Anyone else think Kate is coming across as a bit precious and over-sensitive? Baby brain, lip gloss etc.

[SallyWD]

I'll start by saying I know there are 2 sides to every story. Also, I'm not a Megan fan. I have no idea what she's like. She might be awful. I neither like her, nor dislike her. I feel the same way about Kate.

But anyway, in light of the stories that Harry is telling, does anyone else feel that Kate (and William) comes across as rather precious and over sensitive?

First of all there's the baby brain incident. Apparently Kate forgot something or made a mistake and Megan responded by saying "Oh don't worry, it's probably the baby brain". Kate then feels insulted by this remark and says something along the lines of "You don't me well enough to comment on my hormones". William joins in by pointing his finger at Megan and saying "It's rude Megan, we don't do that here." I mean seriously?? I think the baby brain remark was completely benign. I'm sure Megan was trying to reassure Kate not to worry about her mistake. Just after having my baby I paid for my shopping and walked out leaving it in the shop. The cashier had to call me back and I apologised. She also said "Don't worry, it's the baby brain". I wasn't at all offended. I was relieved she understood! I certainly didn't think "How dare a stranger comment on my hormones". The irony of William telling Megan off for rudeness whilst pointing his finger at her. I find it far more rude to point in someone's face than to mention baby brain. If I was Megan and had received that reaction to my innocent remark I would have felt humiliated and very upset.

Then there's the lipgloss incident. Megan asked to borrow Kate's lipgloss. Kate lends it to her then gets upset that she dabs it with her finger. I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no. I don't understand what's so upsetting about Megan using her finger? If I lent someone my lip gloss I'd insist they used their finger and not their mouth. Apparently the mouth harbours more germs than your average toilet.

Then there's the report that William and Kate were uncomfortable being hugged by Megan. There are literally hundreds of photos of William and Kate hugging random strangers on the internet! Yet when Megan makes this faux pas it's offensive to them.

It seemed like William and Kate expected to be treated with great formality by Megan - as if she was one of their subjects. It also seems that Megan couldn't do anything right! Megan on the other hand perhaps expected a little more intimacy given that they were her partner's family. It doesn't sound like they did much to make her feel comfortable and welcome in to the family. Does anyone agree/disagree?

Yes I agree.
I think Kate is probably very uptight.
Megan was probably very over familiar.
I think there was a strong clash of personalities.
Neither are perfect and neither are totally to blame.
It's such a shame really.

I think Kate comes across well overall, but obviously I don’t know her. If “makes a face when asked to share lipgloss” and “doesn’t feel comfortable hugging on first meeting” is the worst they can throw at her she probably can’t be that bad.

The allegations from Harry seem a bit mad. Can anyone really remember exactly what was said in a conversation which took place nearly five years ago, the tone of the remarks, the wider context and what had gone before it? How can anyone draw any meaningful conclusions from one person’s recollection of a brief interaction, five years later?

😂They are not just SILs, they are colleagues in the firm, well were.

I agree with pp it's Harry and Meghan who are precious and over-sensitive.

Exactly

Also agree with this

I mean I'm team Meghan all the way, I think there's more than meets the eye with the royal family in fact I'm sure there's stuff that harry and Meghan don't share about the inner workings of the family/ media, anyone who believes we're allowed to see everything is very mistaken.
However, why an earth have you taken so much time to post on here, with full on detailed stories about the situation?
First thing that crosses my mind is that you're doing it to up the publicity of the situation, or that you're actually Megan anonymously and need reassurance. Do let me know which one it is 😂

You think the remark was 'completely benign ' and most times it would be but when it's coming from someone who is jealous and resentful of you, even the most innocuous remark can be used as an insult.

Nothing screams 'warm' more than mocking a pregnant woman you barely know.

And derisory jokes about hormones? How feminist! Maybe Meghan should listen to some podcasts about harmful stereotypes, sorry 'archetypes' regarding women? She might learn to be less obnoxious, although that's doubtful.

I understand some people don't want to share lip gloss but Kate could have said no

Then she'd have been accused of being even more uptight.

