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52% of 18-24 year olds want monarchy abolished

314 replies

babsanderson · 19/01/2023 16:32

This was in a yougov poll. Support for the monarchy is at an all time low amongst younger people.

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vera99 · 21/01/2023 09:11

UWhatNow · 20/01/2023 21:45

I was talking about state governments, as I wouldn’t be so arrogant to think anybody from another country would give a shit about our RF. I think people celebrating the Queen’s death have a rightful anger - albeit misplaced. One interesting thing I did learn about how the RF is perceived in Australia - the white population can’t stand it and want a republic but the indigenous aboriginal tribes enjoy the royal visits because they shine a light on their culture and the issues they face. It’s a bit more nuanced than either of us probably know, as are most of these thousand year old constitutional situations… but hey let’s turn the shithole into a sterile republic and racism will be gone overnight and slavery will never have happened…

Sterile Republic come on now you can do better - aim higher , think Olympics,Glastonbury,the vibrant theatre/music/dance scenes, English language , London , Edinburgh , The Lakes , our stately homes and palaces that will still be there and more accessible. We may even get a glimpse of William as he runs the Windsor Festival to raise money for the upkeep of the private estate and Kate makes jam to sell in the shop !

vera99 · 21/01/2023 09:12

Happyvalleyfan · 20/01/2023 21:54

Changing the future doesn’t mean we forget our past nor minimise the inequality now present. We should strive to be a meritocratic equal country where the circumstances of your birth don’t predict nor limit your future. Exactly the opposite of what the RF stands for.

Perfect !

MarshaMelrose · 21/01/2023 09:32

It's not defending Andrew to expect him to go through a court of law, either in this country or another, before calling him a sex offender. Your allegation that he settled for £12m is just speculation. You're peddling gossip. And until the matter goes to court and the evidence against him is cross examined, how can we know exactly what is gossip and what is the truth? That's why we have courts.
I say the same about Mountbatten. There has been one accusation against him as far as I know. The guy who is making it is deservant of having his allegation taken seriously and listened to. But Mountbatten's reputation also deserves to be treated fairly.
After all, did we not have several years where a series of men were held up to members of a paedophile ring and murderers. Their lives were ruined, family members wondering, some dying believing their reputations were ruined, some lost jobs and livelihoods, all living with a cloud over their heads. People like you were quick to call them all names and believe everything that was said.
Personally, I'm waiting for VG to appear in court when I can listen to the evidence dispassionately, and, then, once proven, I'll be happy to call him a sex offender.

vera99 · 21/01/2023 10:00

MarshaMelrose · 21/01/2023 09:32

It's not defending Andrew to expect him to go through a court of law, either in this country or another, before calling him a sex offender. Your allegation that he settled for £12m is just speculation. You're peddling gossip. And until the matter goes to court and the evidence against him is cross examined, how can we know exactly what is gossip and what is the truth? That's why we have courts.
I say the same about Mountbatten. There has been one accusation against him as far as I know. The guy who is making it is deservant of having his allegation taken seriously and listened to. But Mountbatten's reputation also deserves to be treated fairly.
After all, did we not have several years where a series of men were held up to members of a paedophile ring and murderers. Their lives were ruined, family members wondering, some dying believing their reputations were ruined, some lost jobs and livelihoods, all living with a cloud over their heads. People like you were quick to call them all names and believe everything that was said.
Personally, I'm waiting for VG to appear in court when I can listen to the evidence dispassionately, and, then, once proven, I'll be happy to call him a sex offender.

We have actual contemporaneous FBI files on Mountbatten which I think we can safely assert are more than just idle gossip.

www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/fbi-files-claim-lord-louis-mountbatten-had-a-perversion-for-young-boys/news-story/3647da9b3e938ae4aa5d0f3608639479

The newly unearthed FBI files, The Times reports, reference a 1944 interview with Elizabeth de la Poer Beresford, Baroness Decies, a friend of the royal family.

“She states that in these circles Lord Louis Mountbatten and his wife are considered persons of extremely low morals. She stated that Lord Louis Mountbatten was known to be a homosexual with a perversion for young boys,” the report said.

