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Best Prince Harry Interview so far by GMA

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ttcstop · 09/01/2023 20:34

Some serious questions were at last asked by the interviewer - he did a better job in ten minutes than any other has done in 90, but Harry is so brainwashed he somehow manages to bat them away? He really cannot see any wrongdoing on his part.

I am buying the book because I'm seriously interested to hear these 'examples' of leaks.

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MarshaMelrose · 10/01/2023 03:53

mathanxiety · 10/01/2023 03:38

@BraveGoldie

Excellent summing up.

The big fish the press is after is Andrew, but his misdeeds are so damaging to the RF and to the reputation of QE that some other member had to be thrown under the bus instead, and it wasn't going to be the Heir. I suspect where it all fell apart for W & H was the press finding some dirt on W. The price of silence was Andrew or someone else.

This is a family clearly raised by wolves.

If that's the palace's best attempt to hide PA's misdeeds, those PR people need to consider a different line of work. 🙄

CoffeandTiaMaria · 10/01/2023 03:57

Ticketyboots · 10/01/2023 00:28

Are they actually contracted to deliver 4 volumes….?

Yep, three more volumes of self-pitying and no holds barred insights 🤢

MeghanAndTheSeals · 10/01/2023 03:59

I’ve never watched The Late Show. Is it on Sky or do I need a subscription to something? I’ve had a quick search, but it’s been a bit conflicting and a lot of the results bring up flipping James Corden!

Morestrangethings · 10/01/2023 04:19

Did anyone hear what I heard on the GMA interview?

The interviewer said ‘I was surprised when I read that you were in the car with your father and your brother, your father kinda casually brings up Meghan and he kinda casually drops that he didn’t have enough, that he wouldn’t be able to support you both?”

And Harry said that it was kind of strange…that somehow the rules were being changed…..that it indicated that he was going on a different path, or at least his partner was going on a different path (from what was expected) , should they end up getting married.

——————

I have to read this book now. Charles, could not support Meghan? How was she supposed to earn a living? Is this true? Was Charles just having a senior moment and suddenly thought he was some old broke bloke? Surely, this should have been made known to Harry all his life, that he could expect to be supported as a working royal family member, but whoever he married was on their own financially?

Meghan could go back to acting, (as has been reported on mn, the Queen said she could, although I’m doubtful she did say that - it seems an impractical answer and the Queen never struck me as impractical), but I imagine finding roles that got royal approval would not have been easy.

God, so many questions.

sashh · 10/01/2023 04:36

steff13 · 09/01/2023 21:49

Ok, I'm in the US, and I don't understand about all these "briefings." I assumed it was someone (Camilla?) was leaking stories about Harry to the press. Is there evidence of this, and if so, how do bad stories about Harry make Camilla look better? Or have I completely misunderstood?

The royal family have always manipulated the press as much as they could hence no reporting on Mrs Simpson until the last minute.

The 'firm' can be ruthless, princess Margaret could have married Peter Townsend but she would have had to give up everything, title, cash, marrying in church.

Harry's parents often had things leaked. It was called, "the war of the Waleses".

I'm no fan of royalty but I do have some sympathy for H and M. Some of the criticism was ridiculous, Meghan closed a car door ffs!

Charles, William and Catherine are protected at all costs, that is what the firm do. They protect the principle person and the immediate heirs. If that means leaking a story that is what they will do.

clyspa · 10/01/2023 04:55

Stef13

As a counterview to the above the only example given was that camilla leaked the first meeting with William which across these threads has already been discussed (was a PA who gossiped and resigned as a result)

Leaking doesn't make a tremendous sense when you consider

  • if you leaked something about another family member they could identify it was you - imagine that scene over breakfast
  • they are family, why would you try and hurt your family like that?
  • consider the staff of various kinds around them if wondering how stuff might otherwise get out even innocently
  • media people themselves have refuted it works like that - it's more them taking stories to the palace and trying to get a reaction. If there is done truth in what is being asked about RF are better off saying nothing than being found to have lied etc
  • the negative stories are written regardless so what does the RF win? - it's like the oft tortured out bad story to cover up Williams affair - well we still heard about the affair so what's the point of this strategy if what you are trying to bury isn't buried
  • I believe they do speak to the media much like the White House does to the White House press pack - look guys can you cover the charity visit please? She'll do a walkabout afterwards, here's a list of designers she'll be wearing etc
clyspa · 10/01/2023 04:56

Sorry for typos!

