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Best Prince Harry Interview so far by GMA

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ttcstop · 09/01/2023 20:34

Some serious questions were at last asked by the interviewer - he did a better job in ten minutes than any other has done in 90, but Harry is so brainwashed he somehow manages to bat them away? He really cannot see any wrongdoing on his part.

I am buying the book because I'm seriously interested to hear these 'examples' of leaks.

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BirchOak · 10/01/2023 07:24

Sling · 10/01/2023 06:44

On the Camilla point that she "sacrificed him on her personal PR Altar" I didn't get it, so I did some googling. I think the whole thing is not about Meghan, its about when Harry was young. He's just really crap at being clear and on message so it comes out in the midst of his other angst and people think its about Meghan.

Diana dies in 1997, KC and Camilla go public in 1999 and marry in 2005 so presumably thats when she was trying to rehabilitate herself to the British public, which also ties into Harry's teen years so the stories of drugs, Nazi costume, crap A levels and the rumour that his teacher helped him on his art one, etc. Presumably he is saying all those stories were leaked to the press to encourage them to be more favourable to Camilla at the time? This is the time of Mark Bolland and there is the documentary Reinventing the Royals about that period and what he did including allegedly leaking the details of William's first meeting with Camilla.

So yes, I guess Harry has a point and is holding the grudge from that time - which is understandable its a hell of a betrayal that your teenage mistakes get front page news in order to protect your father and his girlfriend. For those interested this is a internet rabbit hole that you can spend hours in (and I wonder if Harry has done that, almost like picking the scab?)

From then on he probably second guesses everything that happens, and assumes the same game is being played but this time its Meghan who is the bad guy. Again, all plausible and plays back to the covering up other stories of the RF like William's alleged affair, PA. Afterall in he can't understand why the woman he loves, isn't being praised in the press but instead being painted like a villain. I suspect he is too self absorbed to notice that other new female members of the family have also been shredded by the press in the past, like a right of passage. And the more they kick back, the more press vilify them.

In the end of my googling, I came to the conclusion that like all of it there is a nugget of truth in what he says, his problem is its hidden behind petty points like frozen penises and bedroom size, as well as big issues like racial bias in the press. Not only has his therapist not served him well, neither have his comms people in terms of getting the real crux of his issue across.

I just find it incredibly hard to imagine that Camilla, who was so vastly unpopular at that time in the wake of Diana’s death, could possibly get away with doing this. It just seems beyond evil that you’d feed awful stories about a grieving, troubled teen … the son of the man you supposedly love … to the media in return for favourable coverage. How could she possibly get away with that? Someone would have blabbed - and even the editor of the Sun said on the news last night it doesn’t work like this.

It just doesn’t make sense - and if it WAS true then surely Harry wouldn’t have said on the interview last night that he doesn’t see her as an evil stepmother. Because that really would be evil…

I feel it’s far more likely he’s deluded and paranoid, and it’s incredibly sad to watch.

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 10/01/2023 07:36

Poor deluded wee bam wanted the press to pull stories on Camilla’s work with DV and instead tell the world his missus sings to seals and she’s magical.

Actually I’d love a Camilla interview.

“10 ways to spot abuse and what you can do”.

Fragrantandfoolish · 10/01/2023 07:38

I felt the Tom Bradby interview was very good and didn’t find him remotely fawning. I felt it was more emotionally charged as they know each other, and harry clearly had expectations of what Tom should ask and Tom didn’t meet those expectations.

the editor of the sun said he’d never witnessed a royal briefing against another royal, and he thought harry had misunderstood, he said what was done was deals. Where if they were going to print something and the royals wanted it covered up they’d say look print this instead, but it was never about another royal and they never briefed against each other. It was mainly done when the boys were growing up to protect them.

its just so so much now though. The Oprah interview, the Netflix series, the book, all these interviews. It’s like a constant barrage of attacks on the royals.

it’s went from juicy gossip to quite shocking what he’s doing, he seems to have the mind set “well they briefed against me so I’m justified “ . He keeps bizarrely saying it’s of historical significance.

He’s just so caught up in his revenge and paranoia and when you couple those mental health issues with what he was experiencing, Meghan being suicidal, collapsing on the floor weeping because Kate wanted the bridesmaids dresses remade, it’s just all so much.

Alcemeg · 10/01/2023 07:46

MrsFinkelstein · 09/01/2023 23:19

I don't have the faintest fuck how that happened with the spacing on that post

🤣 I always thought it was people being mysterious, making us wait with bated breath for their next comment!!

Honestly, I feel sorry for Harry. Everything about the situation is deeply, deeply FUBAR. The Royal Family itself is just the latest incarnation of a brutal tradition saturated with head-chopping and madness, their only "human" contact being the upper classes with their casual cruelty and blatant depravity. Throw the Stiff Upper Lip and the tabloid press into the mix, and you have about as much chance of a normal life as Hitler waking up in Hell.

