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The "Where's Meghan" Question Has Been Definitively Answered ...

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 30/01/2023 11:50

She's been busy!

I hope that those who expressed concern will be happy to know that she has been working with the Archewell team on their just released Impact Report.

Meghan and Harry are polarising figures but there is no doubt that they have galvanising power to get projects, both little and big, off the ground.

Harry, with William and Kate, was a co-founder of the Royal Foundation in 2011. They had a start-up fund of just under 5 million pounds, of which 1.3 million pounds was given away in grants.

10 yrs later, Harry and Meghan set up Archewell, with start up funds of 13 million dollars, and give away three million dollars in grants.

As with both foundations, the reserve is carried over.

The range of their projects is interesting, from working with the Vaccine Alliance to raise private sector contributions to distribute vaccines, endowing academic fellowships, working with partners in resettling refugees from Ukraine and Afghanistan, working with World Central Kitchens, to smaller projects like the Uvalde community playground and park and a really cute project to a small charity that gives free hair braiding to young black girls in Texas.

archewell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/The-Archewell-Foundation-Impact-Report-2020-2022.pdf

I am so pleased for them, their advisors and staff as this is a dream start for any start up. I have long been sceptical that they may have spread themselves too thinly, so I am glad to see they are now focusing on just three areas, as they find their groove.

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Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 11:33

I don’t search all your posts, I’ve far better things to do, but when you make your pronouncements I’ve just taken a picture , it’s useful especially when you deny making them, even when presented with the evidence. The delusion is positively Trumpian

Roundlampshade · 02/02/2023 11:38

Do you know, I think some posters want these threads deleted.

Roussette · 02/02/2023 11:47

Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 11:33

I don’t search all your posts, I’ve far better things to do, but when you make your pronouncements I’ve just taken a picture , it’s useful especially when you deny making them, even when presented with the evidence. The delusion is positively Trumpian

The only time I search a poster is when I have been subjected to some sort of insult and I find that it is a 'first' post i.e. a NCer who has deliberately come on to have a poke at me. Who then disappears.

You are sounding very odd searching all my posts to score a point but well done you for catching me out even though I use the word 'allegedly' repeatedly.

Now perhaps scrutinise some other posters for a change? You are sounding a tad obsessed with me

GloomyDarkness · 02/02/2023 11:53

Last book before spare I said on a thread that I thought some of Meghan's issues were cultural and a lot Harry - something I think Spare confirmed.

I got torn to shreds and yes I found some of those posters following me to other threads in different subject areas and pulling apart what I said however innocuous. I named changed which I do fairly regularly and it stopped.

There is also a lot of Meghan hate on-line.

Thing is though the SussexSquad is equally baffling - this is rich privilege couple who should have access to decent PR people why do they need Joe Bloggs to defend them- the whole arse licking tone of tone of this thread is odd - and yes there does start to feel like parallels with Trump fan base.

Some of the very pro Meghan and Harry posts do seem US based there is a lack of cultural and historical knowledge - even basic stuff like primogeniture inheritance most UK people pick up even as it's not really practiced by most of the UK population it's just cultural background noise which doesn't usually need explaining.

Upshot is RF is an odd institution and most of time UK population is indifferent to vaguely positive about them - RF court popularity to justify their continued existence or very least to stop rise of popular political movement to republicanism and having lost previous much loved leader are more vulnerable than they've been in decades.

Harry and Meghan's level of fame is only due to their association with the RF - which they have repeatedly attacked which hasn't gone down well they need big undeniably positive PR win- this so far isn't it.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/02/2023 11:56

Neowulf · 02/02/2023 10:15

All that happened years ago did it? So that we can’t verify it? Funny that. I’ve lurked for a while, never saw any of it. If I was very cynical I’d be tempted to think that was exaggerated and made-up and dated in that way to make people think it happened before they joined and to then take your word for it. But as someone who has experienced the exact opposite, sorry I just don’t buy it. Someone called me pathetic etc. then flounced like they were the butt-hurt victim, just cos I made critical comments about bullying, Harry’s violent streak, and also mentioned that it seemed to run in the family.

Also I have to comment on the hyperbole 😂 - sounds almost like an epic battle scene from LOTR rather than some general disagreement on an online forum that goes below the belt sometimes (and in my experience it’s the super fans who regularly go below the belt and goad in the first place, then act the victims). Anyway, work and life beckon, enjoy your Thursday, doubt I’ll return.

Don't be ridiculous.

Of course it happened. @Roussette is absolutely correct.

