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Just finished 'Spare'...

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HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 14/01/2023 22:02

… and I encourage anyone who’s even vaguely interested in this story to give it a read. Especially if what’s been leaked has made you at all angry, because I think in context everything makes a lot of sense.

I wasn’t a Harry and Meghan hater before reading this, but I wasn’t a fan girl either. Like many Brits, I find a lot of Americans- especially West Coast Americans- quite irritating and Meghan firmly falls into that camp for me. I’m sure she’s nice enough, but she’s very American and very perky and much like Wednesday Addams, I don’t do perky. However, I suspect that her intentions and generally good and that like most of us she’s got good and bad qualities. She’s clearly ambitious and I think that she probably initially dated Harry based on that ambition and on getting a platform, although I think that she genuinely loves him now.

The ghost writer has done a great job at capturing Harry’s personality I think; he comes across as introspective and thoughtful but funny and bright.

I think that Harry has a good soul; I think that he’s kind and has had a hard time of it growing up. I also think he’s a bit clueless and naive and has been in a bubble, but I think he acknowledges that and wants to understand and change. Undoubtedly losing his mother at the age he was had more of an outward impact on him than it had on William. He’s also been a victim of his dad’s wishywashy parenting. It sounds like- and looks like to me from my vantage point as a normal citizen who knows bugger all except what I’ve seen in the media- that Charles has been there for his kids to an extent, but not in a hands on or especially useful way. It also seems clear that Charles has always put Camilla first. From almost the moment Diana died it seems that he wanted, above everything else, to rehabilitate Camilla’s image so that they could marry. I think that he put that above being a father and the way Harry writes about their relationship makes that clear too.

I also think that it’s suited the palace to portray Harry as dimwitted and feckless to show William in a better light and that Harry has every right to be angry about that and not want to play that game anymore (and to call it out now). Especially as it’s obvious that the palace haven’t kept up their side of the bargain and protected Harry from the media in return.

I also think that the media have treated H and M poorly and it’s clearly the case that the palace has used them and news stories about them to divert from other newsworthy problems… certainly Prince Andrew, perhaps William’s affair/s. Is Harry overly jumpy about the media and the paparazzi in particular? Yes, of course. Who wouldn’t be with his background. But they’ve also obviously been hounded and harassed.

I do think that Harry is on a journey that he isn’t at the end of yet, but I think that he realises that too. I think that he was always going to leave the royal family and that Meghan didn’t cause what’s happened, she was just the catalyst for it. I think that he’s been scapegoated and an afterthought within his nuclear family and I don’t blame him for being angry. I think that he means well and is essentially good. And I don’t think that anyone who’s read the whole book would be able to disagree.

More than anything I think it’s clear that the British Royal Family is no longer fit for purpose; the way they live, bring up their children, pay their members for work and demand unrealistic levels of protocol and formality is no longer working in the 21st century. These people need purpose and lives beyond the crown and those on the edges of the heir shouldn’t have to live their lives in service of the their. Realistically H and M could have worked as royals and had private interests, the RF chose not to bend to help them live fulfilling lives because of its own, outdated reasons.

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Coxspurplepippin · 15/01/2023 18:53

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 18:48

I'm half way through the audio book and enjoying it ( guiltily - republicans I read are overwhelmingly uninterested as Harry is still a monarchist - I'm not so sure about that ...)

Harry sounds very clear headed to me .
The royals are still using the playbook they used on Diana . Calling him 'mentally ill ' just as they smeared Diana.

Using mental illness as a slur - and they have the audacity to attempt to lead a ( flopped) mental health charity . All the rictus grins in the world won't live that down

Who in the RF has called Harry mentally ill?

Roussette · 15/01/2023 18:53

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 18:44

TB interview wasn’t broadcast live, neither was Anderson cooper or the other one shown on good morning America. You have no basis to say he was nervous because TB interviewed him first because you have no idea if that happened

I've agreed with you in my previous post which you obviously haven't read.

I assumed.

Is that good enough for you?

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 18:54

Have the 'royals' ever had the guts to say anything publicly

They have leaked that they think he's mentally ill
Anyone who questions them is mentally ill no doubt

Roussette · 15/01/2023 18:55

derxa · 15/01/2023 18:51

Don't fall off your chair @Roussette I actually agree with you here. The tequila could even have been water. It's reminiscent of Alison Hammond's funny interview with Harrison Ford where they were drinking whisky.

Grin And that interview was hilarious !

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 18:56

Roussette · 15/01/2023 18:53

I've agreed with you in my previous post which you obviously haven't read.

I assumed.

Is that good enough for you?

Just think it’s best to be clear as there are so many on this thread throwing round assumptions

SallyLockheart · 15/01/2023 18:56

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 18:54

Have the 'royals' ever had the guts to say anything publicly

They have leaked that they think he's mentally ill
Anyone who questions them is mentally ill no doubt

The queen said directly. “Recollections may vary”.

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 18:56

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 18:54

Have the 'royals' ever had the guts to say anything publicly

They have leaked that they think he's mentally ill
Anyone who questions them is mentally ill no doubt

Have they? When did that happen?

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 18:56

*They have leaked that they think he's mentally ill

Anyone who questions them is mentally ill no doubt*

You made both those statements up.

Coxspurplepippin · 15/01/2023 18:56

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 18:54

Have the 'royals' ever had the guts to say anything publicly

They have leaked that they think he's mentally ill
Anyone who questions them is mentally ill no doubt

So the answer to my question is, despite your claims, nobody in the RF has said Harry is mentally ill.

