Is there anyone out there who is still on Harry’s side?

[Butterflyfluff]

And if so, how do you reconcile all the inconsistencies in his stories?

Most specifically him saying they never said the RF was racist, despite accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF?

I get there are people who are anti-royalist, but that doesn’t need to immediately translate to supporting H&M.

If anything, their actions are making the monarchy stronger because he can’t prove anything and people have no idea what ‘leaks’ he’s actually referring to.

Crikey, there are far, far more nasty comments aimed at Harry and Meghan on this forum, since well before the Oprah interview, book or anything else. People are also allowed to express an opinion about William and Kate.
And you keep bringing up some batshit Tweet about William and asking posters to denounce it, I highly doubt anyone on here is associated with or even aware of it. There are weirdos on both 'sides'.

@Butterflyfluff

amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/15/spare-by-prince-harry-review-dry-your-eyes-mate

op, looks like the paper they leaked to hoping it would be sympathetic, wasn’t very impressed either

The hypocrisy here is astounding. “Be kind” and “compassion” - and then in the same breath making nasty comments about William/Kate etc.

And the usual guff about Harry having to flee the rf, completely forgetting the SussexRoyal interlude where they wanted to do all the sexy bits of royalling and were very much “in”.

It’s silly too to say “Team Harry - always was always will.” He’s not a pop star fgs.

I really hope some of these posters never get to do jury service if they refuse to weigh up evidence but just have a pre-determined view. Look what happened with OJ Simpson….

The book and accompanying interviews have put me off Harry a bit as he seems unable or unwilling to think about anyone else's perspective. But he's just a human being, with good and bad qualities, who has had a very odd and tubulent upbringing by most people's standards. I'm not against anyone really, I like having the royal family by and large, but would like to see them make some significant changes. I also support Harry and Meghan and think they've had a lot to cope with.

That review is absolute gold.

the award nothing to do with the RF

So why did Kerry Kennedy say "They went to the oldest institution in U.K. history and told them what they were doing wrong, that they couldn't have structural racism within the institution ..."?

There are many pretty horrible posts about Kate and William on some of these threads. People can express opinions but those who criticise Harry and Meghan are exhorted to 'be kind'. Posters on this thread are talking about people spewing vile things about Harry and Meghan as if the behaviour is one sided.

As far as the 'batshit tweet ' goes, (it wasn't a tweet, it was batshit) I was just wondering how the posters who accuse people of 'spewing' against Harry and Meghan feel about some of the nasty things posted about other family members, very likely incited by things said by Harry and Meghan themselves.

It made me titter 🤭

The article not the tweet! I’m not familiar with the tweet being discussed

I have intelligent, kind, funny American friends who think the Crown is a fucking documentary and that all Brits are racist.

Then there are the Brits who think he’s “clever and insightful”.

The mind truly boggles.

They have pretty much got the measure of all this

I think you misunderstand what structural racism means.

I was genuinely surprised by the content about the Commonwealth and the media in their documentary - I honestly didn’t expect that level of awareness from a ‘Prince’( that’s my own prejudice showing).

Everything they do and say is perceived through our own lenses and the way we view the world.

The recent award they received was given for their continued activism in racial equality and mental health.

Could there have been more deserving winners- very likely. Has anyone from such an incredibly privileged background ever pulled the curtain back to shed a spotlight on the ways in which uk institutions perpetuate inequality? Not that I’m aware of.

It’s bigger than the comment Meghan spoke about in the Oprah interview 🙄

Much of what I’ve seen and heard from Harry is his criticism of the media. Quite rightly too. Their behaviour is appalling, and has been for years. I can’t imagine how awful that is to live with. This was his time to put his own story on the record.

This is no ordinary family. It’s corrupt. They are fearful of the media. Scared of stories coming out, so leaking info that suits them. I truly believe this is the case.
I am on Harry’s ‘side’.
You haters can keep on hating, but all you’re doing is playing into the hands of the media. They have orchestrated this whole fiasco. Harry has stood up to them, and they hate him for it. They will never forgive him.