“In Lady Decies’ opinion he is an unfit man to direct any sort of military operations because of this condition. She stated further that his wife Lady Mountbatten was considered equally erratic.”

Lownie is also said to quote a rent boy named Anthony Daly who had a relationship with politician Tom Driberg. According to The Times, Daly alleged that “Tom said Mountbatten had something of a fetish for uniforms — handsome young men in military uniforms (with high boots) and beautiful boys in school uniform.”

Serenster · 21/01/2023 10:10

Just because the FBI wrote gossip down doesn’t mean it’s not still gossip! 🤣

Ohnonevermind · 21/01/2023 10:15

@vera99

Is this the same as lady C talking to the FBI

No evidence just gossip in certain circles which some people then take as fact

ive no idea about Mountbatten but this is no more compelling than lady c saying whatever she says about Harry and Meghan

MarshaMelrose · 21/01/2023 10:23

vera99 · 21/01/2023 10:00

We have actual contemporaneous FBI files on Mountbatten which I think we can safely assert are more than just idle gossip.

www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/fbi-files-claim-lord-louis-mountbatten-had-a-perversion-for-young-boys/news-story/3647da9b3e938ae4aa5d0f3608639479

The newly unearthed FBI files, The Times reports, reference a 1944 interview with Elizabeth de la Poer Beresford, Baroness Decies, a friend of the royal family.

“She states that in these circles Lord Louis Mountbatten and his wife are considered persons of extremely low morals. She stated that Lord Louis Mountbatten was known to be a homosexual with a perversion for young boys,” the report said.

“In Lady Decies’ opinion he is an unfit man to direct any sort of military operations because of this condition. She stated further that his wife Lady Mountbatten was considered equally erratic.”

Lownie is also said to quote a rent boy named Anthony Daly who had a relationship with politician Tom Driberg. According to The Times, Daly alleged that “Tom said Mountbatten had something of a fetish for uniforms — handsome young men in military uniforms (with high boots) and beautiful boys in school uniform.”

I don't know much about Lord Mountbatten other than how he died so I have nothing invested in him being innocent or guilty.
What you're quoting is one person's opinion. A person who is clearly biased against homosexuals.
I've seen people on here call Meghan Markle a person of low character, known to be a yacht girl, a manipulator, married to a man with mental health problems and a laughing stock round the world.
Doesn't make any of it true, and, personally, I dont believe any of the poor things said about MM. Just because someone says it, does not make it a fact. Which we all discovered from Carl Beech.
How can you safely assert any of it is more than gossip? How can you safely assert that any of it is not based on the fact that she thought all homosexuals were perverts? We don't know and as homosexuality was illegal then, it might have been a commonly held opinion by the FBI agent who write down her opinions.
Lady Decies herself had a strange life. And she wrote books about society at that time. Who knows if she took liberties with the truth to make her books sell better?
Or she could be totally right in her opinion.
We don't know. But that's why we have courts, to attempt to separate gossip from the truth.

Blossomtoes · 21/01/2023 10:35

Novella4 · 21/01/2023 09:04

"Her son isn't a sex offender as far as we know. He hasn't even been charged with a crime, never mind convicted.'

Here we go . Defending Andrew again - how inspiring ! This is why the 'royals' are decaying on their feet.
Many of their supporters believe Harry is 'worse' than Andrew . Andrew who was best friends with Epstein and paid out 12 million but at least he didn't marry a woman of colour and tell the truth !

Are the usual suspects currently prepping their defence of Mountbatten?

Since when has stating a fact been defence?

Ohnonevermind · 21/01/2023 10:46

@Blossomtoes

Clearly it’s a case ‘of facts be damned’

Blossomtoes · 21/01/2023 10:49

Ohnonevermind · 21/01/2023 10:46

@Blossomtoes

Clearly it’s a case ‘of facts be damned’

Often is round here.