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/01/2023 04:59

BraveGoldie · 09/01/2023 23:34

The leaking/ briefing accusation makes reasonable sense to me.

  1. You have an insatiable press pushing for stories, constantly investigating intrusively and willing to make up crap if unsatisfied.
  2. Family members all have their own personal branding/ reputation needs - both to be viable as successful RF members and for the sake of their personal egos and self preservation.
  3. The media beast must be fed.
  4. Both tactically, if they get wind of negative stories pending about them, they can do an explicit deal to offer something else on another family member if they don't print on an individual case basis.
  5. I can also imagine a longer term agreement - for example, that Camilla makes, for the major newspapers essentially to go easy on her, if she acts as an ongoing source during her time in the palace. (I have to say, I've always been surprised by the seeming turnaround in her reputation in Britain and her treatment in the press, so I really don't think this is impossible.)
  6. My understanding is that while Camilla's counterbriefing was recognized by both W and H and they swore never to do it to each other, he believes Will and Kate started doing the same thing when they started feeling threatened by/ jealous of H and M's popularity, and needed to bury rumours about their own marriage.

Doesn't sound fantastical to me. All through history Royal siblings and extended family have warred against one another to jostle for personal success, power and recognition. Often through actual war.... This is a modern day, media version.

All very sad.

Point 6 is completely incorrect. It was Diana and Charles, who briefed against each other. Not Camilla. William and Harry promised never to do that to one another.

Once the error made is cleared up, everything else is supposition. Camilla was hated for years. There is no way she could have briefed against H or W prior to her marriage to KC. The rehabilitation was slow. It was a long game of her showing love and Charles pushing for her image to change in the media so that her image could be rehabilitated. Camilla was not in a position to brief against anyone. Once they were married, there was no reason for her to brief against the boys. The steady work was paying off.

I cannot see any conceivable way Camilla would brief against Harry and Meghan. The stakes are too incredibly high for her. Just one drunken or indiscreet comment from a member of the press would see her entire image crashing down. People still talk about tampongate, which happened idk, 30 years ago? It would be all over the press like a rash. She’d be ruined.

The only way this could be true is if Charles briefed against his boys. That would be inconceivable.

As for the supposition that all the conflicting houses brief against one another, why is it that we don’t actually know this? There is no way this could be kept under wraps for decades and decades when the press were so clear that Charles and Diana were briefing against each other. The tabloid press loves salacious gossip. There’s no way that beast could be hidden for such a protracted period.

This looks like Harry’s paranoia imo. His mind playing tricks on him and the assumption that what went before with his parents is happening now. If anything, the RF clearly did a great deal to protect Harry. There are a great many skeletons in his closet. He’s hinted at some. A person whilst on drugs does not act like a model citizen and member of the RF.

We can see the paranoia now with this great unravelling. His mum was mentally ill. Harry is stuck as that poor 12 year old, who lost his mum desperately needing the right kind of therapy and depending on the quantity of drugs he took, they could in part be responsible for the paranoia.

It is all very sad. I feel for them all. Harry desperately needs help. I think his dad should get on a plane and I can understand why he cannot. All I can think is it is so terribly sad.

clyspa · 10/01/2023 05:02

Ultimately my view is it's a weak strategy - there's consequences (see Rooney v Vardy) and suggests you can control the media or how people will respond - both being things which should be obvious to anyone observing the Harry saga by now, that are impossible to predict with any certainty.

SpookyBlackCat · 10/01/2023 05:05

MeghanAndTheSeals · 10/01/2023 03:59

I’ve never watched The Late Show. Is it on Sky or do I need a subscription to something? I’ve had a quick search, but it’s been a bit conflicting and a lot of the results bring up flipping James Corden!

The interview will be uploaded to YouTube. The Late Show posts all their interviews on their Facebook page as well.

