Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

[Butterflyfluff]

And if so, how do you reconcile all the inconsistencies in his stories?

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

I get there are people who are anti-royalist, but that doesn’t need to immediately translate to supporting H&M.

If anything, their actions are making the monarchy stronger because he can’t prove anything and people have no idea what ‘leaks’ he’s actually referring to.

I already linked the relevant bit at 21.42, NCGrandParent - the rest of Kerry Kennedy's remarks are in this: people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-receiving-award-for-heroic-stand-structural-racism-monarchy-kerry-kennedy/

I find the fact that he is taking on the press and challenging the way his family works far more compelling than any gossip about his character or whether he did this or that

Yes very brave man.

Do you know anyone was complicit in Clarkson's article? You can obviously make stuff up but it doesn't make it true.

Perhaps Omid Scobie is leaking stuff for the Sussexes. Who knows?

Harry and Meghan have produced hours of content for public consumption, it would be surprising if people don't pay attention and perhaps find some of it wanting.

M &H are having the longest temper tantrum in history because they didn't get their own way. Also like toddlers they have no insite snd zero empathy. Bore off please the pair of you

I am not on any ‘side’ because it’s not my family. It’s also not a football match or a war. Level headed adults are able to take everything in and take the view that it’s all rather complicated and anyway there is so much we don’t know.

I’m not ‘against’ Harry though. Anyone who bothered to read the whole book will have discovered that he is a thoughtful and articulate person who has suffered a lot mentally. I also have sympathy and understanding for other members of his family.

www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/robert-f-kennedy-human-rights-announces-the-duke-and-duchess-of-sussex-as-recipients-of-the-2022-ripple-of-hope-award-301646380.html

Here, from the actual press release. No mention of the royal family. They mention racial justice.

"Prince Harry and Meghan, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, have been named this year's Ripple of Hope Award laureates in recognition of their work on racial justice, mental health, and other social impact initiatives through their Archewell Foundation."

"The couple has always stood out for their willingness to speak up and change the narrative on racial justice and mental health around the world,"

"The Robert F. Kennedy Ripple of Hope Award has honored exemplary leaders across government, business, advocacy, and entertainment who have demonstrated an unwavering commitment to social change and worked to protect and advance equity, justice, and human rights.

Prince Harry and Meghan, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, have demonstrated a lifelong commitment to building strong and equitable communities, advancing the global dialogue around mental health, and advocating for a better world – both on and offline. They co-founded Archewell Foundation in 2020 with a mission to uplift and unite communities. In a short time, they have done so in remarkable ways: from supporting Afghan refugees seeking resettlement to uplifting families in the United States in need of paid parental leave; investing in organizations working in Ukraine, to partnering with the NAACP to create the first-ever Digital Civil Rights Award; working with the World Health Organization, People's Vaccine and Global Citizen to champion vaccine access globally, to raising funds to purchase doses for frontline health workers; among many other initiatives."

When H&M first got together I couldn’t have really cared less other than a general ‘oh she was on Suits’. Then as they got engaged and married I felt genuine happiness for them both. Particularly Harry who seemed besotted.

The events that made me begin to question the both of them (debates with the Queen about where they were living, the tiara, the obvious dislike that Charlotte had for M) have all been verified as true by H. He hasn’t denied any of the stories we’re true, just put a different spin on them. Now the truth is undoubtedly somewhere in the middle.

However, someone who blames everyone else for every instance they were caught doing the wrong thing, isn’t taking any responsibility for their own actions. E.g. the Nazi fancy dress debacle was W&K’s fault as he phoned them to check if it was funny?! Laughing at Pat the matron was to bring himself and his friends a bit of happiness after his awful time when his mother died. It just seems like he has a blinkered view of the world. If he does it, it’s ok as there were reasons behind it. Everyone else should know better and be made to apologise. It just doesn’t ring true.

They left the RF as a direct consequence of being told they couldn’t have a half in, half out role. They were happy to keep living among the racist, bullying family (according to them) and still have the same level of media attention. If the Queen had agreed, they’d still be here.

The jumped the gun on their press release announcing they were leaving and I think they honestly believed they’d land on their feet doing things like the dinner speech circuit. However COVID left that dead in the water. They needed to strike a deal while they were a hot commodity. Unfortunately the deals they got were dependent on the only story they had to tell.

The A-lister friends they made and who were praising them online for leaving the RF have been conspicuously absent in their praise for his book release. The likes of George Clooney who are famously protective of their privacy, probably won’t want to chance a friendship with a couple who could do the same to them.

@lala1302

Is Harry being kind, giving away personal details about his brother and father?
Is he?

Is he in the right about every single thing that's ever happened in his life?

I would not dream of picking a side. It's perfectly possible to enjoy the sheer ridiculousness of it all without coming to a conclusion about who is the most absurd/entitled/unhinged of the whole obnoxious bunch.