vera99 · 21/01/2023 11:02

MarshaMelrose · 21/01/2023 10:23

I don't know much about Lord Mountbatten other than how he died so I have nothing invested in him being innocent or guilty.
What you're quoting is one person's opinion. A person who is clearly biased against homosexuals.
I've seen people on here call Meghan Markle a person of low character, known to be a yacht girl, a manipulator, married to a man with mental health problems and a laughing stock round the world.
Doesn't make any of it true, and, personally, I dont believe any of the poor things said about MM. Just because someone says it, does not make it a fact. Which we all discovered from Carl Beech.
How can you safely assert any of it is more than gossip? How can you safely assert that any of it is not based on the fact that she thought all homosexuals were perverts? We don't know and as homosexuality was illegal then, it might have been a commonly held opinion by the FBI agent who write down her opinions.
Lady Decies herself had a strange life. And she wrote books about society at that time. Who knows if she took liberties with the truth to make her books sell better?
Or she could be totally right in her opinion.
We don't know. But that's why we have courts, to attempt to separate gossip from the truth.

The FBI had more than one source apparently and the Times though fit to print this article about it which I include in full. I actually think that Murdoch and his henchmen print this sort of stuff as a sort of mafia warning to those in power of whatever stripe that they can turn on you if needs be and ensure that his and his corporation interests are looked after when needs be.

Lord Mountbatten’s ‘lust for young men’ revealed
Newly released FBI files give grim detail on the private life of Prince Charles’s mentor and his wife — ‘persons of extremely low morals’
Grant Tucker
Sunday August 18 2019, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
Rumours have swirled about Lord Mountbatten’s ­private life since his assassination in an IRA bomb attack 40 years ago

He was the war hero who led allied efforts in southeast Asia, the statesman who was so admired as last viceroy of India that he was invited to be its first governor-general, and the family man who was Prince Philip’s uncle and a valued mentor to Prince Charles.
But recently uncovered FBI files and new interviews paint the 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma as a sexually voracious man whose bisexuality became a theme of US intelligence files. The documents came to light during research for a biography of Lord Mountbatten and his wife Edwina by Andrew Lownie, a fellow of the Royal Historical Society and president of the Biographers’ Club.
Since the assassination of Mountbatten in an IRA bomb attack 40 years ago, rumours have swirled about his sexuality, fuelled by his comment: “Edwina and I spent all our married lives getting into other people’s beds.”
While Lady Mountbatten’s extramarital affairs are documented and acknowledged by their children, her husband’s private life has rarely been discussed. His official biographer wrote: “To suggest that such a man was actively homosexual seems to be flying not merely in the face of the evidence but also of everything we understand about his character.”
The FBI files cover more than three decades. The first is dated February 1944, soon after Mountbatten became supreme allied commander of southeast Asia. Elizabeth de la Poer Beresford, Baroness Decies, when interviewed about another matter, had mentioned being an intimate of Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mary and their ladies-in-waiting.
“She states that in these circles Lord Louis Mountbatten and his wife are considered persons of extremely low morals. She stated that Lord Louis Mountbatten was known to be a homosexual with a perversion for young boys. In Lady Decies’ opinion he is an unfit man to direct any sort of military operations because of this condition. She stated further that his wife Lady Mountbatten was considered equally erratic.”

It was signed EE Conroy, head of the New York field office, who wrote that she “appears to have no special motive in making the above statements” and found her to be of sound mind.
It is not known if the material was passed to the British government. Much of Mountbatten’s FBI file remains closed. Further US intelligence files were added after the war as Mountbatten became Nato commander of allied forces in the Mediterranean, then admiral of the fleet, and later chief of the defence staff.
In Lownie’s book, The Mountbattens: their Lives & Loves, Ron Perks, who was Mountbatten’s driver in Malta in 1948, breaks a silence of more than 70 years to say that one favoured destination, the Red House near Rabat, “was an upmarket gay brothel used by senior naval officers”, which he had not realised at the time. In the UK homosexual acts were illegal until 1967. After that the age of consent for homosexuals was 21 until long after Mountbatten’s death.

