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Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

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Butterflyfluff · 15/01/2023 20:13

And if so, how do you reconcile all the inconsistencies in his stories?

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

I get there are people who are anti-royalist, but that doesn’t need to immediately translate to supporting H&M.

If anything, their actions are making the monarchy stronger because he can’t prove anything and people have no idea what ‘leaks’ he’s actually referring to.

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Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 13:07

derxa · 16/01/2023 12:52

Were you there?

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Unless it's a complete fabrication, how is that relevant?

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 13:11

x2boys · 16/01/2023 12:27

Princess Margaret died about six weeks before the Queen mother ,he may well.have got the deaths confused to senior members of the family dying within such a short space of time.

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I think this is the likeliest explanation. I'm sure the tabloids enumerating his inaccuracies are well aware too but of course they won't point that out.

Roussette · 16/01/2023 13:12

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:01

Have any of you actually read his book?? I'm telling you, it's eye opening. I'm listening to him read it on Audible and he gets choked up at times.

All of the stuff that caused all the rows was the fault of the courtiers - nasty, nasty people stirring up trouble between the Cambridge and Sussex staff.

Meghan sounds like a really nice person, actually. She's given him the warmth that he didn't get from his own family.

The other thing to bear in mind is that he doesn't 'slag off' the royal family. He speaks very fondly of his dad, the Queen (who sounds very nice and kind actually - I don't think we have ever heard about what she's like in person).

The stuff with William comes from the rivalry of how they are placed in the RF and the pecking order. I don't even think he blames William for it.

^^ This.

I am three quarters of the way through. He shows such warmth for his Dad and even the sibling rivalry between him and W doesn't overshadow how much he thinks of him.

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 13:18

Bestcatmum · 16/01/2023 12:42

I hate to say this because I don't believe in airing one's dirty laundry in public but before I read the book the media led me to believe he was a complete whiney, rich brat having a meltdown but after reading it I'm appalled about the untruths being reported and his point of view utterly distorted and the rascism they promote.
I think it should be illegal for the press to tell so many lies and mistruths that they ruin lives. Its disgusting. If they did that to me I would most certainly want to tell my side of the story too.

I completely agree.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 13:29

The issue about the tiara sounds far more believable from Harry's side. The Queen invited Meghan to try on tiaras and choose one, which she did. And one of the Queen's staff held onto it for ages and wouldn't give it to them. The wedding day was approaching and they weren't

The Queen was unaware of this whole thing. He says that this staff member was a difficult person who he was scared to even get on the wrong side of.

As I said, all the evidence points to the courtiers being the problem.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 13:30

Meant to say

the wedding day was approaching and they had no idea what was happening

derxa · 16/01/2023 13:30

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 13:07

Unless it's a complete fabrication, how is that relevant?

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Harry has shown himself to be economical with the old actualite. Only William and Harry were there.

Deeandra · 16/01/2023 13:32

@Blossomtoes she was referencing the RF. I'm not denying that. But perhaps I should have explained my thinking better.
That the OP said they accepted an award for tackling racism in the RF but the award "statement" was worded differently to Kennedy's interview. And it was an interview.

I think picking apart that award as evidence of him being a liar or hypocritical is a bit weak.

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 13:34

I think picking apart that award as evidence of him being a liar or hypocritical is a bit weak.

I think it’s extremely strong but we’re never going to agree.

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Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 13:36

I think picking apart that award as evidence of him being a liar or hypocritical is a bit weak.

I disagree - not sure how much stronger evidence of hypocrisy you would like.

Harry has said that he and Meghan never accused the RF of racism - how does that reconcile with the Oprah interview and the fall out from it?

Well noted that @Loveisloveis has moved onto tiaras rather than responding to that question too.

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derxa · 16/01/2023 13:38

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 13:29

The issue about the tiara sounds far more believable from Harry's side. The Queen invited Meghan to try on tiaras and choose one, which she did. And one of the Queen's staff held onto it for ages and wouldn't give it to them. The wedding day was approaching and they weren't

The Queen was unaware of this whole thing. He says that this staff member was a difficult person who he was scared to even get on the wrong side of.

As I said, all the evidence points to the courtiers being the problem.

Evil Angela Kelly. No doubt in cahoots with Thomas Markle, Givenchy, Kate, Charlotte and the Archishop of Canterbury to try and sabotage the wedding.

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 13:42

He says that this staff member was a difficult person who he was scared to even get on the wrong side of.

He seems to scare pretty easily for an Apache pilot who killed 25 people.

