To think Harry is really ill based on recent comments he's made?

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I'm thinking of how he accuses the media of putting a spin on his comments about killing 25 men.

He says it's been taken out of context.
Does he even know what that means?

If the lines we read were quoted directly from the book, where is the spin? Yes, it may have been part of a bigger picture of (as he alludes to) helping soldiers overcome PTSD .

BUT he still gave a 'body count' and spoke of them as chess pieces (all of which the Army has said is not how they teach soldiers to think.)

Even if- and it's a big 'if' - the intention was good behind relating his war experiences, someone ought to have edited the book. He should have had advice from the military, rather than relying on a ghost writer.

He appears to be in complete denial about anything he does and the fault is always someone else's.

So sad, really, and how his father is coping I have no idea.

I disagree. I expect he's desperately regretting setting this into motion, esepcially before Christmas when he said that he really wanted to reconcile with the King and William.... but by then the die had been cast and contracted signed, so he couldn't pull out.

Besides, he had at least as much attention before this as William, who tended to be seen as much more boring by comparison.

I don't see how you can think his book is the mark of a healthy man, mentally and emotionally.

@Tuilpmouse probably I just didn't pay much attention before to Royal news other than the usual hatches, matches and dispatches! Its interesting that you think he regrets setting this in motion - its not an impression I get especially from the brief clips of him on the Late Show. He looked like he was loving it all

It's not hypocrisy

Yes, he covers much the same ground.

But there are important differences - he does not talk about either numbers or chess pieces.

Of course people react differently when the information is different.

He was wrong to use those terms. As in 2013 he could have made the point, without crossing those lines in the sand.

All the drugs he's taken have clearly addled his mind!

Yes - this occurred to me too at the start of The Late Show. He finally got his William moment and even pointed out that he was not sitting on the adjacent spare chair. However, his lifelong obsession with being the spare is actually beyond the normal range. I would think possibly amounting to OCD. It is not normal to feel so aggrieved, get it off your chest on a global platform and then make a career out of talking about it. He needs to keep it in check unless her would like to be written off as totally batshit.

@bakalava Neither is it 'normal' to have a dad who didn't love your mum and only married her because she was a verified virgin. To have a dad who then got back together with his ex who he says he wished to self identify as a tampon to insert himself in to her. To have a mum who became really mentally ill as a result of being flung in to this situation so young. To have photographers have take pictures of your mum dying in a car with a severe head injury.
To have to bow to your relatives. To always have the press interested in you, even if you are just going about fairly mundane every day life things like learning about your sexuality, losing your virginity, drinking, trying drugs (not dealing them, just trying them, like most people.)
It isn't normal to have an uncle who paid £12million to remove himself from a sexual assault allegation and then still be embraced at the heart of the family.
Where is his 'normal'? I can tell you one thing, his kids are going to have a lot more 'normal' life compared to what he had, even though they will be very rich compared to the rest of us.

He seems to have issues with drink and drugs and to be totally unaware how that has affected his relationship with his family and others.

He also seems to have major issues around his mother, which make him prey to superstitious thinking and to every con artist medium, charlatan and dodgy guru going.

I don't think the royals are unique in having fucked up family dynamics. Many, perhaps even most, families have to deal with deaths, affairs, feuds, weird uncles and even crazier stuff. The royals do all this with the added problem of public scrutiny; the rest of us do it with the added problem of having no money. I know plenty of people with far more difficult backgrounds than Harry's.

@barnbaby yes his children should have a less intrusive and traumatic childhood but they'll still be growing up almost no contact with family on both sides, parents who are eaten up with bitterness about their families, with a dad who insists on being referred to as 'prince' even though he's got no role in the RF. Not exactly healthy.

@Cherry60 much healthier than having to sit next to uncle Andrew at a family get together me thinks.