I think maybe the issue was that Harry was spending a small fortune on Meghan while they were dating. Rumor has it that he was paying for private jets to fly her back and forth to the UK.

There have been several reports that Charles was upset at the level of spending and was complaining that he isn’t made of money. Obviously to Harry this was unfair given how much money is spent on his brother, but it seems Charles felt that Harry was over-spending and wanted them to reign it in.

Pearsandclocks · 10/01/2023 05:07

The more I see him the more I dislike him.

i don’t know what planet he’s on. Nothing he says make sense. He truly seems to believe that if they all have a conversation and the RF acknowledge the mistakes they’ve allegedly made then they can all play happy families again, it’s utterly bizzare the way his mind works.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/01/2023 05:14

Morestrangethings · 10/01/2023 04:19

Did anyone hear what I heard on the GMA interview?

The interviewer said ‘I was surprised when I read that you were in the car with your father and your brother, your father kinda casually brings up Meghan and he kinda casually drops that he didn’t have enough, that he wouldn’t be able to support you both?”

And Harry said that it was kind of strange…that somehow the rules were being changed…..that it indicated that he was going on a different path, or at least his partner was going on a different path (from what was expected) , should they end up getting married.

——————

I have to read this book now. Charles, could not support Meghan? How was she supposed to earn a living? Is this true? Was Charles just having a senior moment and suddenly thought he was some old broke bloke? Surely, this should have been made known to Harry all his life, that he could expect to be supported as a working royal family member, but whoever he married was on their own financially?

Meghan could go back to acting, (as has been reported on mn, the Queen said she could, although I’m doubtful she did say that - it seems an impractical answer and the Queen never struck me as impractical), but I imagine finding roles that got royal approval would not have been easy.

God, so many questions.

I would be surprised if this story is true. Charles gave H&M £4.5 in April to June 2020, at a time when Harry stated they had been cut off. That £4.5m is a quote from the press btw. They moved to the US in March 2020 and pleaded poverty and were put up for free in Tyler Perry’s mansions security et al whilst pocketing the cash.

I imagine this will a case of recollections may vary. We don’t even know how this conversation came about. Harry may have been asking for more money in addition to what he had been given. Were this the case, this would have potentially given rise to such a conversation. I only joined the royal threads after H&M left. However, I do remember some posters saying that Charles paid H&M more money to live that K&W as their expenses were higher and I’m not talking about Frogmore or the wedding costs. Idk if this is true. The wedding reception also apparently went well over budget.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/01/2023 05:15

SpookyBlackCat · 10/01/2023 05:05

The interview will be uploaded to YouTube. The Late Show posts all their interviews on their Facebook page as well.

I think maybe the issue was that Harry was spending a small fortune on Meghan while they were dating. Rumor has it that he was paying for private jets to fly her back and forth to the UK.

There have been several reports that Charles was upset at the level of spending and was complaining that he isn’t made of money. Obviously to Harry this was unfair given how much money is spent on his brother, but it seems Charles felt that Harry was over-spending and wanted them to reign it in.

Cross post. This gives more weight to my supposition.

ArmyofMunn · 10/01/2023 05:19

This is the only interview I have ever seen (with any royal) where the interviewer hasn't been fawning and deferring - in fact the guy looks like he's seriously sizing him up.

I think it really took Harry back - like he's realising for the first time that maybe the whole world hadn't got him on a pedestal.

Soapnutty · 10/01/2023 05:21

The 'firm' can be ruthless, princess Margaret could have married Peter Townsend but she would have had to give up everything, title, cash, marrying in church.

This is mainly not true. Historical papers show that Margaret was told she could keep her title and cash but she would have to give up her line of succession. I have not read about if she could marry in church but as Townsend was divorced she probably would have only been able to have a church blessing, like Charles and Camilla.

vera99 · 10/01/2023 05:31

mathanxiety · 10/01/2023 03:38

@BraveGoldie

Excellent summing up.

The big fish the press is after is Andrew, but his misdeeds are so damaging to the RF and to the reputation of QE that some other member had to be thrown under the bus instead, and it wasn't going to be the Heir. I suspect where it all fell apart for W & H was the press finding some dirt on W. The price of silence was Andrew or someone else.

