Harry needs to go NC

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Harry needs to go NC with his family and grieve for the kind of family he never had.

It is clear they are completely dysfunctional. I believe everything he says. He has gained awareness of the abuse going on, but now sees abuse everywhere. It is typical for abuse survivors. Once you have seen it you see it everywhere and it is hard to distinguish which part is the abuse and which part is human.

He needs to spend time with himself, continue to process and come to terms with everything rather than selling it.

In time he might understand that he cannot change them and he cannot convince them to change. They'll either wake up or they won't. He can only decice how he wants to deal with what they give him. He has not yet understood he needs to let go of them, which is the reality of many that have been abused.

William was the golden child and Harry the scapegoat. Trouble is he finds issue with 'normal' things (bigger and smaller bedroom's..) rather than pinpointing the systematic abuse he has suffered.

He's trying to convince the world he was treated unfairly. A sign that he is not ready to let go and wants approval from millions. He is in pain.

Instead of books and interviews, he should write a diary (and not publish it).

I love the royals including Harry but I think he needs to stop and go live his life with his family

I wonder if M eggs him on. 'It's best we separate. You never seem to support me enough in public.' And H is desperate to save his marriage?

He's still responsible for his actions though.

I also believe that Harry should go NC - but not for the reasons given in the OP.

Unless someone can showm me Harry actually saying that, Harry never said his family were racist.
The press said Harry said his family were racist, they kindly paraphrased a nice headline for themselves.

They talked about the discussion of the potential skin of the baby. He was explaining to them this shouldn't be a talking point.

I do think they are a very dysfunctional family and i believe anyone raised within the life they have/do will be. It must be so intense and claustrophobic, always on show and conforming. No wonder they have MH issues.

I think they need time away from each other but i think it would be nice if they could come back together. Harrys admitted he has done things wrong and happy to apologise to his family for those things, but they also need to acknowledge their huge failings throughout this and learn from it so Williams kids dont face the same upbringing.

Harry never said his family were racist.

Technically this is true. However, the Oprah interview describes racist behaviour he and Meghan attribute to his family, and linked the lack of title for Archie to the colour of his skin. Harry also accepted an award for highlighting racism in the royal family. It was blatantly obvious that he was accusing them of racism, and everyone watching could see that for themselves. In the Netflix documentary he (rightly) talks about how the wealth of the royal family includes profits from Empire, and again links the royal family to racism. He didn’t personally use the word “racist”, that is true. But he did (for the vast majority of both fans and haters alike) portray them as such.

This, however, is an example of exactly why I don’t trust him at all. He’s either trying to backtrack from what he said using a technicality or he doesn’t understand the meanings of sentences / conversations as he’s using / having them. Both options make him an unreliable narrator.

Personally, I think it was him trying to backtrack to improve his image in the UK. He didn’t make those “I never said they’re racist” comments in his US interview - perhaps because it suits him if the US public continue to believe the royal family to be racist. But he did include insinuations in that interview which would have been instantly recognisable as false to a UK journalist and audience (eg being the only member of the family not on board the plane trying to get to Balmoral on the day the Queen died). He’s trying to play to both markets, and in doing so he further undermines his own credibility.

So he never called his family racist. That was a lie. Another lie.

He raised issues that concerned him about the behaviour of his family towards his child because of the colour of his skin.
He never says they are racist, nor did most people i know take it as such, despite the daily mail peddling it as fact, again and joe public lapping it up because they want to.

I have had conversations with people about the terminology they use and how they need to redress the way they think of things, i know they are not intently racist people, but they just need to educate themselves on it.

He later explains that the conversation was around the unconcious bias, he was highlighting the issues to them in the hope they would realise this. The hope that they would see that they need to learn to be aware of this unconscious bias before it becomes more questionable and veers over to racism.

eg being the only member of the family not on board the plane trying to get to Balmoral on the day the Queen died)

He wasnt on the plane with William?

What interview are you referring to ? What does Harry say ?

