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Harrysfrostbittentodger · 2023-01-08T23:09:17+00:00

That’s what I took from Harry’s recent interview. That they didn’t accuse the royal family of being racist in the Oprah interview?! How are other people viewing this?

ittakes2 · 09/01/2023 00:24

Whattaboutit · 08/01/2023 23:20

That part was very bizarre. He’s now saying it’s a conversation that takes place in every family when a mixed race baby is about to be born and isn’t racist. And they both love Susan Hussey who also isn’t racist.

I am mixed race and I wondered out loud what colour skin my children would have. I must admit I was worried my children would be very fair only because its very hot in my home country and its can be hard to protect very sensitive skin. Several people on my dad's side have lost chunks of their body due skin cancer removal.

MarshaMelrose · 09/01/2023 01:09

TattieBogle12 · 08/01/2023 23:27

It’s interesting though. At the time of the Oprah interview there were people who (and I was one of them) felt that he became a bit awkward when Meghan brought that up - although he certainly didn’t correct her.

He definitely looked uncomfortable but I thought it was because she was saying the conversation was had several times while she was pregnant. And he was saying t was one time before they'd even married.
But now....well, now, you've got to think he didn't like what she said bu twas to scared to correct her. (No fighting on OW!)

Boulshired · 09/01/2023 01:09

The racism part is hard for Harry to address as he has form in this department. According to Harry it’s all unconscious bias that is no one fault and when it’s pointed out then reflection is all that’s needed. How can he call out his family in an interview without the risk of his own comments/actions brought up.

Bagsundermyeyestoday · 09/01/2023 01:16

Shazammm · 09/01/2023 00:09

also can’t believe he excused his racist remarks with ‘unconscious bias’. No, that was blatant racism. More gas lighting.

That's certainly a new one, oh no I'm not racist, that was my unconscious bias 🤣🤣🤣

Busybutbored · 09/01/2023 01:20

MrsHGWells · 08/01/2023 23:38

H&M are selective hearing bias & trying to resurrect and back track now from the roads of disaster and broken bridges they have created..

It's so hard to try and have some sympathy for these two when this keeps on happening to affect their credibility. It was very much said to create drama on Oprah, there's no denying now that it wasn't said because it wasn't an issue. It wasn't said like oh ha ha, so lovely the family was wondering what the baby would look like (in a positive way)

ChangingTheChannel · 09/01/2023 01:20

When the Oprah interview aired, the 2 black people I know well enough to discuss it with, described it as unconscious bias rather than racism when others referred to it as racism. So I find it interesting that’s how Harry sees it, probably with Meghan's influence as a biracial woman. And obviously they both know the comments that were made, we don’t.

Startwithamimosa · 09/01/2023 01:25

Georgeskitchen · 09/01/2023 00:07

It's true, my white work colleague and her mixed race husband and their families were agog with excitement about who their baby would take after, fairer skin and blue eyes like mum, or darker complexion and brown yes like dad.
It's perfectly natural in none mixed families as well. Wondering about hair colour, eye colour etc.

It totally can be innocent. It all depends on who said it and how it was said. I have a mixed race baby, and if my racist aunty said it in a certain way I would know exactly what she was meaning, equally if her lovely husband said it, I would think nothing of it. Things aren't always black & white (except on mumsnet of course!)

ChangingTheChannel · 09/01/2023 01:28

Startwithamimosa · 09/01/2023 01:25

It totally can be innocent. It all depends on who said it and how it was said. I have a mixed race baby, and if my racist aunty said it in a certain way I would know exactly what she was meaning, equally if her lovely husband said it, I would think nothing of it. Things aren't always black & white (except on mumsnet of course!)

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It was the fact that there was ‘concern’ over skin colour that makes it not innocent. Excitement about eye colour etc isn’t ‘concern’.

Startwithamimosa · 09/01/2023 01:32

ChangingTheChannel · 09/01/2023 01:28

It was the fact that there was ‘concern’ over skin colour that makes it not innocent. Excitement about eye colour etc isn’t ‘concern’.

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Good point, yeah then definitely racist for sure

WinnieFosterReads · 09/01/2023 01:33

They already started to backtrack on this in thr Netflix series. H&M said they thought M being suicidal would be the big story and they were surprised the media ran with the 'racism' angle.
I wonder if the posters who said the RF were racist; that there were no fights/arguments at the dress fittings; that there were no issues about the tiara etc etc will come back and apologise in light of H's book and interview. He's confirmed everything. Maybe MN needs to consider banning those posters who viciously attacked everyone and who posted thousands of times on RF threads to do so.

StartupRepair · 09/01/2023 01:37

How do they lie straight in bed? Everything they say is such a toxic soup of lies, half truths and implications. And must have caused pain to his grandparents in their last years.

XanaduKira · 09/01/2023 01:40

It really is staggering - I actually feel sorry for Charles, William and in particular Kate given the aspersions that were cast.

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 09/01/2023 01:41

Pinkieismyname · 08/01/2023 23:31

Isn't it fairly normal in all families to wonder which side of the family a baby will look like irrespective of mixed race families or not ? We always do in my family & friends 🤷

Yes! Especially so with ginger people - most of us reds don’t have redheaded parents so there is always speculation re: a pregnancy with a ginger involved!
I reckon there would’ve been speculation re: Harry’s potential kids regardless of who he married.