Interest in the Mountbattens peaked around the Suez crisis, with FBI files opened in November 1955 and November 1956. Many memos pertaining to his homosexuality have since been redacted or destroyed. One file dated April-July 1956 was destroyed in May 2017, shortly after Lownie requested the records.
It was during the mid-1950s that Edwina came under scrutiny because of her close friendship with Krishna Menon, the Indian defence minister, and numerous men involved with the civil rights movement. At the same time, the FBI sent a report on Lord Mountbatten’s homosexuality to the Department of Justice.
In April 1957 the FBI produced a memo on allegations of an affair between Paul Robeson, the singer, and Edwina, who had several liaisons with black men. She had an on-off relationship with Leslie “Hutch” Hutchinson and is said to have given the West Indian singer and pianist a gold bracelet bearing her name and a jewelled penis sheath from Cartier.
Edwina later adopted a new lover, Lieutenant Colonel Harold “Bunny” Phillips, a 6ft 5in officer of the Coldstream Guards, while her husband enjoyed a decades-long relationship with Yola Letellier, the Frenchwoman upon whom Colette based her 1944 novella, Gigi.
Lady Pamela Hicks, the youngest daughter of Lord and Lady Mountbatten, wrote about her mother’s affairs. “The ramifications were messy and complex,” she wrote in a memoir of her childhood. “When my father first heard that she had taken a lover, he was devastated. But eventually, using their reserves of deep mutual affection, my parents managed to negotiate a way through this crisis and found a modus vivendi.”
Indeed it was discomfort with his sexuality that drove Mountbatten’s ambition, according to Lownie: “His sense of inadequacy in his private life found an outlet in his determination for public office.”
The most intriguing of the documents is from May 1968, when a renowned FBI agent by the name of John Grombach discusses “a number of reports pertaining to the alleged homosexuality of Anthony Eden, Earl Mountbatten and [the diplomat] Anthony Nutting”. One of his sources was Lady Judith Listowel, who had been married to “Billy” Hare, the future 5th Earl of Listowel and secretary of state for India.
Not surprisingly for a man of royal birth with film-star looks, Mountbatten cultivated a large group of gay friends, including Noël Coward, Terence Rattigan, Ivor Novello and Tom Driberg, who gave him the moniker “Mountbottom”. The book contains an interview with a man who was Mountbatten’s lover throughout the 1970s, an unnamed neighbour then in his twenties.

Francis Wheen, a biographer of Driberg, collected material on Mountbatten but it was destroyed in a shed fire. One of the lost letters had been sent to him by a man who claimed Mountbatten had tried to seduce him when he was 17.
Wheen said: “The young naval rating was lined up to ‘go on a picnic’ with Mountbatten when the great man was visiting (I think) Malta. On the day, the youth was startled to discover that it was à deux.”
In the new book, to be published on Thursday, Anthony Daly, a rent boy to the rich and famous during the 1970s, who had a close relationship with Driberg, claims: “Tom said Mountbatten had something of a fetish for uniforms — handsome young men in military uniforms (with high boots) and beautiful boys in school uniform.”
A fruitful source of young men was the Life Guards, the book suggests. An unnamed former officer claimed Mountbatten had in the mid-1960s set up another young officer in a Belgravia flat.

Lownie also found evidence of a relationship between the young Louis Mountbatten and his private tutor. When he was 13 he spent several weeks in Dorset recovering from whooping cough and was taught by Frederic Lawrence Long, an unmarried man in his thirties, but their relationship lasted long after the summer of 1914.
Their correspondence was intense. In in 1916, Long wrote: “As you know there is only one Dick in the world for me & there never will be anyone before or anywhere near him in my affections. It is hardly necessary for me to add that I would give anything to wipe the floor with you. Goodbye my best beloved & dearest kid.”
Long officiated as a priest at Louis and Edwina’s wedding, but Mountbatten made no reference to him in letters to his family.
In 1980 Pat MacLellan, Mountbatten’s former military assistant, wrote in a letter: “The interesting biography will be the one that is published in 30 or 40 years’ time when the dust has settled.”
Mountbatten once said: “No biography has any value unless it is written with warts and all.”
Lownie said yesterday: “I am a serious historian rather than a tabloid journalist but in a full biography I had to deal with many of the allegations which have repeatedly been raised.”
@GrantTucker

Coxspurplepippin · 21/01/2023 11:10

Easy to denigrate someone when they're dead.

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:10

In what way was she “protecting” him? And from what?

Apart from the public shows of support already covered she allowed him to shuttle between royal residences ducking the serving of court papers.

No I’m not. Nor was Charles which is why his security has been withdrawn.

Charles is reportedly preparing to cover Andrew's security costs privately from our his own pocket.