This is a family clearly raised by wolves.

The gagging order expires in February and there is rumours of a book underway.After seeing Andrew act the victim she may be minded to reveal all.

vera99 · 10/01/2023 05:33

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/01/2023 05:15

Cross post. This gives more weight to my supposition.

Charles moaning about money whilst secretly lobbying government to keep their pile out of taxation clutches.

Plbrookes · 10/01/2023 05:40

vera99 · 10/01/2023 05:33

Charles moaning about money whilst secretly lobbying government to keep their pile out of taxation clutches.

That makes sense. What are you struggling with?

susan12345678 · 10/01/2023 06:00

I tried watching but find Harry unwatchable - he really gives me the ick.

And imagine actually mocking someone else's baldness whilst wearing that faux ginger fluff on his head.

EasternEcho · 10/01/2023 06:23

How on earth do they remember every little look, slight, comment, the event/context where they made to allegedly make them look bad? Did M walk around with a notepad? I couldn't keep track of every minute grudge like this, even if it were true.

Sling · 10/01/2023 06:44

On the Camilla point that she "sacrificed him on her personal PR Altar" I didn't get it, so I did some googling. I think the whole thing is not about Meghan, its about when Harry was young. He's just really crap at being clear and on message so it comes out in the midst of his other angst and people think its about Meghan.

Diana dies in 1997, KC and Camilla go public in 1999 and marry in 2005 so presumably thats when she was trying to rehabilitate herself to the British public, which also ties into Harry's teen years so the stories of drugs, Nazi costume, crap A levels and the rumour that his teacher helped him on his art one, etc. Presumably he is saying all those stories were leaked to the press to encourage them to be more favourable to Camilla at the time? This is the time of Mark Bolland and there is the documentary Reinventing the Royals about that period and what he did including allegedly leaking the details of William's first meeting with Camilla.

So yes, I guess Harry has a point and is holding the grudge from that time - which is understandable its a hell of a betrayal that your teenage mistakes get front page news in order to protect your father and his girlfriend. For those interested this is a internet rabbit hole that you can spend hours in (and I wonder if Harry has done that, almost like picking the scab?)

From then on he probably second guesses everything that happens, and assumes the same game is being played but this time its Meghan who is the bad guy. Again, all plausible and plays back to the covering up other stories of the RF like William's alleged affair, PA. Afterall in he can't understand why the woman he loves, isn't being praised in the press but instead being painted like a villain. I suspect he is too self absorbed to notice that other new female members of the family have also been shredded by the press in the past, like a right of passage. And the more they kick back, the more press vilify them.

In the end of my googling, I came to the conclusion that like all of it there is a nugget of truth in what he says, his problem is its hidden behind petty points like frozen penises and bedroom size, as well as big issues like racial bias in the press. Not only has his therapist not served him well, neither have his comms people in terms of getting the real crux of his issue across.

electricmoccasins · 10/01/2023 06:49

@clyspa All of this.

One editor (I forget who now) said recently that if they went to the Palace with a story, and they asked them not to print and gave them something else, the paper would simply print both stories!

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 07:00

ArmyofMunn · 10/01/2023 05:19

This is the only interview I have ever seen (with any royal) where the interviewer hasn't been fawning and deferring - in fact the guy looks like he's seriously sizing him up.

I think it really took Harry back - like he's realising for the first time that maybe the whole world hadn't got him on a pedestal.

Agree. He is an ex NFL player. I think you could tell he didn’t respect Harry’s speaking out. I’m sure he would have plenty stories in his teammates etc but it something you just don’t do.

smilesy · 10/01/2023 07:03

The Telegraph is reporting this morning that the Palace lawyers contacted GMA while the programme was on air and asked for a transcript of the interview

Best Prince Harry Interview so far by GMA
Orangefir · 10/01/2023 07:22

Agree @BraveGoldie

it’s in the papers that up until recently, he was still smoking weed. While the kids were sleeping. I think it’s had a major effect on him and his paranoia

I remember watching something on BBC which was about young men on psych wards. The clinician was saying all of them smoked and talked about the effect it has on the developing brain.

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