Funny how most of his interviews include a huge amount of what they have gone through because of the media but you never see that dissected on the news, do you?? It’s not mentioned at all. The press are manipulative.

They are manipulating all the Harry haters, and you can’t even see it.

I don’t usually post on these H and M threads, and I’m sure lots of people like me don’t. I guess people that do post negative comments about them enjoy it. It’s become a sport. I just usually look at the title and think how awful that people can be so vile about someone they don’t even know.

If you can’t say anything nice, maybe don’t say anything at all.

Please be kind.

Advancing their own careers, exploiting family feuds and petty gossip, normalising drug and alcohol use - whilst living in the lap of luxury - not my idea of a role model

'If you can’t say anything nice, maybe don’t say anything at all.

Please be kind.'

Did you send that message to Harry? If so, I don't think he received it.

Calling people haterz then telling them not to say anything if it’s not nice 🤭

@Butterflyfluff can you quote where it says the award was connected to fighting racism in the Royal family. I couldn't see it linked in that article or on the awards page?

I'm feeling a teensy but sorry for Meghan. She's unleashed a monster and now she has to live with it. All that bitterness and rage, raking over every tiny slight since forever. "I had the smallest bedroom" Waah.

@Butterflyfluff

i also found the opal fruit / sugar hit story illuminating, and was glad the guardian review picked it up too! Think he’s still taking drugs. His reaction to when the interviewer asked him if he could understand why a working royal in line to the throne taking illegal substances was in the public interest - Harry’s reaction said it all. No self awareness.

Google it - there hundreds of links - pick the one you might believe

@Cherrysherbet yep, I agree with a lot of what you've said there. What I still can't get my head round is how hateful people are towards H and M and I still haven't heard a valid reason for this level of hatred...probably because most of them don't know why they feel this way, the press has done its job there.

Well the fact that they are "accepting an award for fighting racism in the RF" as you say is wrong. OP can you admit this inconsistency in your post?

I can understand why Harry wants to put his side of the story across. The number of inconsistencies you refer to in the book is a handful and are parroted here over and over - does that mean the rest of the book is truth? It irritates me the way some people pick and choose, complaining x is inconsistent, but he revealed this about y, how dare he! And all while refusing to read the book, just going by media reports of if. 🙄🙄🙄 People's reactions here are fuelled by hatred of someone they have never met, that they only know through the media. It's quite sad.

My thoughts are that the book is probably a mixture of fact and his truth. And that because it's very raw he probably should have let time pass to gain some perspective. But perhaps he needed the catharsis, it's not surprising after all rubbish he has been through. Maybe they are both self-absorbed and narcissistic, I don't know them. But you can be that and also speak truths too.

And the fact that his wife was subject to awful treatment by the media is not disputed. Really, no one should be just told to put up with that. The excessive and obsessive negative commentary here on this board just makes me sympathise with them more.

There really aren't many horrible posts about Kate and William. I've seen a few I think are unacceptable and unkind, and some that are critical in a moderate way. And plenty that are neutral or positive.

The criticism and nastiness about Harry and Meghan has been relentless though - even the owner of mumsnet has recently commented on it. It comes across as if you don't see that and think you're comparing like with like. And I don't think they (Harry and Meghan) have incited comments like the one you keep mentioning. Have you accused the royal family of inciting or being complicit in the recent Jeremy Clarkson article about Meghan? Because that's a far closer association and those comments were made in a national newspaper.

Breath of fresh air
haterz
be kind
all the press is evil (but not when Harry uses it or when they publish articles he likes)

like playing bingo 🤭

H is holding up a mirror showing:

The cesspit that is the tabloid press
How the Windsor family is operating the monarchy

Both are very worthy topics for debate. Harry himself is partly a product of both those two items. I find the fact that he is taking on the press and challenging the way his family works far more compelling than any gossip about his character or whether he did this or that.

Funny how most of his interviews include a huge amount of what they have gone through because of the media but you never see that dissected on the news, do you?? It’s not mentioned at all. The press are manipulative.
So true. For example this weekend the FT ran two lengthy articles about the book and the general controversy. Zero self-reflection about the role of the press. Disappointing and hypocritical.