That's why Justine, the founder of this site, who sees behind the scenes as well as what is posted, said the anti-Meghan posts were "deranged".

In her interview Justine compared the deluge of Meghan threads to those about Madeline McCann. I've been on MN long enough to know how vicious those threads got. They actually had to take the same approach they take to Madeline McCann threads here at one point and BANNED new threads about Meghan for months, just after they left the UK and during the lockdown because it was off the scale.

After Meghan threads were banned, the more extreme posters then set up an alternative site to continue the bashing. Before that, there was a surreal time when the more extreme bashers all changed their user names to include the word "Penguin", the better I suppose to identify each other, then there was the long running threads in which posters constantly asked each other "are you okay, no one asked of I was okay" which are meant to mock Meghan's mental distress. We are talking about threads going on for 30 page for more before being deleted.

You only have to go through the Royal Family threads to see there are gaps in posting in 2019 and 2020.

I have said before that I wrote to Musnet in 2017 under my real name because even then, before the wedding, before they left, before the Oprah, I had serious concerns about the manner in which posters were discussing MM on Mumsnet. I have been vindicated.

I can count the number of time posters have tried to start positive or non bashing threads which in moments are taken over by toxic posters. And yet on every toxic and malicious thread, any positive poster is insulted, dragged and bullied.

Nothing @Roussette has said is untrue.

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Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 11:57

clearly you see that you did comment on the affair saying you believed it but are now trying to imply you’re some kind of victim in al of this instead of owning up to the fact

Samcro · 02/02/2023 12:00

Ohnonevermind thank you for proving my point the anti posters have been trying to play the victim on here. then you stalk a pro poster and post screen shots of their posts. proves the point really.

ThighMistress · 02/02/2023 12:02

Yes, there have been several threads/posts thinking that if somehow Charles/William were to meet sticky ends (nice Hmm ) then Harry would become King (with Meghan Queen of course).

Even more bizarre is the notion that the Monarchy is some kind of popularity contest and that because at one time M&H were the most popular royals - and because Harry declares that he would be better at the role than William - then that’s that then, it should
be King Harry.

So, yes, on the one hand these views sound very Sussex Squadian, but also completely nuts given that half of them repeatedly claim that they are republicans Confused

Roussette · 02/02/2023 12:03

Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 11:57

clearly you see that you did comment on the affair saying you believed it but are now trying to imply you’re some kind of victim in al of this instead of owning up to the fact

stop stalking me lol

I have acknowledged it by saying well done for catching me out and said I put allegedly repeatedly, how is that not acknowledging it?

Maybe stop now?

Roundlampshade · 02/02/2023 12:06

Has anyone seen the new portrait of the Princess of Wales? I don’t like it.

Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 12:09

@Samcro

If liars didn’t repeatedly lie I wouldn’t have
to,

if Meghan and Harry didn’t lie regularly and repeatedly I wouldn’t be on these threads either

Roussette · 02/02/2023 12:20

Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 12:09

@Samcro

If liars didn’t repeatedly lie I wouldn’t have
to,

if Meghan and Harry didn’t lie regularly and repeatedly I wouldn’t be on these threads either

You're calling me a liar now?

What is the matter with you. I doubt you can remember every single word of every single post you put on here, you are VERY prolific, I just can't be arsed to spend hours looking at your anomalies of which, no doubt, there are many.

Just jog on with your insults. I think you have illustrated my point of what some of the anti H and M posters are like so thx for that 👍

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/02/2023 12:31

GloomyDarkness · 02/02/2023 11:53

Last book before spare I said on a thread that I thought some of Meghan's issues were cultural and a lot Harry - something I think Spare confirmed.

I got torn to shreds and yes I found some of those posters following me to other threads in different subject areas and pulling apart what I said however innocuous. I named changed which I do fairly regularly and it stopped.

There is also a lot of Meghan hate on-line.

Thing is though the SussexSquad is equally baffling - this is rich privilege couple who should have access to decent PR people why do they need Joe Bloggs to defend them- the whole arse licking tone of tone of this thread is odd - and yes there does start to feel like parallels with Trump fan base.

Some of the very pro Meghan and Harry posts do seem US based there is a lack of cultural and historical knowledge - even basic stuff like primogeniture inheritance most UK people pick up even as it's not really practiced by most of the UK population it's just cultural background noise which doesn't usually need explaining.

Upshot is RF is an odd institution and most of time UK population is indifferent to vaguely positive about them - RF court popularity to justify their continued existence or very least to stop rise of popular political movement to republicanism and having lost previous much loved leader are more vulnerable than they've been in decades.

