Mega coronation

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Do we really need it? My first thought is no we don't, the money would be better spent on the NHS!

Well said @MMadameSzyszkoBohusz

Aw, thanks.

The Queen said she was welcome to carry on acting if she wanted to. It wasn't an instruction so they could avoid paying for her. Harry said Charles said he couldn't afford to pay for her. But regardless of whether Charles said it or not, he did in fact pay for Meghan so why say that they didn't have money to look after her. Because they did look after her.

That's normal I think — it was the same when Beatrix abdicated and Willem-Alexander became King. (Full list in here.)

Generally the monarch/head of states don’t attend the Coronations/enthronements of other ones.

It’s traditional for the next in line to attend.

Its so that the newly crowned monarch is the most senior person at their event (when they’re all together generally the rule is that the longest serving is the most senior).

They're. Not. Us.

We have a different history (which I won't pretend is steeped in glory) which has led to a different culture and protocol. In many cultures there is a "stooling" where a leader is placed on a throne rather than crowned. It's a different culture. It's their thing. This is ours. Pomp and ceremony like no other is one reason why, rightly or wrongly, like it or not, the British RF is world famous and nobody knows or cares who the king or queen of Sweden or Denmark are. (Yes, I'm being glib.)

And yes, I know you can comment where you like. Oh, do I know that.

That’s very disingenuous. Just because they are all called different things - enthronements, inaugurations etc - doesn’t mean they don’t happen.

I have a feeling that even if the RF was deposed we would still have wide spread poverty. Sad but true.

I'm reading that with the voice of Jennie Bond in my head....

Other than Spain, when the King abdicated in scandal, which European houses scrapped their events entirely?

As people keep saying they don’t have them, but I can’t think of any that haven’t had large celebrations for enthronements and inaugurations recently?

Agreed!

Let them eat cake!

Just because we don’t hear about them doesn’t mean that they aren’t there. The European papers/magazines enthusiastically cover European royalty and their events.

I agree that axing the rf does not equal prosperity for all. Far more is lost on benefit fraud by foreign claimants than is spent on the rf. Far more is spent on masses of stuff that is a complete waste.

Firthermore, people like visiting castles/historic properties/the grounds etc etc. If money building such things had instead been spent on “the poor” would we now have no poor? Hmmm?

I'm disappointed, as he apparently said he wanted it to be 'slimmed down' or words to that effect. Pomp and pageantry, fine, but not sure it needs to be 3 days or have the dreadful 'inclusive' stuff that's been announced. The monarchy should be above such woke nonsense.

Here you go. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronations_in_Europe

It lists all the European countries and starts with

"Coronations in Europe were previously held in the monarchies of Europe. The United Kingdom is the only monarchy in Europe that still practices coronation.Current European monarchies have either replaced coronations with simpler ceremonies to mark an accession (e.g. Denmark) or have never practiced coronations (e.g. The Netherlands and Belgium). Most monarchies today only require a simple oath to be taken in the presence of the country's legislature."

Well, yes, of course we would. But that doesn't logically lead to 'it's OK to spaff 100M on a 3 day party to 'enthrone a King' when so many of his 'subjects' are cold & hungry.

ReneWombat

And yes, I know you can comment where you like. Oh, do I know that.

Thanks for the permission to post on here, much appreciated!

I think the disparity of “slimmed down” is also part of the issue.

the coronation is slimmed down in terms of numbers invited (shit loads of aristos are currently pissed off as it seems there will be no invitations for them) and things like the Dukes pledging being reduced to only William to assist the frail ness of the Duke of Kent (if he knelt he wouldn’t get back up!) and the Issues with Harry and Andrew. But it’s more the ceremony and numbers attending that are slimmed down, rather than the pageantry side.

There was never going to be no pageantry - that just isn’t the way of British royal celebrations

That doesn't mean they're not celebrated though!

Look at 1.35 here — this is the last Dutch inauguration.

ah. So it’s more disingenuous stuff.

That they’re not called coronations doesn’t mean they don’t have large scale events and public involvement.

The monegasque enthronement, for example, would be included in that yet was a spectacular three day event.

He knows he has you in the bag he is reaching out to the malcontents like myself. Go woke or go broke.....

It's not permission. It's very weary acknowledgement that even a person who thinks Britain has no precedent for coronations and that a coronation is like a private tea party can, and likely will, post about it...

I never thought it was 'like a private tea party'.

You don't get my point because you're too busy being weary in your superior knowledge.

It's clear that other monarchies celebrate in different ways, but accessions are celebrated. For me the putting of the crown on the King's head is the bit I'm most looking forward to. That's the whole point after all. It's just unfortunate that's its the dreary Justin Welby who'll be doing it. He'll suck all the joy out of it.

The tourism, hospitality and other revenue generated will far outweigh the costs.

Royal circuses have been shown to have only a short term effect on revenue and even then it's only certain sectors that benefit. Many others lose out.

The Jubilee netted an estimated £408m (a large proportion of which went on plastic tat with all the costs to the environment that entails) but every bank holiday costs the economy an estimated £2.3 bn in lost productivity. You'd have to sell an awful lot of union jack bowlers to make that up.

www.europeanbusinessreview.com/the-effects-of-the-platinum-jubilee-on-uk-businesses/

Introducing the Coronation Spoon.

The anointing is the most sacred part of the coronation ceremony, and takes place before the investiture and crowning. The Archbishop pours holy oil from the Ampulla (or vessel) into the spoon, and anoints the sovereign on the hands, breast and head

www.rct.uk/collection/31733/the-coronation-spoon

It's like hosting the Olympics isn't it?

It's one massive advertisement for the country.

The world will be watching, if it's a spectacle.

If it's dull or done on the cheap then you've missed an opportunity to appear like a country that is on the up, instead of the island where Boris Johnson makes an arse of himself, a prince parties with pedophiles and the population was silly enough to vote to leave the EU and then spend years having a whine about it.

Gosh I hope Harry and Meaghan get an invite. 💥