Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

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And if so, how do you reconcile all the inconsistencies in his stories?

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

I get there are people who are anti-royalist, but that doesn’t need to immediately translate to supporting H&M.

If anything, their actions are making the monarchy stronger because he can’t prove anything and people have no idea what ‘leaks’ he’s actually referring to.

The group that thinks Meghan stole their prince will never let go of the hate.
I hope one day, there will be a balanced view and debate between Meghan and Harry.

I find outside of a particular group of people, most people don't really care and the view is Harry can do whatever he wants. This reflects the book sales.

I think it's this type of comment that makes me sympathise with them more. I'm just answering your question:

"Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?"

It's not deflection, it's in the definition. Structural racism is not personal or about families, it's built into the system. You (and the media, I didn't try to read all of it) are making the link between the comment on his child and this award. If you are going to pick at everything he's said, be prepared for others to pick at your inconsistencies too.

You also use such emotive language too on his behalf like "desperate attempts to backpedal" to make your point. It's why I can't take the level of argument seriously on this board - the level of projection and betrayal people are personally feeling. It's very entertaining and I find myself agreeing with them about the media, the influence it has on people, and why they feel the need to stand up to them.

I found the wording Harry used interestingly. Racial bias/unconscious bias and racism is the same thing. One is not the absence of the other. Throwing a born to those who think the royal family is not racist while saying the royal is racist. One might be out of ignorance but there is no such thing as a little bit racist. It either is or it isn't. Both knowingly and unknowingly.

"harry addressed it and said it was his truth and not always the factual truth . It’s what he has made up and believes in his head."

This is another example a few posts up of Harry saying x and someone concluding y. Someone having their truth does not mean it's made up.

Think the idea of taking 'sides' pretty weird.

However I think what Harry is trying to explain is interesting generally and I understand (I think) why he wants to tell his own story.

The weird relationship between the RF and the dreadful tabloids is horrible, the way they have ripped him apart and manipulated public opinion is not an edifying spectacle.

I find all the people swallowing the headlines from the same tabloids who we all know lie constantly very strange.

Agree with this.

I meant I agreed with @debbrianna

That’s not what Kerry Kennedy said. Apologies for the Daily Heil link.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11618937/Kerry-Kennedy-praised-Harry-Meghan-standing-racism-Royal-Family.html

This is what Kennedy said from that link:

"When my father went to South Africa in 1966, he spoke to an all white audience.... he said that few will have the courage to confront their colleagues and their fellows and their family and their community about the structures of power that they hold.

'That's what Meghan Markle and Prince Harry did.

'They went to the biggest institution, the longest standing institution in all of British history, and they said: "What we're doing is wrong. We can't have this structural racism within this institution.'"

They knew that if they did that, the consequences would be great, that they would be ostracized, that they would lose their family, that they would lose their power structure that people would blame them.

'They did it anyway because they felt like they couldn't live with themselves unless they questioned that authority.

I think they are very, very heroic to do that.'

And the rest of it is media commentary.

'They went to the biggest institution, the longest standing institution in all of British history, and they said: "What we're doing is wrong. We can't have this structural racism within this institution.'"

So what’s your interpretation of that?

Yes

I think it is really nasty how he is dragging in William's children into argument. If I was William I would never forgive him for that. I think Harry has schizophrenic tendancies of paranoia and delusions of grandeur and lives in his ow reality. Schizophrenia can be triggered by drug use which he freely admits to over a long time. So many inaccuracies in his account. Similar to Meghan claiming she got married 3 days before her wedding. It as if the really believe their own lies.

Now that we know that structural racism in the royal family is apparently not the same as the royal family being racist, could someone explain how Meghan is not suggesting the royal family is racist here:

Oprah: Because they were concerned that if he were too brown, that that would be a problem? Are you saying that?
Meghan: I wasn’t able to follow up with why, but that — if that’s the assumption you’re making, I think that feels like a pretty safe one

I have read the book and have sympathy for Harry and Meghan. The press treated and are still treating them appallingly .
The snippets from the book need to be read in context.
The Royal family is so dysfunctional and very cold. People opinions on most of them are based on press spin , unless you have actually worked for them or actually know them.
The fact that all security was taken away seems wrong - surely the two children don’t deserve that - they are grandchildren of a monarch and targets for kidnapping etc.
People who hate or even dislike people they have never met are treading the wrong path. Its just not a kind way to behave .

