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Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

262 replies

Butterflyfluff · 15/01/2023 20:13

And if so, how do you reconcile all the inconsistencies in his stories?

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

I get there are people who are anti-royalist, but that doesn’t need to immediately translate to supporting H&M.

If anything, their actions are making the monarchy stronger because he can’t prove anything and people have no idea what ‘leaks’ he’s actually referring to.

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babsanderson · 16/01/2023 15:15

@ShamedBySiri Have you read the book? The Queen advised Meghan to get her hairdresser to practice with it beforehand as it could be tricky.
But Angela had to arrange its transport with security. She simply refused to do that. It was literally her job.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 15:16

That's just rubbish though, isn't it? Because it was AK's job to make sure they got the tiara and the Queen had explicitly said that it would need to be tried on well in advance of the wedding.

They certainly didn't just 'snap their fingers' according to Harry. He just asked when it would be possible to get it and eventually wondered whether it would be delivered at all.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 15:17

Sorry that was to @ShamedBySiri

ShamedBySiri · 16/01/2023 15:20

I think AK's version of events will be very interesting to hear, and I will be inclined to believe hers when she writes her next book.

Who said The Queen said it should be tried on? Or that it was AK's job to facilitate this? Maybe she was busy attending to The Queen?

derxa · 16/01/2023 15:24

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 15:06

Yes, and it was about William attacking him. Since you commented asking if another poster was there, I assume you're either of the opinion that it didn't happen at all or if it did, Harry was violent as well or possibly instigated it?

I mean the point of the story was to show the 'man I have become' according to Harry. The peace loving new man who wears a necklace with pictures of his baby's scan.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 15:26

derxa · 16/01/2023 15:24

I mean the point of the story was to show the 'man I have become' according to Harry. The peace loving new man who wears a necklace with pictures of his baby's scan.

None of which is relevant to the fact that William attacked him. Which you don't believe, i take it?

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 15:31

@derxa Your first response to Samcro commenting about William attacking Harry was "were you there?". You then go on to say only Harry and William were there, Harry is economical with the truth, the point of the story's inclusion was to show Harry's growth etc. But you haven't come out and said you don't believe it. Why are you skirting round that?

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 15:39

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 14:01

The problem here is that a lot of people get very uppity about someone being accused of racism.

The reality is that most white people will have been racist at some time. Because white supremacy still pervades everything.

“Uppity”? What an incredibly racist term that is.

HolidayHideaway · 16/01/2023 15:49

@Blossomtoes Harry uses this word, which is why others are repeating it I think: 'They [the papers] portrayed Meg as pushy, , ignorant of royal protocol' .

The next day: Crikey, she shut her own car door again! ( Meghan.)

It seems no one called her this directly? Harry is imagining their thoughts.

Roussette · 16/01/2023 15:49

ShamedBySiri · 16/01/2023 15:20

I think AK's version of events will be very interesting to hear, and I will be inclined to believe hers when she writes her next book.

Who said The Queen said it should be tried on? Or that it was AK's job to facilitate this? Maybe she was busy attending to The Queen?

If you've read the book you would know the answer to all of this. It's in the book that Angela Kelly would be facilitating the release of the tiara to practice on with the hairdresser, and that the Queen told them that is what they should do. The Queen showed them 5 tiaras, and they chose a particular one, and she said to make sure they tried it on with the hairdresser.

They then asked AK about four times if they could have it for a practice, and it didn't happen until the very last minute.

Cue posters saying Harry is making this up. I need to put that at the bottom of every post I do from the book. So there's no need to say that, I've said it for anyone that wants to!

Dobby123456 · 16/01/2023 15:50

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 15:39

“Uppity”? What an incredibly racist term that is.

People get 'upset' (I think that's what the poster means?) when they're accused of racism because it's about as acceptable in our society as peodophila. Meghan was very clear - she believed her children were being denied titles and security because they were second-class based on their race. If that's true, it's just not acceptable.

For them to drop that bombshell on Oprah and then claim that they were surprised by the amount of attention that it got - that doesn't make any sense. For Harry to say now that it's not 'racism', it's 'unconscious bias', there are only two reasons I can think of for that. a) they misrepresented and now feel guilty b) he wants to talk about racism in his family, but can't really accept it as racism because it's too close to home. Either way, he hasn't thought carefully enough about what he's doing before making things public, and that's just irresponsible.

HolidayHideaway · 16/01/2023 15:50

@Blossomtoes The word comes after Pushy and before Meghan.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 15:51

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 15:39

“Uppity”? What an incredibly racist term that is.

It's not a racist term per se. It has a history of being used in a racist way in the US against African American people. Not really the context here, in fact quite the opposite. And it's only really acquired racist connotations in the UK by osmosis from the US, we don't have the same history with that particular term. But certainly there's no historical context of a majority white population being described as uppity in a racist way.

derxa · 16/01/2023 15:52

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 15:31

@derxa Your first response to Samcro commenting about William attacking Harry was "were you there?". You then go on to say only Harry and William were there, Harry is economical with the truth, the point of the story's inclusion was to show Harry's growth etc. But you haven't come out and said you don't believe it. Why are you skirting round that?

There is a kernel of truth in it no doubt. Like all of Harry's stories.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 16:06

derxa · 16/01/2023 15:52

There is a kernel of truth in it no doubt. Like all of Harry's stories.

Hmm, I think it's pretty clear cut if William pushed him over, broke his necklace and Harry had scrapes and bruises on his back. Or he didn't. It's not really a sliding scale situation, is it? Where's the potential misunderstanding padding out this kernel of truth?

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 16:11

It's not that 'uppity' is a racist word per se, but that it's used, along with 'pushy' 'difficult' and 'aggressive' to describe women of colour behaving assertively.

Ohgodthepain · 16/01/2023 16:18

I wonder if Harry was goading William , threatening to spill some secret to the press, William lost it and pushed him over. It's no excuse though .

Although I don't believe the dog bowl broke as there's photos showing metal dog bowls in Harry's house.

browlow · 16/01/2023 16:33

@Loveisloveis

horseshit to most white people have been racist!

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 16:35

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 16:11

It's not that 'uppity' is a racist word per se, but that it's used, along with 'pushy' 'difficult' and 'aggressive' to describe women of colour behaving assertively.

Yes - not at all the context @Loveisloveis was using it.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 16:37

Ohgodthepain · 16/01/2023 16:18

I wonder if Harry was goading William , threatening to spill some secret to the press, William lost it and pushed him over. It's no excuse though .

Although I don't believe the dog bowl broke as there's photos showing metal dog bowls in Harry's house.

Is it beyond the scope of people's imagination that there might be more than one dog bowl? I mean I have a couple that are metal and a couple that are china for my cat.

babsanderson · 16/01/2023 16:38

Grin That is obviously too simple an explanation.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 16:40

babsanderson · 16/01/2023 16:38

Grin That is obviously too simple an explanation.

GrinGrin

Sorry to be terse but the amateur detectives drive me a bit mad!

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/01/2023 16:57

@derxa what did you mean by a kernel of truth? Do you think it happened or not?

GargleGargoyle · 16/01/2023 17:00

Seems to me that it's not about taking sides. More that Harry appears to be telling his story to all and sundry in order to 'heal' himself.

It's a great shame those around him haven't strongly advised him against it.

This kind of stuff should be kept for his counsellor to unpick, not the world's media.

I wonder how this will affect his mental health in the future. Will he ever get over it? Will he go further downhill?

I think it's sad for all concerned.

DemBonesDemBones · 16/01/2023 17:01

Just finished his book. Me, 100%