No doubt he was drawn to Meghan by her Hollywood promise of a healthier, gentler environment and, having discovered glimpses of it, he is eager to get his family to loosen up and see the light too, using any means at his disposal (which involves press). But they can't, for institutional as well as personal reasons.

It's a terrible tragedy all round and I hope the whole concept of a Royal Family will be dismantled soon as an aberration that has no place in the modern world.

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 10/01/2023 07:47

It’s all very dramatic isn’t it? All this falling to the floor weeping.

When I’m really, really upset - I mean beyond the fag and calling everyone fuckers - I go to ugly, snotty crying and my hair instantly goes greasy and sticks to my head.

I’ve never collapsed to the floor “weeping” gracefully- and no doubt with much beauty.

We had one like that in my uni cohort. Whenever something happened she didn’t like, she’d dramatically faint into a nearby man’s arms. Funny really, it was agricultural college - she never hit the deck into a cow-pat, always strong male arms.

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 10/01/2023 07:49

@Alcemeg you could be right about him wanting a “gentler” life - I believe she promised him Botswana. Quite a world away from private keys and convoys of cars. No wonder the poor bam is confused.

sleeplessinsouthhampton · 10/01/2023 07:50

Im genuinely surprised about :

Harry's delusion goes as far as his perception is that 'people' (the public?) will be grateful for his revelations

calling his family abusers will help a reconciliation

that anyone cares about bridesmaid dresses or that both women probably had a little cry afterwards as you do when there's a fraught family argument

that this is his life work- fgs do something about male mental health and stigma - that should be his platform or life work

by the time meghan was on the scene neither harry or camilla had that much bad press....it seems to me that camillas image had already been rehabilitated and she was already married to charles and 'accepted' in the royal family so what would she have to gain?

that even if camilla is the baddie in all this then actually charles must be involved and ultimately the queen was behind the alleged agreement on the briefings/ planting/ leaking

if you don't do stupid/ horrible things then there's nothing to feed to the press anyway (Princess Anne) and like it or not as a member of the royal family there are higher standards of behaviour required

what he is doing with the media is exactly what diana did and to a lesser extent charles leading to an increased frenzy so his actions are implicit in feeding what he claims to abhor

his failure to even see or acknowledge how the 'other side' could feel about this

every family has sibling rivalry it's human nature not some character flaw of william

if he believes in the monarchy then he has to believe in hierarchy. He seems to have accepted the queen was top dog but is bitter about william being above him. He fails to see that he is ranked above many others of the same family and massively privileged in society. I do think this is a lesson for the royal family on how they deal with that complex issue.

Sling · 10/01/2023 07:50

@BirchOak
I'm not sure it was Camilla per say, although one presumes she knew. The press team were given the job to make her and indeed Charles popular. A teenager taking drugs is hardly an unusual story, maybe they saw it as a 'high jinx' story that would soon be past over, without considering consequences. Bolland himself in interviews and even court papers has admitted it was his job to manage their press image and to trade stories off against each other and that he did use the princes for that. Many different articles - as I say a bit of a rabbit hole - but here's a couple

www.nytimes.com/2014/12/31/world/europe/bbc-delays-airing-of-documentary-on-charles-and-camilla.html

amp.theguardian.com/media/2003/oct/27/mondaymediasection.themonarchy

And the documentary itself.

But to be clear I'm saying this is black and white, I'm saying if Harry perceived these slights as a teen, I can see how it festered given his obvious mental health issues.

MiddleAgedAndExhausted · 10/01/2023 07:52

If I were a tabloid editor, I'd think there was much more front page mileage in 'Evil Camilla steal Charles then tries to ruin Harry's reputation' than any other story. Camilla was very much the bad guy for years and Harry was very popular. The public would have loved that angle.

Sling · 10/01/2023 07:57

Really ? Or would you play the longer game, with the promise of access to lots of stories by keeping the Royal Press office on side, in return for a couple of teenage angst stories. At the time it was probably an assumption it would all be forgotten about later in life, or seen as a bit of a human touch that the kids grew out of. I don't think any one could predict where am we are now!

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 07:58

I just see Harry as a mechanical toy that is fed what to say, is wound up at the back and wheeled on. For another fee.

The number of contradictions, and double standards are now to long to even bother to list.

He seems to have no idea what on earth he is doing.

As a child and later adult that was constantly guided and assisted by aides and support he now seems entirely incapable of making rational considered decisions and judgements or any capacity to actually manage adulthood generally.

It is startling to watch. Like a toddler waddling across the M25 at rush hour.

Sling · 10/01/2023 08:00

As I say i don't think it justifies what Harry's done. However in the context of his visceral hatred of the press and paranoia of their treatment of his family, you can see where some seeds may have been planted.

Equally he's really not getting that message out there, because he's so consumed by petty slights.

