52% of 18-24 year olds want monarchy abolished

[babsanderson]

This was in a yougov poll. Support for the monarchy is at an all time low amongst younger people.

Perhaps you need to factor in newer predictions
amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/03/millennials-radicalism-not-getting-more-rightwing-with-age

Because history doesn't predict the future, especially in the age of information.

Any data scientist would not consider this to be reliable, without weighing all the additional factors. For example, millennials are one of the first generations to be more liberal as they age rather than conservative, unlike previous generations.

The world is changing much more rapidly than it ever was.

You beat me to it! Yes.

I was talking about state governments, as I wouldn’t be so arrogant to think anybody from another country would give a shit about our RF. I think people celebrating the Queen’s death have a rightful anger - albeit misplaced. One interesting thing I did learn about how the RF is perceived in Australia - the white population can’t stand it and want a republic but the indigenous aboriginal tribes enjoy the royal visits because they shine a light on their culture and the issues they face. It’s a bit more nuanced than either of us probably know, as are most of these thousand year old constitutional situations… but hey let’s turn the shithole into a sterile republic and racism will be gone overnight and slavery will never have happened…

'People were celebrating her death'.

Nice.

VGs allegations were investigated by the UK police and they couldn't find a case against him. Now British citizens might be cynical and say the RF pulled strings. But the RF couldn't pull strings with the FBI. And not only haven't they charged Andrew, they haven't charged anyone.

VG could have forced PA into court and we'd hear her evidence against him under cross examination. She declined to do that and settled for £3m. She was also suing Alan Dershowitz. AD wouldn't settle. VG could have forced him into court and had him testify but instead, she withdrew her allegation, apologised and said she'd made a mistake accusing him.

So, until I actually see evidence presented and questioned, and someone being convicted in court, I'll hold off judgement regarding guilt and innocence.

Changing the future doesn’t mean we forget our past nor minimise the inequality now present. We should strive to be a meritocratic equal country where the circumstances of your birth don’t predict nor limit your future. Exactly the opposite of what the RF stands for.

Can you think of a single country in the world that fits that utopian description? Because I can’t.

But we’re heading in the wrong direction compared to other countries - we must expect better!

www.ft.com/content/ef265420-45e8-497b-b308-c951baa68945

« Far from simply losing touch with their western European peers, last year the lowest-earning bracket of British households had a standard of living that was 20 per cent weaker than their counterparts in Slovenia. »

Then blame the government and its ideological austerity. That would still be the case if you abolished the monarchy tomorrow.

Why do we have to be the same as everyone else? Why can’t the Brits have that weird anachronism that rolls out the drums and the epaulettes and the gold carriages? It doesn’t materially affect our democracy or the life of the average citizen. It’s no less costly than all the hoopla that would go with an elected head of state. It provides a wonderful spectacle on national event days and we love moaning and bitching about them.

Do you know anything about this case?

The court case didn't happen because Prince Andrew settled for an undisclosed sum with the victim.

Probably using tax payer money too btw. 👍 You don't find that suspicious at all?

If there was no evidence why would he pay her anything? Genuinely?

Also I think it's fascinating you'd rather believe a potential sex offender than a potential liar.

If your daughter came to you telling you she has been assaulted would you tell her no point pursuing it since there's no evidence? Would you yourself refuse to believe her unless you could see evidence? Why do we continue to ignore and fail victims of sexual assault?

Whether you like it or not it's true. For many oppressed people she was proudly heading up an oppressive institution that worsened their lives.

They're allowed to feel the way that they do and you should probably get of your high horse considering you've likely haven't experienced anything remotely close to what these people have if you were born here.

Genuine question, where was the Queen’s death celebrated?

www.gwhatchet.com/2022/09/15/heres-why-queen-elizabeths-death-has-generated-more-criticism-than-grief/

And @Blossomtoes

its not harmless - the RF glorifies birthright and privilege. They are the pinnacle of inequality in the UK.

They are the mascot of the conservatives who vote in the Tory party - as seen in the Yougov polls already mentioned in this thread.

I don’t find Twitter and an article in some obscure publication written by someone who thinks the past tense of shine is “shined” compelling. Sorry.

TBH that article is not painting those 'celebrating' in a good light. And a publication called the Hatchet? Uh-huh.

there are always a few 🙄 I’m ashamed of those Irish louts, they don’t represent the majority (the shame of them)

Yes.

Shes not a victim (she hasn't proved her case), she's a plaintiff. The plaintiff did not need to agree to a settlement. She could have chosen to have the matter laid out before the public. She chose to take the money. I can think of several reasons why she might do that.

He did not use tax payers money. All of the Sovereign Grant is accounted for. A few million missing would be noticed. 🙄 So no, I don't find it suspicious.

Presumably you've not been involved in any/many trials? If you had, you'd know they're highly unpredictable. Who'd have thought that Johnny Depp would ever have been found not guilty?
Also, he's going to be using the best lawyers, here and in the USA. They'd have to go through discovery, pre-trial, trials. Amber Heard's lawyers cost her (or at least her insurers) over $8m. Depps fees are rumoured to be even higher. And PA would have to pay UK lawyers on top of that. Courts are are expensive business. It's probably cheaper to settle and save stress at the same time. Most cases are settled rather than going to court.
Plus, he would have had to hand over documents for discovery. It would inevitable lead to information concerning other family members' private and financial business being exposed. PA and the RF would want to avoid that at all costs.

So there are three genuine reasons why people, not just PA, settle rather than risking a court case.
But why aren't you asking why did VG settle? Why did VG drop her case against Dershowitz rather than go to court?

What a comment to make and not that it matters one jot. I'm British going back at least 250 years both sides of my family. My grandfather fought for King and Country and was gassed at the Somme in 1915 , refused to talk about it ever , never joined any British Legion or remembrance and suffered blackouts during the 1930s Great Depression with the National Assistance Board coming round to my mum's house to look in all the cupboards before offering meagre help. Country fit for heroes my arse.

My father joined up in 1940 having been previously refused over eyesight in 1939 and was in the Royal Signals serving in S.Africa, Egypt, Libya, Italy and finally Germany. Is that British enough oh and my dear departed mum camped out all night opposite Westminster Abbey to see the Coronation in person.

I am proud to be British and proud to be a Republican.

“What power have you got?”

“Where did you get it from?”

“In whose interests do you use it?”

“To whom are you accountable?”

“How do we get rid of you?”

www.thenation.com/article/archive/tony-benn-and-five-essential-questions-democracy/

You have got to be a lawyer or barrister maybe retired ?

DICK. The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

JACK CADE. Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be made parchment, that parchment, being scribbl'd o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings; but I say 'tis the bee's wax, for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never mine own man since.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_kill_all_the_lawyers

I like all the pomp and circumstance and the frilly bits of the RF but I'd like to see the back of the class system in the U.K. one day and I can't help but think until the RF go which sits at the top of it, the class system will always be there.

I do wonder as times get harder how many people can carry on supporting the RF just for all the 'fun' bits. They are mostly irrelevant now.
I really liked the queen. I think she was past caring what anyone thought which was great, and she was a woman so also great. I used to like her standing in state photographs often the only woman in a background of male leaders. Now I can't really think what the RF are even there for.

"Her son isn't a sex offender as far as we know. He hasn't even been charged with a crime, never mind convicted.'

Here we go . Defending Andrew again - how inspiring ! This is why the 'royals' are decaying on their feet.
Many of their supporters believe Harry is 'worse' than Andrew . Andrew who was best friends with Epstein and paid out 12 million but at least he didn't marry a woman of colour and tell the truth !

Are the usual suspects currently prepping their defence of Mountbatten?