Harry and Meghan's level of fame is only due to their association with the RF - which they have repeatedly attacked which hasn't gone down well they need big undeniably positive PR win- this so far isn't it.

I've been reading a lot of Meghan related hate forums, and you are absolutely spot on in your observations. @GloomyDarkness

One thing I will just say: the Sussex Squad is driven by women of colour who are mainly outside the UK. It's a movement with its roots in M and H's wedding. For the first time, you had, in the family that, as an institution, is monarchy in whose name their countries were colonised and people enslaved, someone to whom they could relate.

Not who represented them, but to whom they could relate. For the first time, you had the joyful exuberant kind of church service that black Christians are used to, with gospel choirs, and fiery preachers who go on too long. For the first time you have slavery and Dr King mentioned in freaking Westminster Abbey. It was a mike drop moment.

In the same way that white women in the UK relate to Kate as a mother of three etc, and buy out the things she wears, Meghan, for women of colour, was an aspirational ideal to whom they could relate.

It gets more interesting.

Diana was the only member of the royal family who was uniformly popular among black women in Africa, the Caribbean and the US. No one else came close. You heard Tyler Perry. He helped them out because his mother liked Harry's mother. I wish I had time to write about Diana and black women and how they loathe Camilla.

And then the press goes after their girl Meghan and Diana's boy. This group began to coalesce to push back against the negative coverage. The Buzzfeed article comparing headlines Kate received versus those that Meghan received for the same things galvanised a LOT of people.

It's a movement that began in 2019, before they left, when the negative headlines were become stranger and stranger. Here is a piece written about it at the time.

www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/meet-sussexsquad-army-strangers-supporting-duchess-meghan-62580044

The Squad then started fundraisers, started meeting up, volunteering at Invictus in 2021. I understand that many were part of Meghan's Indiana event.

It's a black women led community to push back against the vitriol. Are they "super fans"? Possibly. But I think it is better to live with that kind of energy that gets you to do fundraisers etc than to live in the cesspit of shared hate that sees you manipulating photos and spreading conspiracy theories.

On Twitter some of them call KM "KKKate", which is absolutely ghastly, and Camilla is often called "Cowmilla". None of that is okay. But it does not compare to the vitriol coming from the most deranged royal fans, the accusation that Meghan was a prostitute who slept with Andrew and faked her pregnancies and the proliferation of YouTube channels discussing these wacky theories.

Yikes that was long!

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Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 12:32

Taking a shot at Kate’s then declaring yourself the victim when called out - I’ve serious deja vous here 🤣🤣🤣🤣

pilates · 02/02/2023 12:34

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AllOutofEverything · 02/02/2023 12:36

Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 12:32

Taking a shot at Kate’s then declaring yourself the victim when called out - I’ve serious deja vous here 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Criticising Kate is not allowed?
And bullying someone who criticises her is fine then?

Abra1t · 02/02/2023 12:39

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/02/2023 12:31

I've been reading a lot of Meghan related hate forums, and you are absolutely spot on in your observations. @GloomyDarkness

One thing I will just say: the Sussex Squad is driven by women of colour who are mainly outside the UK. It's a movement with its roots in M and H's wedding. For the first time, you had, in the family that, as an institution, is monarchy in whose name their countries were colonised and people enslaved, someone to whom they could relate.

Not who represented them, but to whom they could relate. For the first time, you had the joyful exuberant kind of church service that black Christians are used to, with gospel choirs, and fiery preachers who go on too long. For the first time you have slavery and Dr King mentioned in freaking Westminster Abbey. It was a mike drop moment.

In the same way that white women in the UK relate to Kate as a mother of three etc, and buy out the things she wears, Meghan, for women of colour, was an aspirational ideal to whom they could relate.

It gets more interesting.

Diana was the only member of the royal family who was uniformly popular among black women in Africa, the Caribbean and the US. No one else came close. You heard Tyler Perry. He helped them out because his mother liked Harry's mother. I wish I had time to write about Diana and black women and how they loathe Camilla.

And then the press goes after their girl Meghan and Diana's boy. This group began to coalesce to push back against the negative coverage. The Buzzfeed article comparing headlines Kate received versus those that Meghan received for the same things galvanised a LOT of people.

It's a movement that began in 2019, before they left, when the negative headlines were become stranger and stranger. Here is a piece written about it at the time.

www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/meet-sussexsquad-army-strangers-supporting-duchess-meghan-62580044

The Squad then started fundraisers, started meeting up, volunteering at Invictus in 2021. I understand that many were part of Meghan's Indiana event.