LOLsloth · 10/01/2023 08:05

Skodacool · 09/01/2023 22:09

This

No, he’s being rather biting/sarcastic. He doesn’t really mean he has compassion for her being the third person in the marriage. He’s using tone to highlight the ridiculousness (in his view) of anyone feeling compassion for a situation she chose to put herself in.

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 08:05

Sling · 10/01/2023 08:00

As I say i don't think it justifies what Harry's done. However in the context of his visceral hatred of the press and paranoia of their treatment of his family, you can see where some seeds may have been planted.

Equally he's really not getting that message out there, because he's so consumed by petty slights.

He is harnessing the very same hated press to promote and make miliosn from his book among other things.

If the press decided to now ignore H&M from today, they would be screwed, he is literally savaging the hand that feeds him. The same assessment could be made of the royal family, the only true advantage and talent Harry has of interest is his connection to his family and yet he savages that relentlessly too.

The problem will be that he will now go after a reconciliation at some point, because he needs more 'fodder' in the future, and how will they ever trust him again?

To say the bridge is burnt to the ground is an understatement. He is now an outcast.

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 08:07

^this

diddl · 10/01/2023 08:17

if you don't do stupid/ horrible things then there's nothing to feed to the press anyway (Princess Anne) and like it or not as a member of the royal family there are higher standards of behaviour required

Well yes.

Also if it is about when he was younger I think a lot of it was overlooked by the public due to him losing his mum.

Or "what is he like" type comments.

I think Princess Anne went through it a bit.

Tell people to "naff orf", something about her dog/s also speeding?
(Not sure about the last one)

Then of course there was her affair with Tim Laurence & some letters from him.

Fragrantandfoolish · 10/01/2023 08:18

I suspect part of the issue is we were all led to believe William and Harry had a great relationship, when clearly this was not the case. It wasn’t bad as such but they were not as close as we thought . harry keeps basically telling us it was a competition, that William couldn’t be arsed with him, that he didn’t even know he got engaged to Kate etc.

I think as harry is and was clearly very fragile and troubled , and of course rhe rumours are William is very uptight, stuffy and proper in real life , so wouldn’t have taken Harry’s drinking, shagging and drugging well, he will have distanced himself, and Charles having his own issues, a bad marriage, acrimonious divorce, affair, becoming a single parent, it’s been the perfect storm

and now all Harry’s hard done to feelings have reached boiling point, when dealing with a wife who was suicidal, desperately unhappy, weeping a lot, feeling like he had to leave with Meghan to keep his family intact , (he specifically said they all thought Meghan would go, they just didn’t know he would go with her on the Tom Bradby interview), watching rhe happy family images of Charles and Camilla, William Kate and the kids and it’s boiled over.

Everydayaschoolday · 10/01/2023 08:23

4thtimeunlucky · 09/01/2023 21:44

I might if it reaches the works or a charity shop!

www.theworks.co.uk/p/celebrity-biographies/spare/9780857504791.html

WeWereInParis · 10/01/2023 08:23

electricmoccasins · 10/01/2023 06:49

@clyspa All of this.

One editor (I forget who now) said recently that if they went to the Palace with a story, and they asked them not to print and gave them something else, the paper would simply print both stories!

Surely that would only work once. The royals wouldn't keep doing it, if all that happened was both stories for printed.

LondonJax · 10/01/2023 08:24

I'm not wasting my money on his book. I'll read it - but go to my local library. They need my support more than he does.

sashh · 10/01/2023 08:24

I just find it incredibly hard to imagine that Camilla, who was so vastly unpopular at that time in the wake of Diana’s death, could possibly get away with doing this. It just seems beyond evil that you’d feed awful stories about a grieving, troubled teen … the son of the man you supposedly love … to the media in return for favourable coverage. How could she possibly get away with that? Someone would have blabbed - and even the editor of the Sun said on the news last night it doesn’t work like this.

Editors of The Sun are not exactly known to be truthful and upstanding members of society are they?

MarshaMelrose · 10/01/2023 08:39

The Royal Family itself is just the latest incarnation of a brutal tradition saturated with head-chopping and madness, their only "human" contact being the upper classes with their casual cruelty and blatant depravity.

What the absolute fuck? 😂😂😂 I never cease to be amazed at the ridiculous things that are said on MN which are presented as if a result of some sort of profound knowledge but in actuality shows absolute ignorance.

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 10/01/2023 08:41

@MarshaMelrose i think it shows chat ai is really taking off. 😂

JanusTheFirst · 10/01/2023 08:41

He really is an unpleasant little prick, isn't he?

He can't fuck off far enough for me.

Lies, lies, lies - easily proven.

Time he and the missus shut up.

Scoobydoobywho · 10/01/2023 08:42

I can't think of anyone else who has put their side of a story out so many times and yet still doesn't come out of it looking great. In my opinion anyway.
Though you will get Harry and Meghan supporters who think they can do no wrong and I guess their detractors who say can do nothing right.
I'm judging on what they have said and written themselves.