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Best Prince Harry Interview so far by GMA

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ttcstop · 09/01/2023 20:34

Some serious questions were at last asked by the interviewer - he did a better job in ten minutes than any other has done in 90, but Harry is so brainwashed he somehow manages to bat them away? He really cannot see any wrongdoing on his part.

I am buying the book because I'm seriously interested to hear these 'examples' of leaks.

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Ridemeginger · 18/01/2023 23:35

I don't know. That's just what she said.

vera99 · 19/01/2023 02:31

AcrossthePond55 · 18/01/2023 15:07

It's obvious that I'm NOT a big fan of H&M, but if that is so, I wouldn't call it immaturity, I'd call Harry not telling her about what to expect as absolutely deceptive. I'd put it on par with not mentioning that you have, oh, 8 children or so.

I consider myself to have a 'basic' education 'royal protocol' so I would have known about the curtsey, order of precedence + a bit more. BUT, and again I'm not a Meghan fan, we're also told that as Americans royal protocol doesn't apply to us. We can curtsey if we choose to, but it is not required nor expected. So as far as 'general ignorance', I might buy that it that someone might think the curtsey was 'optional'. BUT, she's not stupid nor naive and I don't believe for a moment that she thought it was optional in her situation. And I don't believe for one second she didn't 'know' who Harry was. Give me a break! She may not have known much about the RF but I don't believe she didn't Google extensively once they'd had a couple of dates.

Personally, I think Harry did 'lie by omission' and that shows someone who is completely selfish and without a lot of principles. I think he's spoilt and used to getting his own way. But I also think Meghan's "I didn't know" about who Harry was, about the RF in general, or about protocol is pure bullshit. She knew. I just think she thought "Well, I won't be doing that, they're going to have to deal with me as I am". They both thought 'our way or the highway' only to find out that 'The Institution' had all the power.

I think they both have a bad case of 'sour grapes' and are throwing the nastiest tantrum that's been seen in a long long time. Even Edward & Wallis behaved with more dignity than those two. I feel for Archie & Lili when they get older and read about all this crap. This isn't the 1960s where you only learnt what your parents told you about 'family squabbles'. This is all going to be 'out there' for them to see on the internet.

The Edward and Wallis canard really is totally inappropriate - Edward was an actual Nazi sympathizer that was reputed to want the Nazis to have bombed Britain into submission so he could rule as a quisling King. He should have been hung after the war for such traitorous behavior. He was saved the noose and scrutiny because he was a royal and the government needed to preserve the institution from reputational damage. Harry for all his sins is absolutely nothing like him and not only that risked his life as a serving member of the British Army for 10 years.

www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/07/traitor-king-edward-viii-interview

vera99 · 19/01/2023 02:32

The truly shocking thing about the book is your argument that members of the U.S. and U.K. intelligence services were convinced that Edward was doing something treasonous. Even Churchill seems to have believed it eventually. But you also document him trying to delay release of some of the memos about it. Why do you think he did that?

If the Queen’s uncle has committed treachery and should be executed, that’s a big story. That would shake the monarchy, so that has to be covered up. I don’t think he approved of Edward’s behavior. He certainly didn’t—I mean, he threatened to court-martial him—but he knew that this is a story that couldn’t be allowed to get out. That’s why he tried to suppress it in his communications with Eisenhower and tried to destroy the material.

Delectable · 19/01/2023 02:55

This is a good comparison twitter.com/Dharghan_/status/1615379002352353282?t=2wLaBOp9WmT4UJIxHKkc_A&s=19

AcrossthePond55 · 19/01/2023 03:00

vera99 · 19/01/2023 02:31

The Edward and Wallis canard really is totally inappropriate - Edward was an actual Nazi sympathizer that was reputed to want the Nazis to have bombed Britain into submission so he could rule as a quisling King. He should have been hung after the war for such traitorous behavior. He was saved the noose and scrutiny because he was a royal and the government needed to preserve the institution from reputational damage. Harry for all his sins is absolutely nothing like him and not only that risked his life as a serving member of the British Army for 10 years.

www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/07/traitor-king-edward-viii-interview

A 'canard' is defined as an unfounded or fabricated rumor or story. Edward's Nazism isn't a canard. As you have stated & on your linked article, it's true. Neither is H & M's reason for leaving a canard. They've been very vocal in why they left and in their criticisms.

