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Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

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Butterflyfluff · 15/01/2023 20:13

And if so, how do you reconcile all the inconsistencies in his stories?

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

I get there are people who are anti-royalist, but that doesn’t need to immediately translate to supporting H&M.

If anything, their actions are making the monarchy stronger because he can’t prove anything and people have no idea what ‘leaks’ he’s actually referring to.

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misslonglegs · 16/01/2023 06:43

Mamma367 · 15/01/2023 23:00

I think it's this type of comment that makes me sympathise with them more. I'm just answering your question:

"Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?"

It's not deflection, it's in the definition. Structural racism is not personal or about families, it's built into the system. You (and the media, I didn't try to read all of it) are making the link between the comment on his child and this award. If you are going to pick at everything he's said, be prepared for others to pick at your inconsistencies too.

You also use such emotive language too on his behalf like "desperate attempts to backpedal" to make your point. It's why I can't take the level of argument seriously on this board - the level of projection and betrayal people are personally feeling. It's very entertaining and I find myself agreeing with them about the media, the influence it has on people, and why they feel the need to stand up to them.

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Black academics have felt let down with Harry’s back pedalling and his personal view of what is racism and what is unconscious bias.

They had supported PH for standing up to racism in the RF only to feel betrayed by him suddenly try to change the definitions of what racism is to him

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hoooops · 16/01/2023 08:16

That same person goes on to say that racism is endemic in the uk and there is structural racism in the police force.*
Is this the same as saying their brother is a racist?*

No - but tbf the royal family is a somewhat smaller organisation than the police and Harry and Meghan were talking about it as insiders. They described an individual who had "concerns" about Archie's skin colour and they suggested that he was being denied his rightful titles because he was too dark. Oprah asked - are you saying it would have been a problem for them if Archie was too brown? And Meghan said she thought that was correct, yes. They are not describing unconscious bias, it's blatant racism and discrimination. They were not making a point about structural racism in the UK. 😂

Anyway, even if they were, surely there can't be structural racism in an organisation if no one in it is racist. (Unless they are talking about Harry himself of course.)

So, amusing as it is to watch the H+M supporters tie themselves in knots defending this accusation of racism that they left unchallenged for two years before denying it - "saying there is structural racism in an organisation is not the same as saying that an organisation has racists in it"...
I don't think you're quite there yet.

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 08:26

I've just finished the book.

I have a lot of compassion for Harry. He is clearly damaged but I think he's essentially a good person. He's certainly not perfect.

He talks about his family with a lot of warmth and love. Prince Charles comes across as someone who has tried his best. He certainly doesn't come across as cold and cruel as Prince Charles described Prince Philip in his own book.

Yes he's said things that make William look bad, but there's also a lot of love there too. And he believes his Dad and brother betray him regularly to the press so I doubt he views this book as a bigger betrayal, just setting the record straight.

Harry's main target in the book is the press. They're behaviour has made his life a misery. It's no wonder they are out to destroy him.

I'm not entirely sure the book was a good idea, but it's a completely different book to the one you've read about in the paper.

debbrianna · 16/01/2023 08:32

hoooops · 16/01/2023 08:16

That same person goes on to say that racism is endemic in the uk and there is structural racism in the police force.*
Is this the same as saying their brother is a racist?*

No - but tbf the royal family is a somewhat smaller organisation than the police and Harry and Meghan were talking about it as insiders. They described an individual who had "concerns" about Archie's skin colour and they suggested that he was being denied his rightful titles because he was too dark. Oprah asked - are you saying it would have been a problem for them if Archie was too brown? And Meghan said she thought that was correct, yes. They are not describing unconscious bias, it's blatant racism and discrimination. They were not making a point about structural racism in the UK. 😂

Anyway, even if they were, surely there can't be structural racism in an organisation if no one in it is racist. (Unless they are talking about Harry himself of course.)

So, amusing as it is to watch the H+M supporters tie themselves in knots defending this accusation of racism that they left unchallenged for two years before denying it - "saying there is structural racism in an organisation is not the same as saying that an organisation has racists in it"...
I don't think you're quite there yet.

It's interesting now people peoplebare saying this is racism inorder to speak against Harry. When this was brought up, the majority of mm agreed everyone talks about skin and how the baby will look like. It a joyful seeing the almost unedired text being being used which now has the word "concern". Previously it was being commuted from conversation because it did not fit the narrative .

Anyway, in the Netflix doc, Harry does state he will not reveal who said it or heard concern about their son's skin colour. To me this states that they understand that it was said in bad taste/racially motivated. I also think Meghan understood the magnitude of it but Harry didn't. There is a huge difference between having concern and just talk about DNA and science.

I love seeing how mm twists and turn on topics.

browlow · 16/01/2023 08:44

Enormous sympathy for Harry . As a boy and as a man.

Now, post "Spare" I think he is a nasty, vindictive and spoilt man child.

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Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 09:06

Even if you somehow manage the mental gymnastics required to conclude that Harry never said anyone in the RF was racist and the award was nothing to do with that, I still don’t understand how anyone can defend Harry selling his story now.

How is that not far worse than anything he’s accused (largely without actual examples) anyone in the RF of?

