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Best Prince Harry Interview so far by GMA

264 replies

ttcstop · 09/01/2023 20:34

Some serious questions were at last asked by the interviewer - he did a better job in ten minutes than any other has done in 90, but Harry is so brainwashed he somehow manages to bat them away? He really cannot see any wrongdoing on his part.

I am buying the book because I'm seriously interested to hear these 'examples' of leaks.

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JenniferBarkley · 10/01/2023 11:33

It will be very interesting to see the Colbert interview - I've seen him be both hard hitting and light and fluffy. Presumably it will be more the latter.

Colbert lost his father and two (I think) brothers in a plane crash when he was young, he's spoken very eloquently on the impact his grief has had on him and his faith. If the interview takes a serious turn, they may well relate very well to each other.

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 11:38

Colbert is quite philosophical about his family loses. He imparts no anger at what life has dealt him. It’s remarkable really.
I’m not sure he will connect with Harry. He lost two brothers, Harry still has his and this is how he chooses to behave.

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 10/01/2023 11:59

@Weonlyhavealoanofit sadly everything you’ve written will be interpreted by some as “I’m a big fat British racist”. 😔

I was no fan of Diana, but I reckon she’d have smiled and written a nice note.

Camilla would share a benny and recommend the Freedom program.

Meghan gives off those “mean girl” vibes - you know the type. Look you up and down and smirk at a Jessica Mulroney type because your arse is too big or you’re holding a M&S bag, not Givenchy.

Bideshi · 10/01/2023 12:01

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 01:45

Re Camilla, by the way Harry talks Camilla must have had a lot of press but until recently I didn’t see much of her in the press over the years. Unless he means the press withheld stories about her, but as a previous poster said it’s hard to imagine what salacious things she was getting up to as a woman in her sixties at that time.

There are various pictures floating about of her looking frumpy or slightly deranged, or with her skirt blowing up, or, in the 90s, smoking or eating food (never a good look). I think when the Palace got a PR firm in to improve her image so Charles and she could marry, they wanted to get rid of any triggers for ridicule. She had quite enough to put up with.

kirinm · 10/01/2023 12:06

Why do people believe the editor of The Sun? It is hugely in the interests of the media to discredit whatever Harry is saying. I know why people are glossing over that fact but it is pretty ludicrous to take the word of someone from The Sun.

ShamedBySiri · 10/01/2023 12:06

VolcanicAshStorm · 10/01/2023 10:10

It is the callous details that surprises me, around William's baldness, the way he states William's resemblance to Diana is fading, his father's admission he was bullied at school and carried a teddy bear.

When Anderson Cooper brought up the comments about William, Harry smirked. This is where he loses complete credibility to me. If this was about the 'truth' and 'his story' why include detail intended to hurt and humiliate.

Does he consistently use the name "Willy" throughout the book? It may we'll be their childhood nickname and if they were still in friendly terms perhaps he would still use it but one senses he is using the name in purpose to needle, diminish and further annoy his brother. One doesn't get the sense of it being used in the context of affectionate family nickname.

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 12:07

ShamedBySiri · 10/01/2023 12:06

Does he consistently use the name "Willy" throughout the book? It may we'll be their childhood nickname and if they were still in friendly terms perhaps he would still use it but one senses he is using the name in purpose to needle, diminish and further annoy his brother. One doesn't get the sense of it being used in the context of affectionate family nickname.

Using Willy over and over again in this context is demeaning, and intended to demean.

RegainingTheWill2023 · 10/01/2023 12:09

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 12:07

Using Willy over and over again in this context is demeaning, and intended to demean.

I thought this too.

ShamedBySiri · 10/01/2023 12:12

Yes, I think so too @Swissmountains

Apologies for lack of proofreading repeated "i" instead of "o".

ShamedBySiri · 10/01/2023 12:15

They probably thought it was hilarious when they were about ten but grew out of it in general use and just reverted when arguing by way of added needling power.
Siblings do this. But they don't necessarily carry it through to a book and tv interviews.

MeinKraft · 10/01/2023 12:16

Ticketyboots · 09/01/2023 22:46

Just seen BBC 10 pm news and they clear up one of PH accusations about Camilla leaking / briefing to The Sun that she had met William when he was 16.

Editor or The Sun (at that time) came on to explain that PH was mistaken - Camilla’s PA had inadvertently confirmed they had met - it was all out in the open that the PA made a mistake and she then resigned.

If that’s all PH has on her it’s a bit embarrassing that he didn’t do a fact check on his harshest claim - leaves his credibility in the bin.

The Sun editor also said that members of the palace didn’t brief against each other - but at times there were deals done when if they had a bad story on one of them they would withhold it if the palace gave them something else to run.

Makes you wonder if the palace leaking / briefing was actually to cover up more of PH stuff than to expose him as he claims?