The 'similarity' is the situation; two couples who left the RF because they could not have it their way. One couple did so quietly (at least publicly they were quiet about it) and didn't run off and write books or give interviews saying nasty stuff about their successors or the rest of the RF family. The other has loudly stomped off because they didn't get their way and has been publicly slagging the family off ever since.

I'm quite familiar with Edward's Nazi sympathies and I'm sure the Govt breathed a sigh of relief when he made the choice to marry and abdicate. Would they have allowed him to marry (even morganatically) and stay on the throne if he hadn't been a Nazi sympathizer? In that day and age, no.

vera99 · 19/01/2023 03:32

Oops I have a reputation for misusing language - thanks for the canard update and yes there are similarities but in terms of absolute criminal treachery and cover up to protect the royals Edward and Wallis far out performs whatever Harry has ever or will ever do.

And whilst we're at it let's not forget the Saxe-Coburg link with Kaiser Wilhelm a grandchild of Queen Victoria and his part in WW1 with the slaughter of millions. Much good did the family links between European monarchies do then. Indeed after the war he was allowed to die peacefully in some comfort until his death in 1941. Harry intemperately and inelegantly is beginning to understand the narrative of the family that he was born into and it's a pretty dirty one at that.

Wilhelm II was seen as the richest man in Germany before 1914. After his abdication he retained substantial wealth. It was reported that at least 60 railway wagons were needed to carry his furniture, art, porcelain and silver from Germany to the Netherlands. The kaiser retained substantial cash reserves as well as several palaces.[93] After 1945, the Hohenzollerns' forests, farms, factories and palaces in what became East Germany were expropriated and thousands of artworks were subsumed into state-owned museum

Delectable · 19/01/2023 03:51

William seems to see Harry as competition.
Here he says if Harry can do...then he can as well. twitter.com/Morgayze/status/1615017185121894406?t=9nFJJJ-d8WGMhQHf6MslUA&s=19

mixedrecycling · 19/01/2023 07:35

And whilst we're at it let's not forget the Saxe-Coburg link with Kaiser Wilhelm a grandchild of Queen Victoria and his part in WW1 with the slaughter of millions.

Bit of a stretch to pin that on the RF - Queen Victoria had over 40 grandchildren, many of whom disliked their cousin the Kaiser because he was an arrogant bully, and many who fought against him in WWI. In fact, most of the Kaiser's siblings didn't like him much either.

vera99 · 19/01/2023 12:20

mixedrecycling · 19/01/2023 07:35

And whilst we're at it let's not forget the Saxe-Coburg link with Kaiser Wilhelm a grandchild of Queen Victoria and his part in WW1 with the slaughter of millions.

Bit of a stretch to pin that on the RF - Queen Victoria had over 40 grandchildren, many of whom disliked their cousin the Kaiser because he was an arrogant bully, and many who fought against him in WWI. In fact, most of the Kaiser's siblings didn't like him much either.

Dysfunctional families spin out sociopaths/psychopaths chuck in the hereditary principle and you have potential for the perfect storm.

The Irish have this wonderful fella as their President - we could have had David Attenborough say or Gareth Malone or Kate Bingham to name but 3 it doesn't have to be Predsident Blair or Trump say which is the common refrain. Could even have the reigning monarch Charles as the last monarch / first President by default as a transition. My Royal Commission will hit the ground running ....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Higgins

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 19/01/2023 12:43

Why on earth would any of the people you've named want to be a 'president'? I never understand these threads where people say 'I think so-and-so would be good'. Presumably if they wanted a role like that would they would have stood for election in some way, you can't just force them to do it because you think they're a good role model.

AcrossthePond55 · 19/01/2023 16:44

I think we're getting WAY off topic now! The Kaiser? Blair? President Mountbatten-Windsor? All from a small comparison I made about how the D&D of Windsor left the RF vs H&M's 'decampment'. Wowsers!

mixedrecycling · 19/01/2023 16:49

😂indeed! H's great-great-grandfather's cousin (the Kaiser) is evidence of hereditary psychopathy in the RF!

newnamethanks · 19/01/2023 22:40

What's going on? Why no Romanovs? Bring them on too, shame to, leave them out when illustrating how RF treats family members.

LBFseBrom · 19/01/2023 23:20

newnamethanks · 19/01/2023 22:40

What's going on? Why no Romanovs? Bring them on too, shame to, leave them out when illustrating how RF treats family members.

The Romanovs have been the subject of other documentaries, as has the Kaiser, there was no need to bring them into Harry's which was his memoir.

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