Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

Kate vs Meghan.

Yet only one of them keeps bitching about the other. In our RLs it is usually the gobby one is usually the one causing the drama. Certainly my experience anyway.

If you were Kate wouldn't you be pretty cautious about trusting new people? There's been relatively few friends dishing gossip type stories about her - she does have friends nut they're old friends who are loyal.

Then in bounces Meghan, all huggy and I want to be your bestie. At this point she's still running a social media blog. So you're polite but cautious.

Time passes and you just don't get on. Two different personalities. You rub each other up the wrong way. Then there's some confusion where Meghan claims she told you one thing, but you're bloody sure she didn't, and Meghan responds to "no you didn't tell me that" with "yes I did you've just got baby brain". In that situation it's not surprising she found it rude

The worst they can come up with is "she was a bit frosty " without any self reflection whatsoever.

No

This is a family that has formality as part of its makeup - they are colleagues as well as relatives, colleagues within a strict hierarchy. Asking to borrow Kate’s lipgloss is like asking to borrow your boss’s wife’s lipgloss. You just wouldn’t. Also when asked, Kate was pregnant. I am sure she wasn’t briefed on Meghan’s medical history so had no idea whether she might have a cold-sore in the offing. Catching Herpes Simplex virus in pregnancy can be dangerous to the baby.

I'd be pretty annoyed and eye rolling if a grown woman who was only there as a chaperone was getting snivelly and opinionated over tights at MY wedding/bridesmaid dress fitting. but hey, we don't know what happened, if it even did, so don't really care.

i do not think that. I think Meghan went in there like a wrecking ball, operation CHARM and when they were a bit wary, hung back a bit, she was extremely insecure about that but without actually recognising that feeling as insecurity.

Not a fan of any of them, but my thoughts:

I find it hard to believe Kate winced or grimaced at the lip gloss. A) she loaned it to her, so how did she expect her to apply it? B) I thought she had impeccable manners? Someone with impeccable manners wouldn't do this.

"You don't know me well enough to talk about my hormones". Meh, I can't imagine someone saying that. If William did wag his finger at her, I think she must have said something worse.

But nobody knows 🤷‍♀️

Which photographed as cream, which was her plan

What would that plan be? Genuinely - because it seems like the only outcome of that would be getting slagged off for wearing cream. Her coat dress thing was never going to upstage anybody. It also looks yellow in photos from inside the chapel. It's just in the bright sun on the steps it looks lighter.

Plus if you look at the family photo of Harry, Meghan, parents, William, Kate, and bridesmaids/pageboys it's clearly coordinated. The queen is wearing a fairly pale green, Doria is in a paler green, Camilla in blush pink and Kate in yellow. It all goes together, with the bridesmaids in cream, and the green and white bouquets. It's all a very fresh look - if any of the women had been in a darker colour, it would have stood out. I always assumed that was deliberate.

I just think they have nothing in common with each other, and don't really get on. End of. I could say the same about my sister-in-law.

It doesn't need to be whipped into such a "drama".

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

I suspect there is something in this, I doubt it was as much as great formality and one of their subjects, that’s a little hyperbolic, but I do think that as they didn’t know her and it was early in the relationship I think they were likely just quite polite and formal, and Meghan was all hugs and let’s have a go of your lip gloss.

Agree with this.

If these events are so benign and meaningless why the hell are they being dragged up and written about?

Who are the ones keeping these balls in the air 5 years on? It's not Kate.

OP - can you imagine how it would feel if someone in your family wrote a book and went on TV to tell their side of some (what you thought were long forgotten) moments between you and them 5 years ago? If you couldn't retaliate remember.

Me? I'd feel like forcibly inserting the bloody up gloss up their left nostril.

The press have called Kate 'Dolittle' for years now and people parrot that. However, she does seem to do engagements. She keeps her head down and gets on with things. Her family have been the target of much negative press too. Hey hoo that doesn't matter though. Camilla lots of negative press over the years too. I think people in the public eye do get treated badly by the press it isn't just M that has.

Thank you. That is what I thought. So does it revert to its original meaning in relation to the Princess of Wales? It just seems a rather unusual and deliberate choice of word?

I’d be pretty stressed if an “assertive” bride wanted to put my toddler in new shoes without socks - I know my own dd would have found that very uncomfortable, and had the bride insisted I probably would have withdrawn her as bridesmaid. Kate couldn’t do that so was trapped with the impractical demands of a bride with no children, which impacted for hours on her own child.

And this. I have no relationship with my SIL as she's a moron. She probably thinks the same about me.

I don't believe a word that Harry or Meghan says now. They seem to be digging around trying to think of the most petty examples of things that happen to everyone, and that most peopel just shrug off and move on. Instead, H&M have made a career out of nursing grudges and spewing spite. It's all so petty, banal, and unedifying.

They're all such empty headed bores. They should read an improving book and then answer set questions on said text. Then they should do a course on car mechanics. A proper use of their time.

I bet mean girl vibes from her and Pippa bet they are loving the criticism of Meghan.

I just can't imagine many DH's writing a memoir and including details of a lipgloss.

Make it stop!

Imagine if every disagreement or argument you ever had was recounted solely by the person you argued with (a known liar) and you were compelled not to respond. How would you feel?

Awful family, I’d be glad to be out of it and keep my snout out.

Given that the royals hug randoms people, what’s the big deal about hugging M. FGS.

Ofcourse they are. They see her as an imposter and beneath them.
If you hang around royal families this attitude is prevalent. It's one of the reason progressive thinkers and countries do not support it. Even amongst their staff. Those who work closely with the RF member look down on domestic staff in the kitchen and those in the kitchen look down on those who work out doors eg gardeners etc. It's a horrid entitlement structure. You can observe it in some period dramas or historic films too.

They all continue to support Andrew simply because he's royal.

Mean girls? Another misogynistic trope. Kate is a 41 year old women, mother of three children and Princess of Wales who lives her life in the public eye.

It's impossible to have a fair view on what happened, who was rude and who's more at fault when we only heard one side of the story.
Like you I tend to think there was nothing wrong with the "baby brain" comment for example but without knowing what really happened, it's impossible to say. It all depends who it was said and in what context. The same remark can be completely innocent or really horrible. It all depends.