Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

You don't need etiquette lessons to know you don't make sly comments about a new mother's hormones! What a horrid thing to say.

Can you just imagine the backlash if Kate had said that to Meghan? She would have been accused of all sorts.

Did you not watch Harry’s interview? The comment on baby brain was in the midst of a summit they all had to try to resolve issues, one where it was going so badly wrong Kate’s fingers were apparently white from gripping the chair so hard.

it was during this that Meghan chose to inform her she had baby brain and hormone issues.

so not benign. But that doesn’t mean Kate and William haven’t been unwelcoming and judgey. I’ve no clue.

But I think it’s a given that it wasn’t benign and was in the middle of a discussion to try to resolve issues. It’s also clear meghans bullying was a continual subject at the time and one William was trying to resolve. It isn’t something that just came up when they left as Meghan and harry tried to say, it was a major issue before they even married

Only from what I've read, and only in my opinion; I think Kate was probably getting annoyed with MM trying to force a closer relationship with her. The ripped jeans, hugging, personal 'jokey' comments and asking to borrow personal items would grate on me, especially if there already tensions in the background

I think Meghan went in thinking like all of us, the brothers love each other. However, Harry is now saying the opposite and I don't think Meghan would have known this in the beginning.

In the world today there are children being sexually abused, sexually exploited, physically abused, emotionally abused. There are children being forced to fight, children starving, children dying from malnutrition, children sold by their parents into slavery because the parents have no money, there is wat, famine, people losing while families and their houses and livelihoods in Ukraine and elsewhere.

Harry's complaints about his family are something about lipgloss, his father speaking tenderly to him and touching his knee rather than hugging him, and his brother getting frustrated with him! Most people would be happy for this to be their only problems!

Sure, harry lost his mum. I'm sad for him about that. He's had 4 or 5 years of therapy to overcome it. He has access to all the best support money can buy. Plenty of people have lost family. If he continues to be haunted about it, maybe he should have more respect for the fact his brother also lost his mum, his father has just lost his mum and dad, and Harry not the centre of the universe

My friends and I do this a lot.

Last time we were out, one of the group had a new 'lip plumping' gloss and we passed it around the table and all tried it. I don't think that's unusual.

Anyway, I think both Kate and William sound very uppity. I bet their public personas when on engagements are markedly different from behind closed doors.

'Baby brain' is infuriating and patronising, and for Catherine any insinuation she had any kind of problem could be a media storm, of course they wouldn't want that kind of thing said. Every moment and interaction they have is studied in minute detail (remember the storm over Louis fidgeting?).

With the added knowledge H&M are likely to discuss every detail to fit their narrative.

Of course they have a life of immense wealth and privilege, with that they have been taught to be very formal and rigid. Megan has said herself she wasn't prepared for the reality of the royal family, these faux pas were inevitable.

Obviously I don't know any of them, but public impressions of W&C are a lot more positive that H&M and there has to be a reason for that. Interviews, books and media coverage aside I think W&C come across a lot more natural than H&M.

@Swissmountains
I disagree I do t think it was sly at all, I think she was trying to be helpful and bail her out. Also don't be over sensitive about the term 'baby brain' it's a real thing that everyone understands and allows for, to me and all of my mum friends we find it quite a funny disadvantage of having a baby, so we laugh about it, I can fully see why Meghan would have said that, and I don't think it was offensive in the slightest.

After so many lies, I don't believe a word that comes out of Harry & Markle's mouths. It never happened.

I am confused and probably showing my ignorance here, but many posters have objected to Meghan being called “uppity” so I don’t understand why it is ok to use this term re Catherine? I have seen it on several threads. Can anyone explain please?

I agree op especially the baby brain comment. Anyone who would be offended by that needs to grow up

See also: the fact the palace was made to comment against the Botox and hair extension rumours (both of which are true btw). She cares deeply about her image and clinging to her youth more than anything else and Meghan threatened that both by being better at public engagement and by being the new girl.

I don't think it's petty really. I think banging on about it years later is petty.

Where did the watch a long thread from last night go?

Baby brain is the same as asking a woman if she's upset because she's on her period. Something I can bet many people would find offensive , but Meghan fans will defend the comment no matter what.
And no OP, I don't think Kate comes across that way.

In the past black people were often referred to as "uppity". There's this whole thing from the deep south where people talked about "uppity insert N word". That's why it's offensive to use it against a biracial person.

They just don’t appear to have gelled. There is no right or wrong here, it does not mean one of them is wrong and the other saintly. They just did not get on.

I think in context, the baby brain remark was offensive. It wasn't Kate saying "ok I've forgotten to do x" and Meghan saying "ha ha is that baby brain", it was Kate raising an issue with Charlotte's dress and Meghan minimising it saying she had baby brain. It's different.

Generally I would agree that people who rise to it are oversensitive, just ignore. If you get offended about every possible slight you will be very miserable, pick your battles (and boundaries). But Kate doesn't strike me as being miserable so I am prepared to think if she got offended there was a good reason.

You're right their is two sides to a story. Context is key isn't it, it's the manner in which in things are said a certain way. The fact her behaviour was appalling towards staff says alot. That the way she speaks to people is the issue. Obviously they are selling their own narrative.

But since you weren't there and the comment wasn't directed at you, it's frankly irrelevant whether you would have hypothetically found it offensive or not.

What a horrible character assassination.
Many of the people complaining about criticisms of Harry & Meghan seem fine with rude judgemental crap like this about others.

Kate vs Meghan

That's what the press want don't they?

I am sure both of them are nice in small doses

I’ve never seen or heard Kate behave anything less than appreciative and happy to lead a privileged life as part of the Royal Family. She appears to get on well with them all and understands and accepts the traditions that are part and parcel of appearing in public and representing the Royal Family.

As far as I know she has simply just got on with it with good grace and without a need to complain or whinge about it in public.

I think the two women couldn’t stand each other. Meghan found Kate too reserved and unfriendly, Kate found Meghan over familiar and gushy. Neither of those are wrong. Some people find change difficult and resist it - Kate - and I think Meghan hoped that she and Kate might become confidantes - believing themselves to be in the same situation - lack of briefing from Harry yet again.

The one on the back foot though was always Meghan, trapped as she was on a lower rung with absolutely no prospects of promotion. I can’t stand M & H but I have said all along that I couldn’t always play second fiddle to a SIL I didn’t like, and I have never blamed them for getting out of that situation.

IT's crazy how people are fighting against evidence in front of their eyes. So they were "welcoming"? Yet we all saw when Archie was born, William said "I'm already an uncle" and neither of them could be bothered to summon up any enthusiasm or even say the baby's name. Kate wore cream to the wedding. Neither of them read as "welcoming" in their behaviour. They read as pretty toxic.