Poor Harry having the media twist his every word. Of course the best action is to go on a full media tour and spout loads of stuff about family, allowing them even more opportunity to 'twist his words'

Honestly, what he's saying is probably true but I can't feel any sympathy for him. Absolute circus he is causing while the rest of us are struggling with the cost of living crisis and now being forced to read and hear his every word. Poor Harry was pushed by his brother. Poor Harry was given a house rent/mortgage free but wasn't good enough for him. Poor Harry, his dad is only alive today because of 'his orders'
He's bloody ridiculous

Is he coming across as someone who takes advice? He’s got tetchy when challenged even gently in all four of his media interviews. This is a man you don’t cross.

I think Harry is perfectly sane. Nice attempt at gaslighting him though. I guess he’s just ‘remembering it wrong’ yeah. Classic abuser tactic. You’re unhinged, that’s not what happened, you’re too sensitive, that’s not what I meant, that never happened. Think we’d all be a bit more clued up on those tactics on here by now but obviously not!

There’s no way that passage is true and Charles was in danger. Reads like something from the mind of Walter Mitty.

Add to that some of public do too no wonder he got the fuck out.

He said in the itv interview he hasn’t been given a diagnosis(talking about how William thinks he is unwell)
Which is the equivalent of saying I’m not mad, my mum had me tested!

The trouble with being in the public eye and referencing universally known and well documented events is that it’s very easy to fact check them. His memory might be faulty or he might be lying, only he knows. But he’s definitely not the one being gaslighted.

I see it differently and believe Harry is being very strongly gaslit. Whist there is no definitive truth, I believe he’s speaking his and I think that’s where other members of the RF fall down. I think the media is gaslighting him now and the public are being manipulated by said media to do this same. The RF is the cash cow for the media and there is too much at stake for them not to invest all they have in convincing the ‘great unwashed’ that Harry is ‘remembering it wrong’.

I think he's objecting to the way you the media reported it as "bragging" when he wound say he was merely saying and explaining his feelings around it.

Either way it was a really really stupid thing to do if you're concerned about your family's safety (or any fellow soldiers). It doesn't matter, just putting that black and white information out there increases the risk for everyone. The man went through Sandhurst, he must know the risk it carries and that it is just never done.

The press "spin" is a red herring it was a really stupid and dangerous thing to do even if his words were just repeated without comment. I think it's entirely possible he's just not bright enough to get it, his advisors/publishers knew the attention it would get and should be ashamed of themselves.

Sadly I completely agree, I think he’s not going to shut up (neither will she and god knows what will be in her autobiography) , I think he’s a loose cannon, becoming a danger to himself and others.
Top military have commented on the danger he’s invoking re the Taliban comments yet on he goes and blames the press. Again.
When the hell will he start accepting responsibility for some/most of his whinges?

Also agree

He will continue to lash out until he has his ‘summit’ with Charles and William and an apology. Clearly, neither which will happen.

We will have Meghan memoir, not this year. I think they will let things settle for a while. Maybe 2024? 2025? She can’t leave it too late though.

I think given Harry didn’t realise the magnitude of what he was saying himself (???) the publisher had a duty of care to highlight it. Of course it’s going to put his family at risk.

It's also going to get a lot of publicity....that's what the publisher is there for, not to protect a professionally training solider who must (should?) have known the risks.

I agree they should have but I'm not surprised they didn't and he really shouldn't have needed telling, unless he really is that thick. He was far better qualified to understand that (having gone through Sandhurst) than a publisher would be

@Orangefir i think her memoir is planned for next year? There are three more books in his ‘deal’ to come too 🫣
Because they have such a expensive lifestyle they’re not going to be able to fund it unless they keep coming up with bombshells, their ‘truth’ etc
I can’t see anyone employing them in any meaningful way now, anyone of note won’t trust them an inch for fear of ending up being sensationalised.

William and Charles certainly won’t want to be alone with him, there’s obviously no trust there.

Talk about selling your soul to the devil, he’s out for blood money and is determined to make his family ‘pay’ one way or another. It’s blackmail and heading for extortion.