To think Harry is really ill based on recent comments he's made?

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I'm thinking of how he accuses the media of putting a spin on his comments about killing 25 men.

He says it's been taken out of context.
Does he even know what that means?

If the lines we read were quoted directly from the book, where is the spin? Yes, it may have been part of a bigger picture of (as he alludes to) helping soldiers overcome PTSD .

BUT he still gave a 'body count' and spoke of them as chess pieces (all of which the Army has said is not how they teach soldiers to think.)

Even if- and it's a big 'if' - the intention was good behind relating his war experiences, someone ought to have edited the book. He should have had advice from the military, rather than relying on a ghost writer.

He appears to be in complete denial about anything he does and the fault is always someone else's.

So sad, really, and how his father is coping I have no idea.

Bloody hell @ConsistentlyClumsy that extract is weird. Is it really genuine?

Charles was just allowed to drive across a live bombing range?
OR
Harry was just allowed to tell pilots to bomb civilian buildings?

Neither of those things happen.

Did he really give orders to the typhoon to blow up his dad and then spare him! Crikey, he’s not coming out well in this book is he, that’s an awful thing to say or do ! I actually hope Charles and William are ok after this! Also William has the two older kids at school I hope they aren’t being bullied over this? Im shocked he has done this to his family!

Surely he must now be held accountable to some of things that he’s written, in the past Meghan and Harry have both been like Teflon and nothing has stuck but he must now face consequences of his actions over this book

I don't think I've ever commented on a royals thread before, I'm really not interested in them - but what the actual f*ck?!

People who are into the royal family, etc. - is this kind of talk/statement/story expected? This seems horrifying to me, what's he saying, that he nearly directed a military plane to kill his dad? Then ordered it not to at the last minute and instead requested a barn be blown up? Why is he able to just tell a Typhoon (whatever tf that is) to blow things up? I'm aghast.

Honestly I feel so sorry for his poor kids who in ten years will be teens having their peers slag them about their fathers leud stories in a cheap tell all book. Who wants to hear about their father being 'mounted like a stallion'..
I think he really really needs public validation and when it doesn't come , he believes it's because people don't know the whole story and if they did they would feel sorry for him. So he does Oprah and when that doesn't work. He does documentary and then a book..I believe that he believes what he is saying. He genuinely believes he and Megan have been badly wronged but he can't see the irony and the pettiness in all the claims he is making, William getting bigger room ) oldest sibling everywhere) him getting a bad present from his grand aunt .. these are things that most people can laugh off. He feels them acutely. I do feel sorry for him. He does come across as a petulant child, sad that he didn't get his way.

@Bestcatmum your experience mirrors mine well I started out really liking M and H H had always been my favourite royal after the Queen . Got fed up with them after the Oprah thing but his interviews and reading the book has definitely made me feel more positive towards him . I think there’s quite a lot to relate to in his book which I was surprised at given how different his world is to most peoples

He literally runs a veterans charity! It’s not a poor defence at all.

If someone as well known as him can be open about what he did, then I imagine it does help other veterans to at least talk about the guilt and after effects. It wasn’t mentioned in a boastful way at all.

You do know that in 2013, the press put him on the front pages as a hero when he was found to have killed Taliban? The Mail, the Mirror, Express - the lot of ‘em.

Perspective is everything.

Why then if the veterans open up to him so much, and he is so aware of their plight - why on earth did he release the actual body count and trigger so many of them?

How did he not know that this would be very triggering for them? Doubly so because they trusted Harry!

How did he not know that he would put them all at risk from Taliban reprisals.

If Harry is so informed how has managed to make so many extremely dangerous mistakes? The head of security is talking about reprisals to our country possibly in the shape of a terrorist attack. Can you just imagine?

Please stop defending the indefensible.

What a strange extract. It's so easy to tell it has been ghost written, especially with Americanisms such as 'gray', not 'grey' (I know I'm missing the point here). I do wonder how much is creative licence on the part of JR Moehringer and how much input Harry had with the bulk of the content?

No you are absolutely wrong , my Husband is a veteran in fact served 22yrs in all. Was serving when Harry was still in nappies . Did many many tours .
Harry is not an expert in PTSD and despite my Husband serving on many tours neither is he .

Not ill. I think he's a tit, I think he's enthralled to his narrative and has certainly drank the kool aid on the whole my truth, my self enlightenment wanky California stuff and has done legitimate trauma mixed in with some jealousy and self esteem issues topped off with being very privileged.

It's s heady cocktail but hope now he's got all this off his chest he had gain back some perspective and get on with his life.

If he doesn't then yeah not sure how it's gonna work out for him long term

Has some not done

His interview on the Late Show, he’s practically saying the palace CONTROLS the press and the press is responsible for everyone who has a negative opinion on his book. People are genuinely appalled at some of the things he’s included in there. If there was no press and they read the book and read the same things quoted in the press they would be equally appalled.
He has included very private details about members of his family and he cannot excuse that no matter how hard he tries. They are his words.