The baby brain comment - the context was a meeting between the four of them to improve the relationships wasn't it? So already they didn't like each other/didn't get along that well. In that case, if I were Meghan, I wouldn't have made that comment. Maybe Kate overreacted, but there is no info about the rest of the conversation and I can definitely think of situations where I wouldn't like someone to make that comment to me.

No I don’t. I don’t think anyone is over sensitive. That is a slur. People are entitled to be sensitive and feel things and have their feelings hurt. I actually think certainly in the wedding incident Kate behaved really well by trying to sort it out with flowers etc and she is as entitled to her emotions as everyone else.

However I do think that W+K took an immediate dislike of M. That was always going to be a tough one to navigate. There were cultural differences to overcome that were never overcome and then there was some sharp family practice and some bad behaviour on all sides and ultimately that and what followed has brought these issues into sharp focus. I like them all. They seem to be really good people who cannot deal with real issues that persist across generations in their family and it is very sad.

This is what I think

This. Bit like men calling women who don’t jump into bed with them ‘frigid’ or a ‘prude’. More misogyny.

Complete DARVO. The petty ones are H&M for making a meal out of these minor incidents (if they did happen). And if this is the sum total they have on Kate to put in their wretched books and interviews, I'd say Kate is a marvellous bloody trooper.

Even if his accounts are true - it is one side of two very petty, insignificant, possibly misconstrued or twisted-to-suit-her-narrative (by MM) incidents.

That is my main take from all this. It’s all just so damn inane and silly.

They need to go get a life. Of their own. In America. Like, yesterday.

I thought that was what they wanted? So Why aren’t they?

The “ dialogue” in your OP is complete fiction - there are no details of the baby brain remark.
I was once teased about baby brain when pregnant - it is dismissive and offensive.

And since this is an anti-Kate thread, let me contribute - I think she is quite formal and guarded. I wouldn’t choose her for a friend, but I 100% would choose her as PoW and future Queen.

I can see how MM’s over-familiarity and fake chumminess would grate.

Notyetamother · Today 12:20
I mean I'm team Meghan all the way, I think there's more than meets the eye with the royal family in fact I'm sure there's stuff that harry and Meghan don't share about the inner workings of the family/ media, anyone who believes we're allowed to see everything is very mistaken.

Really!? Considering the things Harry has shared what could he possibly be coy about?

Yes, I wholly agree OP! She sounds like a cold fish to me.

But there is a lot of irrationality and lack of perspective on this issue and you’ve sent up the bat signal…

Haha, neither, honestly! I've been sick to death of all the H and M stories and last night's interview was the first one I watched. This is actually the first time I've thought about it at length. Just posted because no one has really mentioned whether Kate was in the wrong during those interactions. I'm happy to accept she wasn't.

Definitely, Meghan was probably trying to make a light hearted comment to lighten what was probably a stiff, awkward moment. It's hardly the end of the world 🙄

Let them all work for a living. Seriously.

@SallyWD Honestly it really doesn't matter, they don't get on. Simple case of Meghan not knowing what's right and wrong, as she said, she didn't get any lessons in etiquette or royal level manners.
If it was me I would have done the same thing.

I really wouldn't appreciate anyone making fun of my 'baby brain' it is deeply offensive and rude.

I would hate to share lip gloss or any other lip stick. It is not remotely hygienic.

Meghan does not come across well even in Harry's words, from their POV.
Poor Kate having to put up with the SIL from hell.

What is it kate was supposed to have forgotten?

oh goodness I let the scones burn

“it’s the baby brain” is an appropriate response

i told you we were meeting at 7, no you absolutely said 9

“it’s the baby brain” is rude and dismissive

So why share it with the world nearly 5 years later?

What can possibly be gained, other than causing hurt to a woman Harry seemed to be very close to until a certain point in his life?

I don't think she was making fun, rather trying to save her from the situation and make her feel less embarrassed.
Also don't share your lip gloss then. Pretty sure they could just buy a new one anyway haha.
Sounds like you're all for kate regardless.