I don't know but I find it incredible how no one has mentioned Prince Andrew in all of this. He was all over the papers at that time too, surely there were stories traded about him to protect Harry, or traded about Harry to protect him, yet it is never mentioned.

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 12:23

kirinm · 10/01/2023 12:06

Why do people believe the editor of The Sun? It is hugely in the interests of the media to discredit whatever Harry is saying. I know why people are glossing over that fact but it is pretty ludicrous to take the word of someone from The Sun.

The editor, David Yelland, was a previous editor who left the Sun in 2003 and in interviews is critical now of the practices of the tabloids he worked for. I think it is v likely he is telling the truth here.

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 12:27

Bideshi · 10/01/2023 12:01

There are various pictures floating about of her looking frumpy or slightly deranged, or with her skirt blowing up, or, in the 90s, smoking or eating food (never a good look). I think when the Palace got a PR firm in to improve her image so Charles and she could marry, they wanted to get rid of any triggers for ridicule. She had quite enough to put up with.

@Bideshi , so are you saying Camilla wanted such photos suppressed? Sorry not clear what you are suggesting. Thanks.

mixedrecycling · 10/01/2023 12:28

@Weonlyhavealoanofit

It seems that Diana particularly, wanted the boys to be treated as equals, with hindsight that was an unrealistic aspiration given their positions within an hereditary monarchy.

The trouble is, it is a no-win isn't it?

Treat them differently, and you get 'but he had a bigger bedroom' greivances.

Treat them the same, and risk creating unreasonable expectations that this will always be the case, when primogeniture means that they are going to have a different path in life. Paths with different benefits - as various posters have pointed out, there is a lot to be said for being the spare, with 90% of the privilege and LOTS more freedom to suit yourself.

Ticketyboots · 10/01/2023 12:36

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 12:23

The editor, David Yelland, was a previous editor who left the Sun in 2003 and in interviews is critical now of the practices of the tabloids he worked for. I think it is v likely he is telling the truth here.

He also outlined the real story of how the story about Camilla and PW meeting ended up in print and how the PA who had inadvertently leaked it then resigned - this was and is all there for everyone to see in print. It’s just a shame PH didn’t check out his own stories.

I think the tabloid press are despicable but on this one example PH has got it wrong.

Bideshi · 10/01/2023 12:46

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 12:27

@Bideshi , so are you saying Camilla wanted such photos suppressed? Sorry not clear what you are suggesting. Thanks.

No not Camilla. The PR that the Palace had employed. She'd suffered so much bile thrown at her that they tried to minimise ammunition. Everybody has photographs they wouldn't want others to see and it must have been a million times worse for her. Remember all the horse/mare comments.

I think the press may have been asked not to hold back on such photos and were offered other things as a quid pro quo. But nothing salacious (why would they?) and not about Harry. Again, what would be the point?I don't believe she's used the press against Harry. I can't see how that would work and, in any case, why? She was pretty much rehabilitated by the time Meghan came on the scene. Her tactic has mostly been to keep her head down, do her best, and play the long game. She's also quite shy and not comfortable with public speaking, although very hands-on with her charities and causes. I'm just not recognising her as a power-mad harridan. I do know people who have worked closely with her and respect and like her.

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 12:47

Iamwhatiam52 · 10/01/2023 09:32

From what I can gather, his issue revolves around the 'bridesmaid dress story' because something got leaked to the press that Meghan made Kate cry. If you are to believe Harry, this isn't true and it was Kate who made Meghan cry and he found Meghan 'sobbing on the floor' so he then contacted the necessary department in the 'institution' to ensure a similar PR stunt was issued to say that 'No, it was Kate who made Meghan cry not the other way round' but he had no support with that from anyone and I think that is what he is highlighting - the fact that the Royal PR dept can issue all kinds of shit on Meghan but nothing similar can be done to Kate or that they would refuse to put the situation right i.e. in Meghan's favour.

That's how I read it anyway.

Yeah it is petty that it revolves around that particular story but I think he's trying to highlight that it's the principle of Meghan being slated in the media when it was Kate who allegedly caused the issue. 😑

I can’t 100% say I am sure, but I thought the other day I read Kate was also upset, I would have to read the book to check if Harry says this too. If this is the case it sounds more like both got upset which happens in the run up to weddings!

I can understand H and M weren’t that happy it was described as only Kate was upset, but I understand if the palace didn’t think it warranted breaking palace protocol to comment on royal domestic matters. I imagine over the years all royal family members have seen false reporting of events, but the mantra is suck it up as it happens to them all at some point. H has made clear he doesn’t want to.

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 12:49

Thanks @Bideshi for clarifying and agree with your comments.

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 12:51

Ticketyboots · 10/01/2023 12:36

He also outlined the real story of how the story about Camilla and PW meeting ended up in print and how the PA who had inadvertently leaked it then resigned - this was and is all there for everyone to see in print. It’s just a shame PH didn’t check out his own stories.

