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Just finished 'Spare'...

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HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 14/01/2023 22:02

… and I encourage anyone who’s even vaguely interested in this story to give it a read. Especially if what’s been leaked has made you at all angry, because I think in context everything makes a lot of sense.

I wasn’t a Harry and Meghan hater before reading this, but I wasn’t a fan girl either. Like many Brits, I find a lot of Americans- especially West Coast Americans- quite irritating and Meghan firmly falls into that camp for me. I’m sure she’s nice enough, but she’s very American and very perky and much like Wednesday Addams, I don’t do perky. However, I suspect that her intentions and generally good and that like most of us she’s got good and bad qualities. She’s clearly ambitious and I think that she probably initially dated Harry based on that ambition and on getting a platform, although I think that she genuinely loves him now.

The ghost writer has done a great job at capturing Harry’s personality I think; he comes across as introspective and thoughtful but funny and bright.

I think that Harry has a good soul; I think that he’s kind and has had a hard time of it growing up. I also think he’s a bit clueless and naive and has been in a bubble, but I think he acknowledges that and wants to understand and change. Undoubtedly losing his mother at the age he was had more of an outward impact on him than it had on William. He’s also been a victim of his dad’s wishywashy parenting. It sounds like- and looks like to me from my vantage point as a normal citizen who knows bugger all except what I’ve seen in the media- that Charles has been there for his kids to an extent, but not in a hands on or especially useful way. It also seems clear that Charles has always put Camilla first. From almost the moment Diana died it seems that he wanted, above everything else, to rehabilitate Camilla’s image so that they could marry. I think that he put that above being a father and the way Harry writes about their relationship makes that clear too.

I also think that it’s suited the palace to portray Harry as dimwitted and feckless to show William in a better light and that Harry has every right to be angry about that and not want to play that game anymore (and to call it out now). Especially as it’s obvious that the palace haven’t kept up their side of the bargain and protected Harry from the media in return.

I also think that the media have treated H and M poorly and it’s clearly the case that the palace has used them and news stories about them to divert from other newsworthy problems… certainly Prince Andrew, perhaps William’s affair/s. Is Harry overly jumpy about the media and the paparazzi in particular? Yes, of course. Who wouldn’t be with his background. But they’ve also obviously been hounded and harassed.

I do think that Harry is on a journey that he isn’t at the end of yet, but I think that he realises that too. I think that he was always going to leave the royal family and that Meghan didn’t cause what’s happened, she was just the catalyst for it. I think that he’s been scapegoated and an afterthought within his nuclear family and I don’t blame him for being angry. I think that he means well and is essentially good. And I don’t think that anyone who’s read the whole book would be able to disagree.

More than anything I think it’s clear that the British Royal Family is no longer fit for purpose; the way they live, bring up their children, pay their members for work and demand unrealistic levels of protocol and formality is no longer working in the 21st century. These people need purpose and lives beyond the crown and those on the edges of the heir shouldn’t have to live their lives in service of the their. Realistically H and M could have worked as royals and had private interests, the RF chose not to bend to help them live fulfilling lives because of its own, outdated reasons.

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SemynonA · 16/01/2023 18:14

I love your review, I haven't read it yet, only excerpts but it is exactly my impression beforehand

Roussette · 16/01/2023 18:14

That's been linked about ten times on these threads.

@busymomtoone
Great post.

awaynboilyurheid · 16/01/2023 18:14

I am not going to buy the book as I don’t want to give money to an over privileged multi millionaire idiot and his narcissistic wife.

Roussette · 16/01/2023 18:14

awaynboilyurheid · 16/01/2023 18:14

I am not going to buy the book as I don’t want to give money to an over privileged multi millionaire idiot and his narcissistic wife.

Don't then! No one's forcing you!

ClaudiasWinkleMan · 16/01/2023 18:15

I couldn’t agree less. It like we’ve read totally different books. Yes he has had trauma but so do many. Lots of kids loose a parent and the other one has to work all hours to keep a roof over their heads, so don’t have time to give care and attention they need and then face a 2 year waitlist to access therapy.
I thought he came over as dim, self obsessed, obsessed also with his mother in a very unhealthy way and he projects an awful lot.
He lakes any self awareness as he’s so wrapped up in himself. I also can’t get over the amount of inaccuracies in the book, some feel like outright lies.

watchfulwishes · 16/01/2023 18:16

awaynboilyurheid · 16/01/2023 18:14

I am not going to buy the book as I don’t want to give money to an over privileged multi millionaire idiot and his narcissistic wife.

This is a weird perspective given the way the entire RF is supported financially.

awaynboilyurheid · 16/01/2023 18:18

Roussette · 16/01/2023 18:14

Don't then! No one's forcing you!

How v insightful thank you for pointing that out…..

