Page 8 | Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

Butterflyfluff · 2023-01-15T20:13:55+00:00

And if so, how do you reconcile all the inconsistencies in his stories? Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF? I get there are people who are anti-royalist, but that doesn’t need to immediately translate to supporting H&M. If anything, their actions are making the monarchy stronger because he can’t prove anything and people have no idea what ‘leaks’ he’s actually referring to.

TicketMasterMind · 16/01/2023 11:39

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 11:34

There are inconsistencies in the book. However this is true of almost all people. It's particularly true of people who have suffered trauma.

You can look up experiments where they ask people to recall events and witnesses will have vastly different accounts of the same thing.

He says in several places in the book that his memory is patchy.

I don't see this as being dishonest. Who is he going to ask to corroborate those facts? Yes there should have been more fact checking by the editor but I don't think this makes him a cynical liar.

Agree.

“Recollections may vary”

So where does it go from here?

That everyone has their subjective truth and we all agree to disagree?

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 11:44

To an extent yes, and how Harry finds peace with that. He's not necessarily going to find that from Netflix.

But which airline it was etc is really not fundamental to the truth.

The part about hearing about the Queen Mother's death is interesting when he was obviously skiing and not at school. There must be a memory that he is confusing that with. Maybe Princess Margarets? She died the year before.

Memory and trauma is fascinating - what our brains remember and what they forget. That, in itself, is a truth even if it's not factually accurate.

I'm not saying facts don't matter however.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:51

How can you then defend him saying that he never said any of his family were racist?

Do you have his exact quote and source because I personally have only heard what was said via press?

I don't think that it stretches the imagination to be aware that racism is still a problem in the RF. as it is everywhere in the UK, too!

Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:53

And here we have more mental gymnastics. The institution and the family are synonymous. If the institution is racist ergo the family is. Whether individuals are or aren’t is a different issue.

Wrong. Ever heard the phrase 'Don't blame me, I never owned slaves'?

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 12:01

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:53

And here we have more mental gymnastics. The institution and the family are synonymous. If the institution is racist ergo the family is. Whether individuals are or aren’t is a different issue.

Wrong. Ever heard the phrase 'Don't blame me, I never owned slaves'?

Thanks for proving my point so well.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:02

I don't understand your point at all, actually.

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Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 12:16

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:51

How can you then defend him saying that he never said any of his family were racist?

Do you have his exact quote and source because I personally have only heard what was said via press?

I don't think that it stretches the imagination to be aware that racism is still a problem in the RF. as it is everywhere in the UK, too!

It was in the Tom Bradby interview - plenty of links if you google it.

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Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:20

As you can see though, Princess Michael and the notorious brooch are just one example of racism still being a problem there.

Do you not think that institutions should be held accountable for past oppressions? And work to make things better?

It most certainly isn't only the RF anyway. The UK itself is still shockingly racist.

jeffgoldblum · 16/01/2023 12:27

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:20

As you can see though, Princess Michael and the notorious brooch are just one example of racism still being a problem there.

Do you not think that institutions should be held accountable for past oppressions? And work to make things better?

It most certainly isn't only the RF anyway. The UK itself is still shockingly racist.

Princess Margaret is long dead! , that's princess Michael of Kent .

x2boys · 16/01/2023 12:27

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 11:44

To an extent yes, and how Harry finds peace with that. He's not necessarily going to find that from Netflix.

But which airline it was etc is really not fundamental to the truth.

The part about hearing about the Queen Mother's death is interesting when he was obviously skiing and not at school. There must be a memory that he is confusing that with. Maybe Princess Margarets? She died the year before.

Memory and trauma is fascinating - what our brains remember and what they forget. That, in itself, is a truth even if it's not factually accurate.

I'm not saying facts don't matter however.

Princess Margaret died about six weeks before the Queen mother ,he may well.have got the deaths confused to senior members of the family dying within such a short space of time.

x2boys · 16/01/2023 12:28

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Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 12:29

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:20

As you can see though, Princess Michael and the notorious brooch are just one example of racism still being a problem there.

Do you not think that institutions should be held accountable for past oppressions? And work to make things better?

It most certainly isn't only the RF anyway. The UK itself is still shockingly racist.