My interpretation is not important or interesting. I just wanted to make it clear from your link what Kennedy said.

I’m only up to chapter 37. Despite all the wonderful privileges and experiences Harry has had, I’m finding his life so far deeply sad because it is all experienced alongside the experience of losing his mother and living without her. Maybe things would have been different if he’d had someone to help him work through his grief at the time.
I wonder if Princess Diana had been accepted for who she was, given the respect she deserved, maybe the boys would have learned to respect and tolerate each other’s and their fathers’ differences. Charles was embarrassed by Princess Diana, William embarrassed by Harry etc…It just seems to be history repeating itself. At the moment, they all seem at fault at various stages in the same way that any family can be. I think Charles will want to sort it out. He comes across as an incredibly loving father in his own way.

What I mean is that I find it's laughable that people complain about inconsistencies in Harry's account when their own posts are inconsistent with facts.

Well, it kind of is. It says there’s structural racism in the monarchy and praises the Sussexes for standing up to it. But they say it isn’t racist.

Ok, here is an example …

Say a person has a brother who works for the police.

That same person goes on to say that racism is endemic in the uk and there is structural racism in the police force.

Is this the same as saying their brother is a racist?

This is a nice balanced summary and it’s more or less the opinion I hold as well based on the snippets I’ve heard of it.

I haven’t read it yet though so of course may change my mind. I pre-ordered it ages ago on audible, planning to listen to it soon.

I go between Team Harry and Team sick of all these Royals and their backstabbing, but either way I’m never on the side of William et al.

If all of them behave properly, no affairs , no drug taking, no sleeping with underage girls etc then the press would have no hold on them and there wouldn't be any leaking of stories in order to bribe the press to keep certain things secret.

’The media publish everything and anything to keep the hatred going to sell papers or get clicks’

Harry and Meghan wouldn’t dream of using the media to try and turn the public against their own families through their Netflix deals, book and interviews, you know, just so they can make themselves look like ‘poor little victims of everyone else’ and ‘Keep the hatred going’, especially of the RF 🙄

’Personally, the last people I would read about are those I don’t like’

Well good for you …. you’re limiting yourself a bit there aren’t you?
Funny how there’s literally thousands of books/ news articles written about not the nicest of people, yet you wouldn’t read anything unless you ‘liked’ the person. Ok then.

‘The press are manipulative’

And H and M aren’t? …… can you not see their manipulation of people like yourself, the general public?
For example, can you not see that they’ve allowed the general public to believe the RF are racist (remember the Oprah interview?), but now Harry is clearly back tracking by suddenly coming up with ‘unconscious bias’ and saying the RF isn’t racist and implying he never said they were?

He sat next to Meghan when she ‘tearfully’ (although there were no real tears) spoke to Oprah about how there was talk within the RF about the colour of their unborn baby’s skin, and watched how Oprah gasped in horror and disbelief, and he said NOTHING to defend his family and say something like ‘oh it wasn’t meant to come across in a racist way’

They both allowed the millions of people watching to falsely believe the RF are the lowest of the low, and you don’t think it’s THEM manipulating and gaslighting YOU?

I mean, come on, you don’t have to be the sharpest tool in the box to see that H and M are not very credible.

I think you need a little break from MN.

Discussing the inaccuracies PH has come up with is not hateful. The hateful narrative is getting rather tired.

After watching his interviews it’s clear he isn’t well emotionally or mentally.

His book sales are going to go well because people can’t believe he’s actually done this.

I think journalists should leave him alone now as giving him a platform is just stoking the interest and he is just providing salacious gossip against his family, which he thinks makes them look bad but quite the opposite.