Serenster · 21/01/2023 11:14

And as the article you’ve published makes perfectly clear, Novella, all of this is just gossip and allegations, mostly about the fact that Mountbatten could well have been gay or bisexual. Which would of course have been viewed as perverted behaviour amongst the majority of his time. These days of course it’s not seen as a moral failing, thankfully.

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:19

He hasn't even been charged with a crime, never mind convicted.

And yet there he is paying substantial damages from opaque sources in respect of something he never did to a woman he's never met.

vera99 · 21/01/2023 11:21

Serenster · 21/01/2023 11:14

And as the article you’ve published makes perfectly clear, Novella, all of this is just gossip and allegations, mostly about the fact that Mountbatten could well have been gay or bisexual. Which would of course have been viewed as perverted behaviour amongst the majority of his time. These days of course it’s not seen as a moral failing, thankfully.

The wider point is that he was sexually promiscuous over a lifetime as were most of his peers and class and that it is pretty much par for the course for aristocratic and/or rich men which is why Queens make much better monarchs and succession Amazonian style should pass through them.......

Now there's a thought we would now be entering the reign of Queen Anne.

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:31

VG could have forced PA into court and we'd hear her evidence against him under cross examination.

It was a US case so she couldn't have forced him into court without an extradition order which in turn would never be forthcoming against a royal because of the resultant diplomatic headaches.

Apart from the it was a civil case which could be heard and decided in his absence.

curlymacv · 21/01/2023 11:34

MarshaMelrose · 20/01/2023 21:07

Thank you. I refer you to my post on page 1. You make my point perfectly. 😆

I don't understand your point really. What is valuable about them ? What difference do they make to my life? What is the "stability" you're talking about? These are genuine questions not sarcasm.

Blossomtoes · 21/01/2023 11:39

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:19

He hasn't even been charged with a crime, never mind convicted.

And yet there he is paying substantial damages from opaque sources in respect of something he never did to a woman he's never met.

That’s a red herring. I remember a poster here a few months ago who was a lawyer. She said any decent lawyer would advise him to pay up if only to stop the legal costs ramping up on both sides. I’m intrigued by how it went with Dershowitz, she backed down and said she’d made a mistake when he stood up to her.

MarshaMelrose · 21/01/2023 11:41

vera99 · 21/01/2023 11:02

The FBI had more than one source apparently and the Times though fit to print this article about it which I include in full. I actually think that Murdoch and his henchmen print this sort of stuff as a sort of mafia warning to those in power of whatever stripe that they can turn on you if needs be and ensure that his and his corporation interests are looked after when needs be.

Lord Mountbatten’s ‘lust for young men’ revealed
Newly released FBI files give grim detail on the private life of Prince Charles’s mentor and his wife — ‘persons of extremely low morals’
Grant Tucker
Sunday August 18 2019, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
Rumours have swirled about Lord Mountbatten’s ­private life since his assassination in an IRA bomb attack 40 years ago

He was the war hero who led allied efforts in southeast Asia, the statesman who was so admired as last viceroy of India that he was invited to be its first governor-general, and the family man who was Prince Philip’s uncle and a valued mentor to Prince Charles.
But recently uncovered FBI files and new interviews paint the 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma as a sexually voracious man whose bisexuality became a theme of US intelligence files. The documents came to light during research for a biography of Lord Mountbatten and his wife Edwina by Andrew Lownie, a fellow of the Royal Historical Society and president of the Biographers’ Club.
Since the assassination of Mountbatten in an IRA bomb attack 40 years ago, rumours have swirled about his sexuality, fuelled by his comment: “Edwina and I spent all our married lives getting into other people’s beds.”
While Lady Mountbatten’s extramarital affairs are documented and acknowledged by their children, her husband’s private life has rarely been discussed. His official biographer wrote: “To suggest that such a man was actively homosexual seems to be flying not merely in the face of the evidence but also of everything we understand about his character.”
The FBI files cover more than three decades. The first is dated February 1944, soon after Mountbatten became supreme allied commander of southeast Asia. Elizabeth de la Poer Beresford, Baroness Decies, when interviewed about another matter, had mentioned being an intimate of Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mary and their ladies-in-waiting.
“She states that in these circles Lord Louis Mountbatten and his wife are considered persons of extremely low morals. She stated that Lord Louis Mountbatten was known to be a homosexual with a perversion for young boys. In Lady Decies’ opinion he is an unfit man to direct any sort of military operations because of this condition. She stated further that his wife Lady Mountbatten was considered equally erratic.”