He later explains that the conversation was around the unconcious bias, he was highlighting the issues to them in the hope they would realise this. The hope that they would see that they need to learn to be aware of this unconscious bias before it becomes more questionable and veers over to racism.

Not buying that at all.

He scours the headlines, probably on a daily basis, he sees what is written about him.

Unconscious Bias was nothing to do with him wanting to highlight and educate his family out of the goodness of his heart and everything to do with him being the only person in the RF proven to have used racist language and him being able to re-label (blame it on) unconscious bias for his own benefit, thus in his mind he has now squared that circle and got himself 'off that hook' (he'd be wrong).

If we have learnt nothing else over the last week it's that he gives not one fig for his family, he said what he said on OW, he knew what the headlines would be and he left it like that for two years until, selfishly, he needed to get himself out of a tricky spot. Ta Da out of the woodwork a defence of 'they aren't racist it's unconscious bias and it's this that was the reason behind me calling someone a P* and a R** head. I mean who buys into this guff?

The 60 minute interview. He said that all of the members of the family were on the plane and he wasn’t invited. He implied that Kate was with William on the plane and the voiceover said that he was left to make his own way there and didn’t make it in time. They (Harry and the show) conveniently forgot to mention that Kate didn’t actually go, that “all of the family” didn’t include any grandchild except William, and that nobody on the plane made it in time. He took a (possibly) true story and spun it to make it look like he was a tragic victim and the royal family were cartoon baddies.

And the “he didn’t call them racist” nonsense is about as convincing as Colleen Rooney’s “I didn’t accuse Vardy, I accused her instagram account”. Whilst technically true, nobody with and sense would accept that the inference was an unforeseen error.

So saying hes said things when he hasnt is a lie ! There is so much "he said." Then its "Oh well no he didnt" and it transpires that what you should say is "I interpreted it as" or "I believed the daily mail and formed an.opinion before finding out what he actually said"

But he didnt lie that he wasnt on the plane, he wasn't ?

And the “he didn’t call them racist” nonsense is about as convincing as Colleen Rooney’s “I didn’t accuse Vardy, I accused her instagram account”. Whilst technically true, nobody with and sense would accept that the inference was an unforeseen error

No, its just the truth.

He lied when he said all the other members of the family were on the plane (they weren’t). That is public record, with no inference needed. The clip that section of the 60 minutes interview was tweeted by the programme last night, so Harry’s words are easy to find.

“it’s not my fault you inferred the thing I implied” is a liar’s defence.

FWIW, I’ve never read the daily mail and wouldn’t touch the s*n with a 10 foot barge pole - I’m from Liverpool and had family members at Hillsborough so no need to lecture me on how bad the tabloid press can be. I also deliberately watched the 6 hours on Netflix so I could hear their exact words as told by themselves. I won’t be buying the book though, I’m not prepared to spend money hearing any more “woe is me” spin.

He implied that Kate was with William on the plane, and the voiceover said that he was left to make his own way there and didn’t make it in time

You even say he "implied" kate was on there, so he doesn't say she was. He did have to make his own way there.
He didn't make it in time.

It is absolutely fine for people to watch him and form a negative opinion. I find it tedious hearing people regurgitate lie after lie that is the basis for their opinion.

I've also watched all the interviews and netflix and from liverpool, and most the people we know back him leaving and back him speaking out and give his own side rather than the press being able to keep shafting people.

Harrys admitted he has done things wrong and happy to apologise to his family for those things

What did he say these things were that he did wrong?

Well few I know support him now - the vast majority dislike him, the royal family, the inequality the monarchy represents as well as the tabloid press. It is entirely possibly to think the whole damn system stinks. Plenty supported him and Meghan initially though, both when they married and when they left the UK. Perhaps we move in different circles.

I am not repeating any lies at all. I was very clear in my descriptions which bits he said “all the family” were on the plane, which bits were implied (Kate as he mentioned asking how her and William were getting her, but it is possible that she might not count as “all the family” on the plane in the next sentence) and which bits were the show (the voiceover).