It's a black women led community to push back against the vitriol. Are they "super fans"? Possibly. But I think it is better to live with that kind of energy that gets you to do fundraisers etc than to live in the cesspit of shared hate that sees you manipulating photos and spreading conspiracy theories.

On Twitter some of them call KM "KKKate", which is absolutely ghastly, and Camilla is often called "Cowmilla". None of that is okay. But it does not compare to the vitriol coming from the most deranged royal fans, the accusation that Meghan was a prostitute who slept with Andrew and faked her pregnancies and the proliferation of YouTube channels discussing these wacky theories.

Yikes that was long!

For the first time you have slavery and Dr King mentioned in freaking Westminster Abbey. It was a mike drop moment.

I thought they got married in Windsor?

Actually MLK was 'mentioned' in Westminster Abbey some years before Meghan got married:

Martin Luther King is one of the ten Modern Martyrs of the 20th century. The Martyrs were unveiled in 1998 above the west door of the Abbey. The sculptor was Tim Crawley.

Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 12:42

Here is an article about the playground in ulvade. This shows kabooms actual work in building the playground

www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/09/15/kaboom-unveils-new-playground-design-in-uvalde/

The link below highlights two levels of partners. I always think the level of introduction tiers the donation levels usually by size of donation and involvement

kaboom.org/partners/meet-our-partners

they are building a second playground but
archewell are not involved this time

uvaldehesperian.com/2023/01/06/kaboom-plans-new-playground-project-for-uvalde/?amp=1

Roussette · 02/02/2023 12:45

AllOutofEverything · 02/02/2023 12:36

Criticising Kate is not allowed?
And bullying someone who criticises her is fine then?

The annoying thing is I was not criticising her. My post which the PP searched for is about how the press would treat it, if it were true.
I then added my personal feelings on the subject and I made sure I explained my reasons. The only time I have expressed an opinion on the subject.
Very very many posters have stated point blank that there has definitely been an affair in very unpleasant and strident terms again and again. I am not one of those posters. Yet notanotherone is not interested in challenging them or spending time searching their posts.

The obsession with what I post is off the scale.

Call this playing the victim if those posters want to. I call it setting out the facts.

Roussette · 02/02/2023 12:46

Sorry that should read ohnonevermind. I muddled names

MrsMaxDeWinter · 02/02/2023 12:47

@Abra1t thanks for that.

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Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 12:53

When I worked preparing these annual statements we used to cross check claims by the various CEO’s and push back or dampen their ‘enthusiasm’ if required. Every line was assessed and cross referenced.

if they said ‘eg we are world leading’ - we would ask what is your rationale and we would look at it accept, or draw a line through it or amend as necessary and push back if there were contradictory statement from other sources.

A desire for truthfulness was important.

The impact statement doesn’t look like it had this level of scrutiny which it should have for credibility purposes

It’s very different to editing a book.

AllOutofEverything · 02/02/2023 12:54

Roussette · 02/02/2023 12:45

The annoying thing is I was not criticising her. My post which the PP searched for is about how the press would treat it, if it were true.
I then added my personal feelings on the subject and I made sure I explained my reasons. The only time I have expressed an opinion on the subject.
Very very many posters have stated point blank that there has definitely been an affair in very unpleasant and strident terms again and again. I am not one of those posters. Yet notanotherone is not interested in challenging them or spending time searching their posts.

The obsession with what I post is off the scale.

Call this playing the victim if those posters want to. I call it setting out the facts.

I am annoyed that mumsnet do nothing about the ongoing bullying you receive.

Ohnonevermind · 02/02/2023 13:22

@AllOutofEverything

the poster wouldn’t take my word for it before

She had posted an article about William and Kate’s marriage breaking up (around the time they moved to Windsor) unfortunately in her haste and enthusiasm she copied article from hello magazine dated from their college days.

Subsequently she has denied doing this despite other posters agreeing she had so who can blame me taking a screenshot of her sticking the boot in again to Kate.

she’s more than entitled to stick the boot in, but I’m also entitled to call her out when she says she doesn’t attack kate or anyone personally

I suggest we move on as the point has been made. I’m not stalking her, I’m just tired of the hypocrisy.

Aspiringmatriarch · 02/02/2023 14:37

I saw that thread and Roussette's posts and you are grossly exaggerating by saying she was "sticking the boot in again". What an unpleasant bully you are. You have filled this thread with vitriol, I actually feel quite uncomfortable reading through it all, and the fact that you seem so gleeful about your little vendettas creates a terrible impression of who you are as a person. I would seriously suggest you take a breather and go for a walk in nature or something.

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