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 18:57

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 18:54

Have the 'royals' ever had the guts to say anything publicly

They have leaked that they think he's mentally ill
Anyone who questions them is mentally ill no doubt

Why would they have to leak it? Harry has been open for years about his mental health and getting help, long before Meghan came on the scene

Bluekerfuffle · 15/01/2023 18:57

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 18:54

Have the 'royals' ever had the guts to say anything publicly

They have leaked that they think he's mentally ill
Anyone who questions them is mentally ill no doubt

How do you know they’ve leaked it?

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 18:59

We could have an interesting discussion here or we could just invent slurs and state them as if they were facts. And yes, I know posters of all opinions do the latter.

Roussette · 15/01/2023 19:00

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 18:56

Just think it’s best to be clear as there are so many on this thread throwing round assumptions

Which is why I posted this to you in the beginning.

Yes of course. Bradby's was shown first because of time differences.
Who knows, maybe you do?
I know Bradby went over there to interview him, that's all I know

Please note... I said *Who knows^ which is an acknowledgement from me that I don't know.
Bradby's interview could have been first recorded. Or not.
Who knows?

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 19:03

It's always an 'expert' an 'source close to the royals' but you don't need me to tell you that

Camillas 20 year campaign to improve her image started with branding Diana as mentally ill and it's frequently repeated here
Harry had been dragged through MSM media to distract from Williams crimes as and when needed or simply to try to burnish Williams image by contrast

Hmm

Coxspurplepippin · 15/01/2023 19:04

' Taking to Twitter, the royal expert wrote: "My view is that Harry's family in London are very worried about his mental health'

And that is what you're basing your claim on? 😂

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 19:05

They can have their drama but it's not a suitable model for a head of state

They all need removed from public funds and away from decision making

Maybe keep them in a pay for view model for those keen !

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 19:06

@Coxspurplepippin
That's a slur as well you know

When Kate looks anorexic and miserable it's not allowed to say she has mental illness is it ?

Inkanta · 15/01/2023 19:07

Smear campaign.

magicthree · 15/01/2023 19:07

DNBU · 15/01/2023 08:18

Love this ‘I haven’t read the book, but i’ve seen enough of the media coverage to form my opinion’ attitude of a lot of the posters here, sums up the tabloid/DM-reading public perfectly! Let the right wing British press make up your mind rather than reading the material and forming your own opinion. Nice!

I haven't read the book and have no intention of doing so. I also don't live in the UK and media coverage here is much, much, less - it's certainly not in our face all the time (unless you read women's magazines maybe, even then it's only one article at a time). My opinion was actually formed quite a while ago, and nothing has changed it. As for the book - how can any of you be so blind to the fact that it is a one sided story? I could write a book and say I was a fairy who had come here from another planet and it seems many would believe it because I said so!!!

Noodles1234 · 15/01/2023 19:08

I think being the only child left not being a king or queen must be very difficult, sibling rivalry at its worst. Growing up there is always the big brother / sister that is seemed to get all the good stuff or vica versa. Looking at Princess Anne who has channelled to be the best of herself is a great role model, it must take a lot of inner strength.
It is a shame they went, it doesn’t bother me that he left, it’s just the petulant way it has been done. If they’d gone and not been so caustic they could have been more popular in the states than anyone else, they were certainly quite likeable.

Repeatedly calling his brother “Willy” in the book and citing Williams children out in the way he now complains about himself, please don’t comment on other people’s children that’s not fair or just. Some things are not for others to publicly discuss.

I felt sorry for Meghan, he found it difficult after watching her on tv in some scenes, yet openly talked of his liaisons, ouch.

it does worry me people are out to wring every last penny out of Harry, he isn’t as worldly wise without his royal team behind him giving him his full mental strength. It comes across everything is for sale, which friends could truly trust them now? I just hope he stays safe, there’s enough vultures out there.

Coxspurplepippin · 15/01/2023 19:09

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 19:06

@Coxspurplepippin
That's a slur as well you know

When Kate looks anorexic and miserable it's not allowed to say she has mental illness is it ?

It means nowt, as well you know. The papers have people they wheel out for views on stuff, talking heads if you like. You have not one scintilla of evidence that there was any leak or comment by any member of the RF - there seems to be very little evidence for any of these claims at all.

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 19:10

Roussette · 15/01/2023 19:00

Which is why I posted this to you in the beginning.

Yes of course. Bradby's was shown first because of time differences.
Who knows, maybe you do?
I know Bradby went over there to interview him, that's all I know

Please note... I said *Who knows^ which is an acknowledgement from me that I don't know.
Bradby's interview could have been first recorded. Or not.
Who knows?

You being super defensive won’t delete my posts 🤷‍♀️Maybe don’t go round coming out with rope you can’t support in the first place

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 19:12

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 19:03

It's always an 'expert' an 'source close to the royals' but you don't need me to tell you that

Camillas 20 year campaign to improve her image started with branding Diana as mentally ill and it's frequently repeated here
Harry had been dragged through MSM media to distract from Williams crimes as and when needed or simply to try to burnish Williams image by contrast

Hmm

Diana herself disclosed she was bulimic and also that she had tried to throw herself down a flight of stairs whilst pregnant. Again, she out that in the public domain
Williams ‘Crimes’ - do you mean actual crimes??

Novella4 · 15/01/2023 19:13

@Eyerollcentral
I'm not disputing for one minute that Harry has worked in his mental health . He is very open about it
That was part of his growth

I'm saying that the royal PR machine uses 'mentally ill ' as slur against Harry , seeming unaware as to how tone deaf ( and wrong!) it is esp when they try to hijack mental health charities to boost their image

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/bold-claim-williams-staff-planted-stories-about-harrys-mental-health/C4WBQA2YCVCZXPPOXWYB5WSI4U/?outputType=amp

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