At least check the clip before you accuse me (who has watched it) of not knowing Harry’s actual words.

Yes we do move in different circles, Most i know, who have seen all the interviews and documentaries (like me 👍) they appreciate the point he is trying to make, the reasons behind it and that it is a good thing to address and call out these issues. He is highlighting the system is awful (for those who are open to see) they want change, and this a step to open that up.

You did lie by saying Harry called his family racist, he didnt. So i will say it. You even then backtrack and say well yes technically (🙄) he didn't say it..... So he didn't say it then. But thats that.

Hes had years of lies in the press. He can have a few interviews and opportunities to speak back and right a few wrongs.

You did lie by saying Harry called his family racist, he didnt. So i will say it. You even then backtrack and say well yes technically (🙄) he didn't say it..... So he didn't say it then. But thats that.

Apologise actually it wasnt you saying he did say racist- you were saying it was inferred so apologies for getting you confused, you didnt carry on with the lie it was a previous poster.

Eddie Mairs wife would never say that so I'm calling fake ! That said he did get the hump when Andrew Marr came over to LBC and did a runner...

This rewriting re the racist element is really pissing me off now.

Harry has pissed me off by backtracking 2 years later.

The posters now saying “they never said they were racist” are pissing me off because we’ve had two years of how racist the RF are.

Dont dick around with fucking semantics. The whole bloody world know what the main bombshell of their OW interview was. It was as plain as bloody day. Some of you may have had a visit from MIB with their magic device, but most of us haven’t.

The fact Harry has now dismissed/minimised this is unbelievable.

THIS is a good example of the danger of throwing out unsubstantiated “accusations”. I’m pissed off on so many levels. This was damaging to the whole RF (because no one knew who to focus on re apologies, learning, etc). And it’s damaging to H&M with regards to the platform they’ve been building, a lot of which has definitely been in relation to their OW revelations.

But, again, a reminder that SO much of the argument on here has been based on the fallout from that OW interview. For posters to now just casually go “yeah, he never said that” is gaslighting writ large. It has been one of, if not THE, main arguments on here re the RF. I’m not talking about the press conduct, I’m talking specifically about the RF.

If Bradby hadn’t started that question, which Harry punched back with very quickly, I don’t think we’d even know today that there was a conflict of meaning. Think about that for just a second. Would Harry or Meghan have ever come out and said it wasn’t racism? Because, two years down the line, I don’t think they would. Which is sad and worrying on so many levels.

Apologies for the repetitive language, can you tell I’m slightly annoyed? 🤣

I agree. They are gaslighty as well!

When the situation with the plane and demands for Meghan to be there was even overshadowing the last hours and minutes of her Majesty's life
there was not a shred of decency or compassion whatsoever.

It was, incredibly, still all about their wants and their demands!

Their motto still standing even on the cusp of such an historical and deeply difficult and huge loss for our country, the commonwealth and the whole world - we were losing something so precious and constant in our lives and yet still all we could hear was the relentless mosquito whine of 'what Meghan wants Meghan gets', even as the Queen actually died..

It was astonishingly poor form. That is what we are dealing with here.

Lets be clear, even at the moment of the Queen's passing Harry was still having a strop about bloody meghan. Kate was not on the plane, and yet Harry still insisted he wanted meghan there (and at the time she was being followed around with her netflix cameras and team) No doubt the visuals of them on a private jet rushing to say goodbye to our dying Queen would have been 'beneficial' to them/Netflix/ increase the value and footage.

It was disgusting.

He is highlighting the system is awful (for those who are open to see) they want change, and this a step to open that up.

He is part of the system. I initially believed he didn't want to be (hence leaving) but when he starting using the courts to try to get his security paid for by tax payers, continuing to use his title etc then I don't believe he actually wants to bring the system down at all. His words may suggest that to you (though obvious I disagree) but his actions certainly don't.

He is highlighting the system is awful (for those who are open to see) they want change, and this a step to open that up

Harry is exploiting the very same system, for many tens of millions, what do you say about that?