William was in the wrong re Harry’s wedding

[MaybelleMary]

Re William didn’t stay over with Harry the night before his wedding and caused a fuss about having to go to the hotel he was in the night before for dinner. As his only brother and as best man he should’ve been there with him. We hear all the time how wonderful and amazing Catherine’s family are - surely on the occasion of his only sibling getting married her parents could’ve come over to help her with her newborn and the children for the night. They have nannies and cleaners and staff so not exactly short of help in general.

my DH has only one brother too. He got married when my baby was 6 weeks old post a difficult c-section. We went to the hotel for 3 nights - so DH could have drinks with his brother and bridal party the night before, the night of the wedding and the night after the wedding. I was fine with this as it was his only siblings wedding. Yes it was difficult for me and exhausting but it was important to us both that we made a big effort for his DBro especially as (like Harry) they were missing a parent at the wedding.

from my view either William or Catherine or both didn’t care enough to put themselves out for Harry and his wedding which reflects poorly on them.

It sounds like they had all thoroughly had enough of each each other by the time the wedding came around so I don’t blame him. Kate and William saw Meghan for what she was very early on and probably felt unwilling to put on their happy faces unless absolutely necessary, ie. in front of the cameras on the day itself.

I mean your husband could've done a William and said no to the stag surely..?

Anyway, the bottom line is that everyone is the main character of their own life. Harry was entitled to have his wedding whenever he wanted (although I'm sure the royal family had a strong say on the date). Equally, William was entitled to stay at home for his life milestone. Neither are wrong for putting their own families first, but crying about it years later is pretty embarrassing

Lovely! Do you save your empathy for your family only?

It's not a conspiracy to say you're being goady, it's a fact. Saying things like you didn't realise posters didn't regard their siblings as family...

Given the upset in the lead up with remarks made about ‘baby brain’ and upset over Charlottes dress, I can imagine William was quite pissed off anyway. He had a three week old and two young kids and Kate was very stressed. Harry’s friends were there and give Harrys reputation for stupid behaviour, drugs and drink, he probably didn’t want to stay beyond dinner. Harry was being ridiculous.

William is a grown up, sensible, responsible family man. Why on earth would he leave his wife at home on her own with their 3 children including a newborn to spend the night with his pisshead, aggressive when drunk, drug taking younger brother?

Genuine question for those who think William dud the wrong thing: Is it the norm for brothers to spend the night under the same roof the night before the wedding??

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Yes I would expect it. Usually the bride and groom to be are not together the night before the wedding. In my experience of about 15 weddings the bride had some of their wedding party with them and the groom had someone with him. Usually brother or best man.

If Harry was having a last night of freedom get together with his mates, William might’ve just wanted to avoid spectating a drink and drugs bender?

It’s not exactly unheard of, that a parent of a newborn just wants to go home and sleep, rather than party all night.

I wonder how close W&H actually were over the last few years?

H really is picking at every perceived slight!

This ^^

He was there for a meal and back next morning - he was juggling responsibilities and very possibly trying to avoid any potential conflicts between the brothers night before a big event.

A few weeks ago, I gave birth to my 3rd child. My brother in law is getting married next week and my husband is the best man, even though he has made no secret of the fact that he thinks his brother is rushing into marriage. I have had some disagreements with the bride recently too. Our other children, aged 3 and 4, will be attendants at the wedding and are a little stressed about it. Now my BIL is asking my husband to spend the night before the wedding in the hotel with him, but he would much prefer to help me with the baby and to get the older two ready for tomorrow. AIBU to say my husband is right?

Ah you saying poor Harry was Billy no mates?
Because according to Harry, William was with friends the night before his marriage.

@EnidSpyton

William wasn't even Prince of Wales when Harry got married. He would have had absolutely no say in the choice of venue. That will have been entirely up the queen. I doubt there was ever any serious question of Harry getting married in the Abbey as he was only the monarch's grandchild and not directly in line. St. George's Chapel was always the obvious venue, and a very beautiful church it is too.

Since when was it an obligation to have a sleepover the night before a wedding?

I thought it was H&M who didn't want a big wedding. The RF told them they had to to raise the profile of RF/satisfy the public. Now we are hearing they wanted Westminster Abbey! Which is it?

@IcedPurple

Not true actually. If you read the book it says William was increasingly being given powers to make operational decisions by the Queen/Charles.

Also, Westminster Abbey weddings are not exclusive to heirs to the throne. He could have got married there if he'd wanted to. I don't think he necessarily did, anyway, but the fact that William put the kibosh on it straight away was interesting, I thought.

@EnidSpyton H's book and interviews show that he believes (at this point in his life) that he has been bullied by William 'their entire lives'.

Given H's own statement about his truth being as relevant as 'objective' truth, it doesn't mean any more than this is his interpretation of events which might be seen in a very different light by objective observers.

And you are claiming that the book is 'objective truth' despite H being clear that it isn't?

Strange...

Well, if 'the book' said it then it must be true, surely? After all everything else in has been proven absolutely correct.

This is just Harry's usual nonsense about how the queen was always on his side, it was just has nasty father and brother out to get him. In reality, it will have been the queen, and only the queen, who will have signed off on the choice of wedding venue. That's how monarchy works.

Only one of the monarch's own children got married at the Abbey. There was never any question of the not in direct line grandson getting married to his divorced bride there. Anyway, I thought they didn't want a 'spectacle'?

Yes to be fair I would struggle to think of a wedding I’ve attended where that didn’t happen

@mixedrecycling There's no such thing as objective truth. That's an oxymoron. I've not said such a thing.

All I'm saying is that I find Harry's perspective on his brother's behaviour and relationship with him very interesting to read about in conjunction with video evidence of their interactions over the years. I've seen several interviews with the two of them where William talks over, belittles and bullies Harry, all while laughing, smiling and acting as if it's just banter. I always thought that was just their relationship, but reading Harry's take on things shows that the banter was not reciprocal, it wasn't interpreted by Harry as banter, and that despite repeatedly telling his brother how he felt about it, he continued to treat him like shit, both in private and in front of other people. Now I'm sure William might have a different perspective. But bullies often do, don't they?

@EnidSpyton

'no such thing as objective truth'?

So if I say that today is January 17th, that is simply my subjective opinion?

It might actually be January 3rd? Or maybe March 5th? Depending on 'your truth'?

@IcedPurple is there a reason why you dislike someone you've never met so strongly?

I don't really give a fig about the whole thing. I'm sure not everything Harry says in the book is something that would be corroborated by others. All he can give is his perspective on things. Of course there will be other perspectives on the same event. Harry's will be coloured by his experiences and feelings, and others, their's. But that doesn't make Harry's perspective or feelings invalid.

I am not surprised that his wife has an eating disorder

Evidence for this, please.

Facts and truths are entirely different things.

You're talking about facts in this example, not truth.

And anyway, your example is a bit of a moot point, because actually the fact of the date would depend on what country you live in, and which time zone 😁