I think the tabloid press are despicable but on this one example PH has got it wrong.

Agree with all you say above.

Dobby123456 · 10/01/2023 12:51

Ticketyboots · 10/01/2023 12:36

He also outlined the real story of how the story about Camilla and PW meeting ended up in print and how the PA who had inadvertently leaked it then resigned - this was and is all there for everyone to see in print. It’s just a shame PH didn’t check out his own stories.

I think the tabloid press are despicable but on this one example PH has got it wrong.

The ironic thing is, that leaked story wasn't bad for the princes at all. Sure, it was good for Camilla, but it made them look like mature young men willing to give their future step-mum a chance. Doesn't really fit with the idea that Camilla and her aides were out to pillory Harry in the press.

I wasn't paying much attention at the time, but isn't it more likely that the tabloid press went overboard on the anti-Meghan campaign because she's some kind of vegan and they have a prejudice against vegans - hence the avocado story? And perhaps people who worked at the palace had similar feelings? I've known veganism cause tensions in work places before - especially between employees and catering staff. There just seems to be so many more obvious explanations than the palace were out to get her because her mum happens to be black and the press were in on it.

longwayoff · 10/01/2023 12:54

Did interviewer ask about Meghan's chats with Omid Scobie? The ones she only admitted to when asked by a court? Having previously denied it. Infants both.

notawellman · 10/01/2023 13:20

It seemed clear to me that Harry is not a straight thinking man at all and is deeply troubled. He is completely paranoid and very angry - all as a result of losing his mother at such a young age and under terrible circumstances. He seems obsessed with his brother William and his step mother and is convinced there is this big machine within the Royal family that is plotting against him without offering any evidence. Of course, we don't know what's going behind closed doors and he may go into more detail in his book, but I just find this whole conspiracy theory against him and Meghan really hard to believe.

If anything, his family are probably worried sick about him. At one point I'm sure he said "we fled the UK scared for our lives"!!!! Really?? You were scared for your lives as you fled to your multi million pound mansion in Montecito. I'm sure all the recent Ukrainian refugees totally relate to your predicament Harry.

I also think there's clear manipulation. When Meghan gave her Oprah interview, she was implying that someone in the Royal family was being racist, pure and simple. Ok, she never actually said those words but the viewer would naturally draw that conclusion. They never once came out to correct the global assumption of potential racism within the British Royal family which everyone thought they were implying. They could have done that. Now Harry is saying that they never said that anyone was racist. Come on, he's moved the goal posts.

He talks in riddles as well. When answering a question he goes off on a tangent and gives these really long complicated responses which I completely lost track off. By the end of some of his answers, I'd forgotten what the original question was. He seems to be overthinking things and putting labels on anything and everything.

And the hypocrisy - how can you complain of media intrusion citing this as the reason for leaving the UK, and then do everything you can to gain media attention. He's a hypocrite.

I think he's going to regret this in years to come.

Fragrantandfoolish · 10/01/2023 13:31

I strongly suspect they are properly under siege over there from paps and journos. Their neighbours will also be pissed off about it. As they won’t want it to be choca block with paps.

they do keep changing the goal posts. They went as they said they wanted privacy, now they are saying they never said that, citing as it’s not technically in the exit statement.

I just don’t understand how you can say you want to protect your wife and kids from intrusive media attention then invite this sort of scrutiny . He’s doing the rounds of interviews, using the very media he hates so his book sells more and he gets more money.

VolcanicAshStorm · 10/01/2023 13:36

If the reports of Meghan's bullying and high handed attitude with staff are correct it seems most likely the 'leaks' when Meghan came on the scene were from disgruntled staff. Remember they shared an office with the Wales' for a while.

Meghan, when she first came on the scene did the Royal Family a huge favour. It would have been massively in their interest to keep her happy and onboard - as it would ingratiate the RF to a potential whole new audience both in UK and US. Logically there would be no reason to plot against her.

I think Harry, in his obsessional devotion to his wife can't conceive that she is anything less than perfect. So if someone says something nasty about her it is pure jealousy or racism or both.

Even in the book there is a passage where writes 'she is perfect, she is perfect, she is perfect'. Whereas GFs in the past, probably rolled eyes and said FFS Harry calm down, get a grip - Meghan has blown smoke up his arse and egged him on.

Whole thing is madness.

diddl · 10/01/2023 13:47

So he actually says that he had to be able to tell his truth before there could be any reconciliation?

He can't really think that Oprah, Netflix & memoir(s) were the way to do this?

I'm curious how he would have told his truth had half in/half out been allowed?

What I do get from all of this is that W&H don't seem to have been close for sometime.

Being the spare must be difficult in that he would have a job for life but the likelihood is his kids would always have needed to find a different "career path".

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