It was signed EE Conroy, head of the New York field office, who wrote that she “appears to have no special motive in making the above statements” and found her to be of sound mind.
It is not known if the material was passed to the British government. Much of Mountbatten’s FBI file remains closed. Further US intelligence files were added after the war as Mountbatten became Nato commander of allied forces in the Mediterranean, then admiral of the fleet, and later chief of the defence staff.
In Lownie’s book, The Mountbattens: their Lives & Loves, Ron Perks, who was Mountbatten’s driver in Malta in 1948, breaks a silence of more than 70 years to say that one favoured destination, the Red House near Rabat, “was an upmarket gay brothel used by senior naval officers”, which he had not realised at the time. In the UK homosexual acts were illegal until 1967. After that the age of consent for homosexuals was 21 until long after Mountbatten’s death.

Interest in the Mountbattens peaked around the Suez crisis, with FBI files opened in November 1955 and November 1956. Many memos pertaining to his homosexuality have since been redacted or destroyed. One file dated April-July 1956 was destroyed in May 2017, shortly after Lownie requested the records.
It was during the mid-1950s that Edwina came under scrutiny because of her close friendship with Krishna Menon, the Indian defence minister, and numerous men involved with the civil rights movement. At the same time, the FBI sent a report on Lord Mountbatten’s homosexuality to the Department of Justice.
In April 1957 the FBI produced a memo on allegations of an affair between Paul Robeson, the singer, and Edwina, who had several liaisons with black men. She had an on-off relationship with Leslie “Hutch” Hutchinson and is said to have given the West Indian singer and pianist a gold bracelet bearing her name and a jewelled penis sheath from Cartier.
Edwina later adopted a new lover, Lieutenant Colonel Harold “Bunny” Phillips, a 6ft 5in officer of the Coldstream Guards, while her husband enjoyed a decades-long relationship with Yola Letellier, the Frenchwoman upon whom Colette based her 1944 novella, Gigi.
Lady Pamela Hicks, the youngest daughter of Lord and Lady Mountbatten, wrote about her mother’s affairs. “The ramifications were messy and complex,” she wrote in a memoir of her childhood. “When my father first heard that she had taken a lover, he was devastated. But eventually, using their reserves of deep mutual affection, my parents managed to negotiate a way through this crisis and found a modus vivendi.”
Indeed it was discomfort with his sexuality that drove Mountbatten’s ambition, according to Lownie: “His sense of inadequacy in his private life found an outlet in his determination for public office.”
The most intriguing of the documents is from May 1968, when a renowned FBI agent by the name of John Grombach discusses “a number of reports pertaining to the alleged homosexuality of Anthony Eden, Earl Mountbatten and [the diplomat] Anthony Nutting”. One of his sources was Lady Judith Listowel, who had been married to “Billy” Hare, the future 5th Earl of Listowel and secretary of state for India.
Not surprisingly for a man of royal birth with film-star looks, Mountbatten cultivated a large group of gay friends, including Noël Coward, Terence Rattigan, Ivor Novello and Tom Driberg, who gave him the moniker “Mountbottom”. The book contains an interview with a man who was Mountbatten’s lover throughout the 1970s, an unnamed neighbour then in his twenties.

Francis Wheen, a biographer of Driberg, collected material on Mountbatten but it was destroyed in a shed fire. One of the lost letters had been sent to him by a man who claimed Mountbatten had tried to seduce him when he was 17.
Wheen said: “The young naval rating was lined up to ‘go on a picnic’ with Mountbatten when the great man was visiting (I think) Malta. On the day, the youth was startled to discover that it was à deux.”
In the new book, to be published on Thursday, Anthony Daly, a rent boy to the rich and famous during the 1970s, who had a close relationship with Driberg, claims: “Tom said Mountbatten had something of a fetish for uniforms — handsome young men in military uniforms (with high boots) and beautiful boys in school uniform.”
A fruitful source of young men was the Life Guards, the book suggests. An unnamed former officer claimed Mountbatten had in the mid-1960s set up another young officer in a Belgravia flat.