But the point is Harry is now saying he and Meghan never said anyone in the family was racist.

This is a very good summary of those events.

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Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:30

Princess Margaret is long dead! , that's princess Michael of Kent .

Yes, sorry I typed the wrong name 😳 point still stands though?

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 12:32

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:02

I don't understand your point at all, actually.

You’ve made that abundantly clear.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:32

But the point is Harry is now saying he and Meghan never said anyone in the family was racist.

I'll have to look at the interview.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:34

You’ve made that abundantly clear.

Because you haven't explained it properly. You seem to be saying that an institution can't be non racist without every individual within being non racist?

That isn't true, but it's the responsibility of all the people within. Even for things that happened historically.

JaneJeffer · 16/01/2023 12:39

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:06

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

Are you incapable of understanding that the royal family as an institution was historically racist, whilst also accepting that Harry and Meghan do not consider the Queen to have been a racist?

What's the award for then? For calling out historical racism? Harry said they're not racist.

Deeandra · 16/01/2023 12:39

Here, from the actual press release. No mention of the royal family. They mention racial justice.

Prince Harry and Meghan, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, have been named this year's Ripple of Hope Award laureates in recognition of their work on racial justice, mental health, and other social impact initiatives through their Archewell Foundation."

Oooh watch it @Mamma367 . Mustn't let facts get in the way of a good story!

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:39

The original racist comment concerning an individual was supposedly speculation by one royal about Archie's skin tone.

I don't think Harry has denied he said that?

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 12:42

Deeandra · 16/01/2023 12:39

Here, from the actual press release. No mention of the royal family. They mention racial justice.

Prince Harry and Meghan, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, have been named this year's Ripple of Hope Award laureates in recognition of their work on racial justice, mental health, and other social impact initiatives through their Archewell Foundation."

Oooh watch it @Mamma367 . Mustn't let facts get in the way of a good story!

But Kerry Kennedy has been widely reported to use the words quoted upthread. Are we just going to ignore inconvenient facts that don’t support our bias? Stupid question really.

Bestcatmum · 16/01/2023 12:42

I hate to say this because I don't believe in airing one's dirty laundry in public but before I read the book the media led me to believe he was a complete whiney, rich brat having a meltdown but after reading it I'm appalled about the untruths being reported and his point of view utterly distorted and the rascism they promote.
I think it should be illegal for the press to tell so many lies and mistruths that they ruin lives. Its disgusting. If they did that to me I would most certainly want to tell my side of the story too.

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Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 12:42

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 12:39

The original racist comment concerning an individual was supposedly speculation by one royal about Archie's skin tone.

I don't think Harry has denied he said that?

But he has denied he / they said it was it was racist

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derxa · 16/01/2023 12:52

Samcro · 16/01/2023 09:42

i am interested in PW assaulting PH. so he does this and posters on mn have lol and victim blamed. yet on most threads about any other topic, we are told violence is never the answer.

Were you there?

Deeandra · 16/01/2023 13:02

But Kerry Kennedy has been widely reported to use the words quoted upthread. Are we just going to ignore inconvenient facts that don’t support our bias? Stupid question really

Not at all. She says that it was structural racism and mental health. She also says that it was about going to "an institution " and challenging it.

When the invitation went to them to accept the award, did the invitation say 'please come and accept the award for challenging racism in your family' or did they say 'you're being awarded for your work in racial justice and mental health etc.' they said yes.

God forbid the stories that would have been sold if Harry and Megan had gone oh actually we're not going to accept it now you've done that interview Kelly Kennedy.

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 13:04

Deeandra · 16/01/2023 13:02

But Kerry Kennedy has been widely reported to use the words quoted upthread. Are we just going to ignore inconvenient facts that don’t support our bias? Stupid question really

Not at all. She says that it was structural racism and mental health. She also says that it was about going to "an institution " and challenging it.

When the invitation went to them to accept the award, did the invitation say 'please come and accept the award for challenging racism in your family' or did they say 'you're being awarded for your work in racial justice and mental health etc.' they said yes.

God forbid the stories that would have been sold if Harry and Megan had gone oh actually we're not going to accept it now you've done that interview Kelly Kennedy.

So which “institution” do we think she was referencing?