BlippiIsAnnoying · 16/01/2023 18:19

Yes I've changed my mind on Harry. It's pretty obvious that Operation Rehab Camilla took precedence for Charles over many other things. It's a sad situation all round.

jamdonut · 16/01/2023 18:20

All of this makes me very sad. I genuinely feel that H & M have been treated very badly by the press; probably the family too, but I also think there’s two sides to every story and the other side will never be told. Or not yet a while…
I also feel sad because I genuinely believe our country does well with a monarchy ,as opposed to having a presidency , it suits our general way of life and our sense of history. I just don’t want us to go down the road of that particular circus, as I don’t think it’s better than what we already have BUT I do think major changes in who is part of “the firm” need to come into play, and I think that is beginning to be addressed.
I don’t feel I need to read the book, to be honest.

user1468761869 · 16/01/2023 18:20

'More than anything I think it’s clear that the British Royal Family is no longer fit for purpose; the way they live, bring up their children'👏

Cannot agree more.

fussyhousewife · 16/01/2023 18:21

Oh my goodness. So many anti-Royals here. The King has all those palaces not because he wants them but because they were built by other Royals (Queen Victoria for one). If the King could decide he "did not want them" what I ask would happen to them? Homes for the Homless (ha ha ha ha). What a ridiculous statement that was. Then the Royal Family have their own wealth and it is only a small sum of money from the Taxpayer that goes to them. The tourism generated by the Royals more than covers that. Seems to me that Megan is not family orientated having disowned her own father and sister so her influence has rubbed off on Harry who has issues which have become clear since the loss of his Mother. The Police are not in the business of sending body guards to America to take care of the "entitled pair". They want their cake and eat it - not prepared to carry out Royal Duties unless they decide they want to but still hold Royal positions. I hope that he understands that he has burned all bridges now and it will not matter how many books he writes - he is out in the cold and will remain so. I for one am totally disgusted with the press pushing his take of woe encouraging people to buy into this drivel. Rant over!!!

Carolyn147 · 16/01/2023 18:22

I agree with this. I had no strong opinions on H and M before although I thought it seemed unfair that other members of the RF were allowed to be part time royals but H wasn’t. I have now read the book and completely agree with OP’s summary. H isn’t perfect but he’s coped with a lot especially the hounding of the press and failure of the RF to rebut false stories, and I have a lot of sympathy for H and M and hope they find peace and happiness now

Logansnana · 16/01/2023 18:23

Well said namechangegin

californiadreamer · 16/01/2023 18:26

The reason why people who’ve read it are sympathetic is 100% down to the talents and skill of the ghostwriter (who wrote Agassi’s superb biography). When you listen to Harry speak - there’s the real story. There are many - many - stories and anecdotes about Meghan being a rude, difficult narcissist and Harry being exactly what you see on TV. I do not agree with the OP. Harry and Meghan had a huge platform and the privilege to bring about a lot of good - but have ditched that for 1) money, fame and Diana cosplay (Meghan) and revenge and spite because he felt he had drawn the short straw (Harry).

FrankiPanki · 16/01/2023 18:27

Agree. A pair if narcissistic hypocrites Enough.

AgathasCat · 16/01/2023 18:27

Absolutely brilliantly put and I wholeheartedly agree. Only want to add that I wish everyone full of venom for these two, based on what they have read or heard, owe it to themselves to read it and understand how far we are manipulated by the media. You can not read this and not be moved if you have one shred of compassion in you.

DewinDwl · 16/01/2023 18:28

watchfulwishes · 16/01/2023 18:16

This is a weird perspective given the way the entire RF is supported financially.

🤣🤣🤣

Logansnana · 16/01/2023 18:28

awaynboilyurheid · 16/01/2023 18:14

I am not going to buy the book as I don’t want to give money to an over privileged multi millionaire idiot and his narcissistic wife.

Well said

YellowDiamond · 16/01/2023 18:31

Well said OP. Great synopsis. I'm currently listening to it on Audible. Yes, Harry was born into immense wealth & privilege but treated awfully by his father and the RF. I believe all he says and I remember some of the awful tabloid headlines over the years and it's really interesting to hear his take on them.

Ace7 · 16/01/2023 18:31

HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 14/01/2023 22:02

… and I encourage anyone who’s even vaguely interested in this story to give it a read. Especially if what’s been leaked has made you at all angry, because I think in context everything makes a lot of sense.

I wasn’t a Harry and Meghan hater before reading this, but I wasn’t a fan girl either. Like many Brits, I find a lot of Americans- especially West Coast Americans- quite irritating and Meghan firmly falls into that camp for me. I’m sure she’s nice enough, but she’s very American and very perky and much like Wednesday Addams, I don’t do perky. However, I suspect that her intentions and generally good and that like most of us she’s got good and bad qualities. She’s clearly ambitious and I think that she probably initially dated Harry based on that ambition and on getting a platform, although I think that she genuinely loves him now.