Lownie also found evidence of a relationship between the young Louis Mountbatten and his private tutor. When he was 13 he spent several weeks in Dorset recovering from whooping cough and was taught by Frederic Lawrence Long, an unmarried man in his thirties, but their relationship lasted long after the summer of 1914.
Their correspondence was intense. In in 1916, Long wrote: “As you know there is only one Dick in the world for me & there never will be anyone before or anywhere near him in my affections. It is hardly necessary for me to add that I would give anything to wipe the floor with you. Goodbye my best beloved & dearest kid.”
Long officiated as a priest at Louis and Edwina’s wedding, but Mountbatten made no reference to him in letters to his family.
In 1980 Pat MacLellan, Mountbatten’s former military assistant, wrote in a letter: “The interesting biography will be the one that is published in 30 or 40 years’ time when the dust has settled.”
Mountbatten once said: “No biography has any value unless it is written with warts and all.”
Lownie said yesterday: “I am a serious historian rather than a tabloid journalist but in a full biography I had to deal with many of the allegations which have repeatedly been raised.”
@GrantTucker

When you use the word 'apparently', it means you don't know. So we don't know what the fbibevidence is or even if it exists. Oh well, that sounds solid. Let's just convict the guy.

I don't know if he was a homosexual or not but so what. Being homosexual or bisexuality doesn't make you a pervert. It did in those days, however, make other people extremely critical and nasty about homosexuals.

And there's nothing in that letter to say Mountbatten and Long were involved in a sexual relationship. You can't judge terminology used then by how we use it today.

Mountbatten might have been a homosexual, might have been bisexual, might have been a pervert, might have been a rapist. Or he might have been none of the above. We don't know. And you've produced nothing to substantiate anything other than opinion and tittle tattle.

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:44

I remember a poster here a few months ago who was a lawyer.

Well, if she said it here, it must be true 😁

MarshaMelrose · 21/01/2023 11:44

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:19

He hasn't even been charged with a crime, never mind convicted.

And yet there he is paying substantial damages from opaque sources in respect of something he never did to a woman he's never met.

Here are just three reasons that I've previously stated. There are probably others.

Presumably you've not been involved in any/many trials? If you had, you'd know they're highly unpredictable. Who'd have thought that Johnny Depp would ever have been found not guilty?
Also, he's going to be using the best lawyers, here and in the USA. They'd have to go through discovery, pre-trial, trials. Amber Heard's lawyers cost her (or at least her insurers) over $8m. Depps fees are rumoured to be even higher. And PA would have to pay UK lawyers on top of that. Courts are are expensive business. It's probably cheaper to settle and save stress at the same time. Most cases are settled rather than going to court.
Plus, he would have had to hand over documents for discovery. It would inevitable lead to information concerning other family members' private and financial business being exposed. PA and the RF would want to avoid that at all costs.

Blossomtoes · 21/01/2023 11:44

The worst part of that is that he was groomed by his tutor when he was 13. Who cares about homophobic tittle tattle?

Blossomtoes · 21/01/2023 11:47

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:44

I remember a poster here a few months ago who was a lawyer.

Well, if she said it here, it must be true 😁

It’s as likely to be true as any of your assumptions.

Serenster · 21/01/2023 11:50

CathyorClaire · 21/01/2023 11:44

I remember a poster here a few months ago who was a lawyer.

Well, if she said it here, it must be true 😁

It was possibly me. And it’s absolutely true. There are any many excellent reasons why people, yes, even people who have done nothing wrong, settle cases to avoid the cost, risk and uncertainty of a trial. Add in a foreign court, a jury trial and a scandalous subject matter and Andrew settling was an entirely sensible decision. The decision tells us absolutely nothing about whether he slept with Virginia or not.

Dershowitz has a reputation as a bullish and wily lawyer, with security of tenure at Harvard. Standing up to Virginia and forcing her to back down was a bold move that paid off for him. Most people’s lawyers would advise them to take the lower risk option of settling.

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