LadyKenya · 16/01/2023 13:50

I think that there is a lot of support for Harry. I have not read the book, so I cannot comment on what he has said in it. If anything I feel that he has been too honest, from what I have heard on the news. He must have his reasons for speaking out like he has. I have no wish to condemn him.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 13:55

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 13:42

He says that this staff member was a difficult person who he was scared to even get on the wrong side of.

He seems to scare pretty easily for an Apache pilot who killed 25 people.

That's a stupid thing to say. Clearly, these courtiers have the ability to stir up a whole load of trouble for anyone who gets on the wrong side of them. It's a very political situation.

Clearly he wasn't suggesting she'd beat him up!

Lheuredubebe · 16/01/2023 13:55

I support him. I'm halfway through his book and support him even more after reading this far, as I'm constantly seeing people put his words out of context and misinterpreting what he says in the book, purposefully. The media does it, and now people who haven't even read the damn thing are doing it. I feel sorry for him.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 13:57

Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 13:36

I think picking apart that award as evidence of him being a liar or hypocritical is a bit weak.

I disagree - not sure how much stronger evidence of hypocrisy you would like.

Harry has said that he and Meghan never accused the RF of racism - how does that reconcile with the Oprah interview and the fall out from it?

Well noted that @Loveisloveis has moved onto tiaras rather than responding to that question too.

Oh I didn't realise that you intended the whole thread to be about the racism issue.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 14:01

The problem here is that a lot of people get very uppity about someone being accused of racism.

The reality is that most white people will have been racist at some time. Because white supremacy still pervades everything.

Deeandra · 16/01/2023 14:06

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 13:34

I think picking apart that award as evidence of him being a liar or hypocritical is a bit weak.

I think it’s extremely strong but we’re never going to agree.

Haha very true!

Honestly I'm not that wedded to either side. I've gone back and forth about H&M. Where I've landed now is it's just all of them. They're just all very privileged self righteous people looking out for their own self interest. I think H&M are the most interesting and saleable to the press. Like Charles and Di. They really ought to just settle down now and let it all go.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 14:13

derxa · 16/01/2023 13:30

Harry has shown himself to be economical with the old actualite. Only William and Harry were there.

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So you don't believe it happened? Harry put this in his book knowing full well that William would be aware it was a complete lie and just let it go presumably? You actually think that?

William also hasn't denied what is quite a serious allegation.

I don't think you're capable of viewing this fairly tbh. It either happened or it didn't, including Harry choosing not to respond in kind. There's no grey area there, hence me asking the relevance of your question about who was there. I've no doubt Harry can be very frustrating btw but that has no bearing on whether it's acceptable to use violence.

derxa · 16/01/2023 14:24

including Harry choosing not to respond in kind. That was the whole point of the story.

DerangedViper · 16/01/2023 14:37

So you don't believe it happened? Harry put this in his book knowing full well that William would be aware it was a complete lie and just let it go presumably? You actually think that?

The book has so many inaccuracies in the checkable parts, that I don't think you can rely on this being accurate.

William - like the rest of the RF - has a longstanding policy of not commenting, so I don't read anything in to the absence off a reaction

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 14:41

Which parts of the book are provably false?

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 14:43

William - like the rest of the RF - has a longstanding policy of not commenting, so I don't read anything in to the absence off a reaction

He probably doesn't have any choice in the matter.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 15:06

derxa · 16/01/2023 14:24

including Harry choosing not to respond in kind. That was the whole point of the story.

Yes, and it was about William attacking him. Since you commented asking if another poster was there, I assume you're either of the opinion that it didn't happen at all or if it did, Harry was violent as well or possibly instigated it?

ShamedBySiri · 16/01/2023 15:13

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 13:29

The issue about the tiara sounds far more believable from Harry's side. The Queen invited Meghan to try on tiaras and choose one, which she did. And one of the Queen's staff held onto it for ages and wouldn't give it to them. The wedding day was approaching and they weren't

The Queen was unaware of this whole thing. He says that this staff member was a difficult person who he was scared to even get on the wrong side of.

As I said, all the evidence points to the courtiers being the problem.

And one of the Queen's staff held onto it for ages and wouldn't give it to them.

There is a huge collection of Royal/Crown jewels, which includes lots of tiaras. I assume they are kept in a strong room in the bowels of Buckingham Palace or somewhere very secure. There will obviously be a formal, secure system for obtaining one from the store when needed.

AK didn't/couldn't just hang on to it.
H&M appear to have thought that AK - the Queen's personal employee - should jump to it and spring to attention at the snap of their fingers. That obviously isn't how it works, getting hold of a tiara. Kate apparently used one from Clare's accessories to practice her hair do which seems a much simpler and less demanding at to go about it.