The ghost writer has done a great job at capturing Harry’s personality I think; he comes across as introspective and thoughtful but funny and bright.

I think that Harry has a good soul; I think that he’s kind and has had a hard time of it growing up. I also think he’s a bit clueless and naive and has been in a bubble, but I think he acknowledges that and wants to understand and change. Undoubtedly losing his mother at the age he was had more of an outward impact on him than it had on William. He’s also been a victim of his dad’s wishywashy parenting. It sounds like- and looks like to me from my vantage point as a normal citizen who knows bugger all except what I’ve seen in the media- that Charles has been there for his kids to an extent, but not in a hands on or especially useful way. It also seems clear that Charles has always put Camilla first. From almost the moment Diana died it seems that he wanted, above everything else, to rehabilitate Camilla’s image so that they could marry. I think that he put that above being a father and the way Harry writes about their relationship makes that clear too.

I also think that it’s suited the palace to portray Harry as dimwitted and feckless to show William in a better light and that Harry has every right to be angry about that and not want to play that game anymore (and to call it out now). Especially as it’s obvious that the palace haven’t kept up their side of the bargain and protected Harry from the media in return.

I also think that the media have treated H and M poorly and it’s clearly the case that the palace has used them and news stories about them to divert from other newsworthy problems… certainly Prince Andrew, perhaps William’s affair/s. Is Harry overly jumpy about the media and the paparazzi in particular? Yes, of course. Who wouldn’t be with his background. But they’ve also obviously been hounded and harassed.

I do think that Harry is on a journey that he isn’t at the end of yet, but I think that he realises that too. I think that he was always going to leave the royal family and that Meghan didn’t cause what’s happened, she was just the catalyst for it. I think that he’s been scapegoated and an afterthought within his nuclear family and I don’t blame him for being angry. I think that he means well and is essentially good. And I don’t think that anyone who’s read the whole book would be able to disagree.

More than anything I think it’s clear that the British Royal Family is no longer fit for purpose; the way they live, bring up their children, pay their members for work and demand unrealistic levels of protocol and formality is no longer working in the 21st century. These people need purpose and lives beyond the crown and those on the edges of the heir shouldn’t have to live their lives in service of the their. Realistically H and M could have worked as royals and had private interests, the RF chose not to bend to help them live fulfilling lives because of its own, outdated reasons.

I have read “Spare” and agree with your observations. It is a shame that much of what Harry said has been so taken out of context. We have one life to live on this earth and a person who knows something is not working for them and moves away from that, is to be applauded. Whether it is a messy/abusive marriage, a stressful unfulfilling job, or any situation in which you are consistently poorly treated and gaslighted - save yourself, get out and live the life you want if you can. It is indeed time to consider the relevance of this institution.

Eyerollcentral · 16/01/2023 18:31

@AgathasCat I have read it. He hasn’t had it all easy but he is deeply insufferable. A self pitying spoilt brat.

ScotsBluebell · 16/01/2023 18:32

I'm in the middle of reading it. It's extremely well written (very fine ghost writer). Thanks for posting this. I find myself increasingly moved by it - and gobsmacked by all my lefty friends who seem to have swallowed the carefully chosen tabloid media bait hook, line and sinker, while proudly proclaiming that they won't read the book. There were times when I felt sick on Harry's behalf. DH and I watched the interview and the news right after it, 'Well that kind of proves what he was saying, doesn't it?' he said, as we listened to the quotes so obviously selected to put the worst possible slant on it. I know he's privileged beyond the dreams of most of us - but that doesn't make the damage any less real. I hope he finds some peace.

Iveneverwonanoscar · 16/01/2023 18:33

clyspa · 15/01/2023 00:57

I think you've read a book written to express those ideas.

I think distilling an entire family into the unsubstantiated label 'dysfunctional' when I know plenty of families (including my own) that would give the RF a run for its money in this regard is bizarre.

How is the monarchy not fit for purpose? They showcase the U.K., support charities, industry and talent - sounds ok to me, especially with the sliming down proposed by Charles.

I'd like to see what the new King and William will do with it - the Queen dominated for 70 years after all.

I imagine Harry and Meghan are perfectly nice - I just don't know why their 'truth' is all that important.

I do find it all fascinating in terms of human behaviour. I think enough is enough however and he now needs to do something credible and independent (even if that just means raising his chickens in his mansion)

If we are here in another 3 years with Harry still going on about his family will you be so sympathetic?

Totally agree with this. Best post written.
Now let's all move on from this sorry state of affairs before H does something even worse.

FixItUpChappie · 16/01/2023 18:33

I don't care really what the comtent of the book is……..it’s enough for me to form an opinion.

i don’t care what’s in the book - I’ve made up my mind!! Stop getting in the way of me feeling outraged! 😂😒

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