but the press are free to report what they like short of it being slanderous and then they could possibly sued for defamation etc. Harry and Meghan probably have their own set of advisors so I’m sure they will be fine.

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I mean in terms of both the press and security. Charles removed their security when they went to Canada leaving them completely vulnerable, considering who they are and that Harry's his own child. Who's to say they won't provide security for them when they come to London? People seem to lose their minds around H&M, someone could lob something at them from the crowds.

The press of course will have a field day and make up all sorts of rubbish (attacking Meghan mostly), and the Palace may even stir the pot by leaking some details. I just think they'd be vulnerable if they come.

notanotheroneagain · 14/02/2023 18:52

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 17:49

@Roussette I don’t follow royal news so closely, what criticism did Harry and Meghan face during the Queen’s funeral? I vaguely remember that there was some kind of kerfuffle about Phillip’s funeral with Harry and William not standing together or something but that was easily understood as the eldest grandson, Peter, being placed in the middle. I can’t remember much beyond that.

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H&M were criticised for .................(check notes)...............holding hands !

Yep that's it. They were holding hands.

(I must tell you they were not the only ones, mind.)

wordler · 14/02/2023 18:57

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2023 18:40

I thought that was why Kate was being praised in the past as she was taking pictures of her children of significant milestones and sharing those instead of allowing press to follow her children everywhere?

I'm not sure that Kate issuing her own pictures of the kids would stop the press following if that's what they wanted to do, but thankfully it just doesn't happen any more in the way we saw in the Diana days

I sometimes wonder how the big-name portrait photogs feel about no longer getting the commissions though - they must be spitting

There was some grumbling from the press photographers at the beginning about how the pictures were fine but still very much an amateur photographer. I actually think her Dad took the first official pic of the three of them when George was born.

They do get professional Mark Porteous to take portraits on some special occasions - which is interesting as his main photography passion and business seems to be underwater and ocean photography.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2023 19:04

I actually think her Dad took the first official pic of the three of them when George was born

You're right, wordler, I'd forgotten that ... interesting that they're still using Mark Porteous though (even without aqualungs in situ )

Bugeyedowl · 14/02/2023 19:17

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 18:26

But isn’t already what the royal family are doing? The children are shown during public occasions but not constantly behind the scenes?

And I thought that was why Kate was being praised in the past as she was taking pictures of her children of significant milestones and sharing those instead of allowing press to follow her children everywhere? So she essentially was allowing some access in exchange for privacy? I was assuming that’s exactly what other members of royal family were also doing - not allowed unfettered access as they saw intrusions in the past and what it lead to?

I thought most public figures have some kind of privacy agreement unless of course reality TV stars then they might have a different sort of agreement.

Even before Harry and Meghan were private citizens, they chosen when to share pictures of their son etc. and certain events were not publicised. So I’m not sure what the big deal is?

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Quite. The RF do do that, and get praised when sharing the odd pic. Yet Harry and Meghan have been slated for doing the same.

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 19:21

HeddaGarbled · 08/02/2023 00:20

The problem with Twitter is it becomes your own personal echo chamber. You follow a few people who do or don’t like the Sussexes and then that’s all you ever see. It is good for us to read from a range of sources, even those whose political/social stance is different from our own, because that way we can’t delude ourselves that our opinion is predominant.

That’s a really good point. I like that there are different discussions on here, it helps to see things from different view points. I can’t always say the same thing for other social media platforms.

notanotheroneagain · 14/02/2023 19:31

But isn’t already what the royal family are doing? The children are shown during public occasions but not constantly behind the scenes?

You sure this was not some kind of 'invisible proverbial gun on the head?'. You also enquired about the rf controlling the media? I would say it's some kind of tail wagging the dog - invisible contract.

Who on earth gives the Fail annual pics for their dc for some kind of calendar anyway.

As for 'gross' phrases of chess pieces. Well you are well aware he says he could not kill real humans and had to 'dehumanise' the enemy, otherwise he would not be able to get the job done.

Blip · 14/02/2023 19:36

Are Harry and Meghans private jet flights funded by charities/the RF/friends/themselves I wonder

notanotheroneagain · 14/02/2023 19:38

EnterChasedByAMemory · 14/02/2023 19:21

That’s a really good point. I like that there are different discussions on here, it helps to see things from different view points. I can’t always say the same thing for other social media platforms.

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Twitter is no echo chamber for me.

For some reason, all sorts are thrown my may. Can't tell you how many I had to block and say 'not interested' etc.

Ironically, they helped me come across H&M supporters who have viable screenshots for me to save. The other way around are full of crap. So I block. Been and alway will be open minded about things.

But I do get all sorts of things I'm not interested in, some maga and all sorts comes my way.

notanotheroneagain · 14/02/2023 19:39

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purpledalmation · 14/02/2023 20:00

Bugeyedowl · 14/02/2023 18:47

I mean in terms of both the press and security. Charles removed their security when they went to Canada leaving them completely vulnerable, considering who they are and that Harry's his own child. Who's to say they won't provide security for them when they come to London? People seem to lose their minds around H&M, someone could lob something at them from the crowds.

The press of course will have a field day and make up all sorts of rubbish (attacking Meghan mostly), and the Palace may even stir the pot by leaking some details. I just think they'd be vulnerable if they come.

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totally agree. zero interest in their children. Happy to see the little wales's children, but not over interested.

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purpledalmation · 14/02/2023 20:05

purpledalmation · 14/02/2023 20:00

totally agree. zero interest in their children. Happy to see the little wales's children, but not over interested.

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Bit of a mix up there but heyho

I wanted to say, please check your facts re security in Cananda. The provincial chief of police has publicly said they were given security.
It was obvious it couldnt continue so maybe thats why they went to america. H&M wanted their cake and eat it. you cant not be a working royal and have paid security. someone has to pick up the tab be it the american/canadian/british taxpayer. And why would we do that when we get nothing back. I could just as easily ask for funded security but zero chance of getting it. H&M are just normal citizens which is what they wanted to be.

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purpledalmation · 14/02/2023 20:07

Blip · 14/02/2023 19:36

Are Harry and Meghans private jet flights funded by charities/the RF/friends/themselves I wonder

looks like its mostly friends. elton john, the man whose home they stayed in in monticito. Not the RF for sure or the taxpayers, and as one of those minions, thats all i care about

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purpledalmation · 14/02/2023 20:10

@Bugeyedowl Harry and meghan only share pics of their children for hard cash. Netflix saw plenty of pics. This is the same for all celebrities, big splashy exclusive photoshoots for which they get megabucks. They are relying on the kids being formally called prince and princess because that ups the money by 100%. Just you wait and see.

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namechanged221 · 14/02/2023 20:10

Some people are just going to hate H&M whatever they do.

I don't understand why? I can't work out what it is they did that was so wrong...