I'm on his side. It's no secret that the RF are not particularly nice people behind closed doors and are quite cold. Everyone who marries into them has struggled and said so. As someone who's also lost their mother I hugely sympthaise with Harry. He never got the chance to fully grieve and now this is a classic case of his trauma playing out and I feel deeply sorry for him. I lost my mother as an adult and she was the closest person on this planet to me, I couldn't imagine going through that as kid. And everyone keeps pointing out these "inconsistenties" but fail to address the CONSTANT lies printed by the press on a continual basis. Noones innocent in this, and everyone has had a part to play. But the way everyone is attacking Harry and Meghan as if they've killed someone is highly unfair. Families have conflict and disagreements all the time. If this is his way to heal and deal with things, let him. It's not like he's actually hurting anyone like *cough cough Prince Andrew or Prince Charles. All Harry is doing is telling his side of events which imo he has a right to do.

Yet that's what you're doing here!

I'm not team Harry or the RF. Harry shows an incredible lack of self awareness. The RF come across as very cold.
The H&M haters just come across as deranged. With all the actual awful people in the world I cant imagine getting my knickers in a twist over H or M.

Honestly, he could have done worse. He's just exposed how weird the whole set up is in the UK.

Is he annoying, well yea. But he's at least a bit self aware. Hope he finds a purpose in life away from talking about the Royal Family, however

From your link ""They went to the oldest institution in U.K. history and told them what they were doing wrong, that they couldn't have structural racism within the institution"

Structural racism of an institution is quite different though. This doesn't refer personally to members of the RF, it's referring either to the institution surrounding the RF, or the media, or probably both.

This is how I’m starting to feel too!

I agree with all of this. It's also very difficult to take what they say at face value when they are known to embellish and dramatise the truth.

I think he is in constant victim mode and everything is someone else's fault. Hes clearly been through some difficult things but havent most of us?

When people are dealing with chronic health problems, cost of living crisis, their own mental health issues etc. it's hard to feel much sympathy for a millionaire prince complaining about which diamond tiara his wife was leant for their wedding.

I'm too much a child of the 90s for this conversation. Every single time I think we're talking about Harry Potter. Every time, and I don't even really like Harry Potter now that I'm an adult. I wanted to know if we're now on Voldermort's side. I wonder if Spare 2 and the discussion that generates will finally displace my Harry associations....

Everyone keeps pointing out these "inconsistenties" but fail to address the CONSTANT lies printed by the press on a continual basis

Not quite everyone, Pinky1011; some of us comment on both Harry's "inaccuracies" and the filthiness of the media. We even remark on the undoubted ghastliness of the royal institution, though we're still waiting for an explanation of why H&M wanted to remain part of this when it had almost driven Meghan to suicide

Structural racism of an institution is quite different though

Nice try at deflection, Mamma367, but you forgot to include the clear implication that an unnamed someone in the RF had been racist about Archie - which isn't changed by Harry's desperate attempts to backpedal

I genuinely, truly don’t understand how some people care about this so much. It’s genuinely baffling to me.

Agreed

the thing is once you start telling lies it becomes very difficult to keep track , and it spirals. As we see with harry and Meghan , multiple easy to spot major inconsistencies or down right untruths . And when you know so much of it is not factual then how do you convince yourself other parts are true? Any application of critical thinking would have you uncertain.

harry addressed it and said it was his truth and not always the factual truth . It’s what he has made up and believes in his head.

like getting an Xbox at 13, 4 years before they were released, or a courtier telling him the queen mum died when he was at school. When he was actually skiing with his father at the time, or Meghan saying they were married before and the archbishop having to put out a statement saying it wasn’t true, or that they had no security when the Canadians were paying for round the clock security and also Charles paying private security, like omitting to say the reason they got to stay in Tyler perrys house was due to his close relationship with Oprah, she’s godmother to his son and was part of the interview deal. Or Meghan saying the royal had questioned Archie’s skin colour when she was pregnant and harry promptly saying it was at rhe start of the relationship, or Meghan telling us she did a mock theatrical curtsy to the queen, when we know she didn’t and knows how to curtsy, complaining Meghan couldn’t get therapy when harry has his therapist in speed dial and Sophie was in therapy after her child was born,.

it’s all so so much bullshit , that how can you for sure believe any of the other stuff.

Not on his side as such, but can see what is happening here is a trauma response so feel sad for him. The fact that nobody has been able to stop this and protect him from himself is also sad.

Do you know anyone was complicit in Clarkson's article? You can obviously make stuff up but it doesn't make it true.

Well, I know the RF haven't made a statement about it, which they could and should have done. If only for PR reasons! There were tens of thousands of complaints from the public about it, everyone felt he had gone too far. A well-crafted statement from the Palace was very much in order. And Camilla is good friends with Clarkson and has publicly associated with him, including on a television programme where they discussed their friendship.

So yes, there is complicity - whatever they may feel privately, this was a high profile opportunity to call for an end to the vitriol against "much loved family members".

Summersolargirl

when you lay it all out like that, wow!

The thing is once you start telling lies it becomes very difficult to keep track , and it spirals

Absolutely - and not helped by Harry's ridiculous comments about his curated memories being as valid as "so called objective truth"

A "brave man" (as he's been called) might just have the integrity to own that he's as capable of making mistakes as the rest of us, but sadly it's simply not there