I consider his suggestion that his brother and wife determined their attitude towards Meghan via reading tabloid press reports as an example of how deluded he is. Two people who have repeated first hand experience of a person are not going to be swayed by something written in the bloody Sun! And how can they be manipulated by the press if they are supposedly the ones providing the press with untrue stories?!

He seems to not understand that anyone can have an opinion of their own volition.

Context doesn’t not matter when he made the choice to include ‘25’ and ‘chess pieces’ he could easily have excluded both of those specific things when discussing his time in war.

I also cannot believe he has admitted to using drugs after becoming a father, and while he was in the US. He’s an idiot, and in my opinion this will end very badly for him.

Wtf how can anyone defend him? He ordered his fighter jet to lock on which if it went wrong would kill his own father. Who the fuck does that ?

It astounds me just how many people in the UK are so gullible and so easily manipulated by the tabloid narrative

You're going to need to do better than that, Spyral, though at least you left the much-touted "context" out of it

I'm the first to agree that the media twist things and say so often, but much of this is now based on Harry's own words and actions - and few of them are pretty

He doesn’t take responsibility for anything he says. And will look you in the eye and lie. It’s becoming very obvious. He seems to be incredibly narcissistic. That paragraph above about not killing Charles is beyond ludicrous. None of our forces are going to kill Charles. But harry believes he has the power to decide these things. And that if he wished it they would.

it’s scarily deluded.

I suspect there has been a problem for a long time and the family knew it. Which makes me wonder wtf Meghan is doing, as she must know.

I don’t know if he’s Ill or has a personality disorder, or learning difficulties that prevent him understanding what he says or the implications of it. His grasp on reality is tenuous at best. His relationship with the truth limited, and his ability to take responsibility non existent.

all the lies, twisting of the truth. False statements . Made up shit. It’s all so much now. That’s why folk are starting to realise something is very wrong indeed.

This makes no sense, you understand the book is out? That it’s Harry’s own words now? Nothing is speculative or twisted. It’s actual quotes

BBC: "In his condemnation of the media coverage, Harry claimed outlets had intentionally chosen to "strip away the context" of his account.
"Without a doubt, the most dangerous lie that they have told, is that I somehow boasted about the number of people I killed in Afghanistan," he said.
"If I heard anyone boasting about that kind of thing, I would be angry. But it's a lie.
"It's really troubling and very disturbing that they can get away with it... My words are not dangerous - but the spin of my words are very dangerous to my family. That is a choice they've made."
He said he had wanted to be honest about his experience in Afghanistan, and to give veterans the space to share theirs "without any shame"."

What did he think was going to happen? Why write that stuff knowing it could be twisted and put his family in danger? Easiest thing would have been to just not say it. But where's the publicity in that? He only has himself to blame

I think the brothers were close and that Harry retrospectively saying they were not is Harry bullshit. I also think there was a lot of sibling rivalry because Harry makes a lot of his having been given less… albeit he fails to mention when he got more, eg the lion’s share of the inheritance from the Queen Mum and a majority share of the estate from Diana.

I think he struggled a lot when his brother married as they were no longer the 2 bereaved boys. This will have triggered his feelings of abandonment as he seems emotionally stuck at about the age him mum died. However he went in to have a strong relationship with his sil and the 3 of them worked together in a number of projects. It is said that he fancies Kate. He definitely was very attracted to Pippa.

I am really wtf about that extract upthread. It’s so fanciful like so much of what has been written.

@Spyral if Harry had done what is described in the above passage from the book, he would have been court martialled and dishonourably discharged.

The man talks bull shit.

I think anyone who reads the passage and doesn't see it is out of context completely and find themselves on the same side as the Taliban in this needs some help.

On the smoking weed in the US - this article is from 2019 so not sure if anything has changed

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/15/britons-who-legally-smoke-cannabis-in-the-us-risk-being-deported

or what Harry’s immigration status is!

BBC: "In his condemnation of the media coverage, Harry claimed outlets had intentionally chosen to "strip away the context" of his account

Ah, so he's jumped on the "context" bandwagon too, and even blames W&K's attitudes on the media as if they don't actually have first hand experience of those involved

You'd almost think he was a member of Mumsnet ...

I thought that too. His "digital diet" is seemingly not working! The problem is that he is a traitor to people who had a right to their privacy and a right to refuse to be sold to the highest bidder. It is not a good look for a member of any family, let alone a family with a public profile. He cannot stop himself anymore. I hope that the next set of revelations do not focus on toilet humour and such like. It's all for sale, limited only by his capacity to recall, distort and embellish.