I understand his hatred of the media but it is not them he’s demanding apologies from.

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LexMitior · 16/01/2023 09:21

They are all slightly messed up rich people.

Morally suspect. I like how Harry gets it in the neck but Andrew is just skipping about sans comment. Tells you everything about the UK really.

I hope he builds a better life outside of RF. They are special only to the degree people give them that status. I'd hope that he goes on to a life of proper achievement.

TicketMasterMind · 16/01/2023 09:24

mammymums · 15/01/2023 20:34

I support Harry Fully and there are many like myself out there. The stats for his book sale is evident of his support. Unfortunately the kind,compassionate people like myself don't see the need to express ourselves in social media unlike the hateful people. How do people live with themselves?

Unfortunately the kind,compassionate people like myself don't see the need to express ourselves in social media unlike the hateful people. How do people live with themselves?

Thats exactly how I feel about PH.

Samcro · 16/01/2023 09:42

i am interested in PW assaulting PH. so he does this and posters on mn have lol and victim blamed. yet on most threads about any other topic, we are told violence is never the answer.

Roussette · 16/01/2023 10:17

Ahhh but you know @Samcro posters will be saying
he made it up
it didn't happen
he's exaggerating
Not surprised W lost his temper with him
It's only his side of the story (true) and obviously he's lying (not true necessarily)

and I even heard
'the kitchen was too small for that to have happened'. Honestly! I can only presume the poster in question had been inside the house to state this 🤣

bakalava · 16/01/2023 10:29

So, no rational arguments presented in favour of supporting them based on the replies so far 🤔

Mamma367 · 16/01/2023 10:48

bakalava · 16/01/2023 10:29

So, no rational arguments presented in favour of supporting them based on the replies so far 🤔

Well I don't think it's actually rational to support either side because no one knows all the facts. I can't say I have seen anything approaching rational from those who are resolutely against them.

But the fact that the media behaved appallingly to Meghan is agreed on by many.

And I think Harry has a right to stand up for himself. Maybe it's ill advised but it's his life.

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 10:52

Andrew is just skipping about sans comment.

Oh please. He’s been quite rightly ripped to shreds in mainstream and social media.

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:01

Have any of you actually read his book?? I'm telling you, it's eye opening. I'm listening to him read it on Audible and he gets choked up at times.

All of the stuff that caused all the rows was the fault of the courtiers - nasty, nasty people stirring up trouble between the Cambridge and Sussex staff.

Meghan sounds like a really nice person, actually. She's given him the warmth that he didn't get from his own family.

The other thing to bear in mind is that he doesn't 'slag off' the royal family. He speaks very fondly of his dad, the Queen (who sounds very nice and kind actually - I don't think we have ever heard about what she's like in person).

The stuff with William comes from the rivalry of how they are placed in the RF and the pecking order. I don't even think he blames William for it.

Badbadbunny · 16/01/2023 11:03

Nanalisa60 · 15/01/2023 20:36

Yes Meghan

Not for long when the money runs out!

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:06

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

Are you incapable of understanding that the royal family as an institution was historically racist, whilst also accepting that Harry and Meghan do not consider the Queen to have been a racist?

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2023 11:12

You’ve read a different book to me @Loveisloveis.

And here we have more mental gymnastics. The institution and the family are synonymous. If the institution is racist ergo the family is. Whether individuals are or aren’t is a different issue.

PadreIsland · 16/01/2023 11:17

It’s ridiculous to take sides when we don’t know these people. However, my sympathy is mainly with Harry and Meghan. The RF board doesn’t seem to represent the opinions of people I know in real life. In real life, people seem not to be full of hatred for either ‘side’.

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Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 11:19

Anon778833 · 16/01/2023 11:06

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

Are you incapable of understanding that the royal family as an institution was historically racist, whilst also accepting that Harry and Meghan do not consider the Queen to have been a racist?

But this is just about the Queen.

H&M let everyone think, for 2 years after the Oprah interview, that someone in the RF had made comments about the colour of Archie’s skin, that can only be construed as being racist.

How can you then defend him saying that he never said any of his family were racist?

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Butterflyfluff · 16/01/2023 11:24

^^ Isn’t just about the Queen

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WinnieTheW0rm · 16/01/2023 11:31

The number of inconsistencies you refer to in the book is a handful and are parroted here over and over - does that mean the rest of the book is truth?

It does indeed mean that it cannot be relied on to be true

DerangedViper · 16/01/2023 11:32

PadreIsland · 16/01/2023 11:17

It’s ridiculous to take sides when we don’t know these people. However, my sympathy is mainly with Harry and Meghan. The RF board doesn’t seem to represent the opinions of people I know in real life. In real life, people seem not to be full of hatred for either ‘side’.

Perhaps that's because people don't fit tidily into "sides"

fruitstick · 16/01/2023 11:34

There are inconsistencies in the book. However this is true of almost all people. It's particularly true of people who have suffered trauma.

You can look up experiments where they ask people to recall events and witnesses will have vastly different accounts of the same thing.

He says in several places in the book that his memory is patchy.

I don't see this as being dishonest. Who is he going to ask to corroborate those facts? Yes there should have been more fact checking by the editor but I don't think this makes him a cynical liar.