Snippedasababy · 09/01/2023 01:42

I was told, several times, that I was wrong when I said this is a normal conversation in any family and they were making it out to be something it wasn’t. Mixed race or not. I was told I was an ‘apologist for racists’, even when I pointed out that I am mixed race.

Meghan connected the conversation around skin colour with the reason that Archie didn’t get the titles she expected. if she truly believe that Archie did get the titles she expected, due to skin colour that’s not unconscious bias. That’s racism. I can only assume someone has now got through to them that’s not the reason Archie did get the titles she expected. Though I don’t believe Harry didn’t know the reasons. I think he let her believe that.

And they, have just had a great time accepting and award for, in part, fighting structural Racism in the Royal Family.

I would think, given that was the huge bombshell in the OW interview, OW isn’t particularly happy. Harry can not be that naive, that he didn’t realise what him and Meghan were saying.

Given all the other stuff he has said in the interview, I don’t really see it as a back track to try get back in with his family either. I think it’s because people keep questioning, why they keep going back to attend events. Which they need to do, to keep coming up with new complaints.

Bagsundermyeyestoday · 09/01/2023 01:46

WinnieFosterReads · 09/01/2023 01:33

They already started to backtrack on this in thr Netflix series. H&M said they thought M being suicidal would be the big story and they were surprised the media ran with the 'racism' angle.
I wonder if the posters who said the RF were racist; that there were no fights/arguments at the dress fittings; that there were no issues about the tiara etc etc will come back and apologise in light of H's book and interview. He's confirmed everything. Maybe MN needs to consider banning those posters who viciously attacked everyone and who posted thousands of times on RF threads to do so.

Well he's backtracking I guess to get back in favour with his family. It sounds like it still happened and it was racist. If anything this is worse because he's now trying to backtrack.
Agree though he's basically confirmed all the other rumours were true. The whole thing is so bizarre, I don't actually know what he's trying to achieve

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 09/01/2023 01:54

The RF really need to put together some sort of handbook/training manual re: all the titles/traditions/expected behaviours to issue to incoming spouses.

I really think Meghan’s surprise/disappointment re: the cottage, the titles, the lack of a wage, not being able to keep expensive gifts etc has fed Harry’s childhood resentment and brought it all back to the surface, eg ‘Why haven’t you got a posh apartment like your brother?’ Should’ve been answered with ‘I can have one if I want, but would need to shuffle some oldies around, so I’m expected to get married first to justify the space/expense… besides, it’s nice to have a cottage with a separate front door for privacy’ and was instead answered with ‘Because I’ve always been second best, I’m just here to provide William with extra kidneys, woe is me etc etc’

A lot of misunderstandings could’ve been avoided with an old fashioned handbook complete with index at the back!

Cariadz · 09/01/2023 01:54

AliceOlive · 08/01/2023 23:16

I’m interested to read what all of the posters here who constantly claim the RF is racist think about what Harry said. It must be very troubling?

That was my first thought also.

But I also gave a moments thought to Harry perhaps now being told he must (still) be a racist because he’s said his family isn’t and we all know how racist they actually are.

It’s all bloody bonkers.

XanaduKira · 09/01/2023 01:57

Me neither @Bagsundermyeyestoday

I thought she was given some sort of manual @DaughterOfPsychiatrist along with the Queen organising offers of help from various courtiers as well as personal guidance from Sophie, but MM declined it all. I still fully believe Harry should have briefed her properly and this is pretty much all his fault, but it may have been better if MM had accepted the guidance that was offered.

Cariadz · 09/01/2023 02:06

I was told, several times, that I was wrong when I said this is a normal conversation in any family and they were making it out to be something it wasn’t. Mixed race or not. I was told I was an ‘apologist for racists’, even when I pointed out that I am mixed race.

I was told the same.

We have a fabulous mix of ethnicity in our family and what features a new baby will have is always spoken about before he or she is born. It’s beautiful and now that some of us have done DNA tests and discovered even more parts of us it’s even nicer.

ChangingTheChannel · 09/01/2023 02:09

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 09/01/2023 01:41

Yes! Especially so with ginger people - most of us reds don’t have redheaded parents so there is always speculation re: a pregnancy with a ginger involved!
I reckon there would’ve been speculation re: Harry’s potential kids regardless of who he married.

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Yes, but there’s a difference between excitedly wondering if the baby will have red hair, than being concerned the baby will have red hair. Concern would be that the red hair would be seen as a problem, as bad, as lesser or something.

Boulshired · 09/01/2023 02:11

The Oprah interview was about his skin being too dark, implying that it would be a problem. Not curiosity

HaroldsHoodie · 09/01/2023 02:17

The RF really need to put together some sort of handbook/training manual re: all the titles/traditions/expected behaviours to issue to incoming spouses.

Meghan was provided with exactly this. She was also offered mentoring. But I expect she wasn’t very interested - she was going to ‘hit the ground running,’ remember?

However Harold definitely let her down as well. What a numpty.

ChangingTheChannel · 09/01/2023 02:20

Cariadz · 09/01/2023 02:06

I was told, several times, that I was wrong when I said this is a normal conversation in any family and they were making it out to be something it wasn’t. Mixed race or not. I was told I was an ‘apologist for racists’, even when I pointed out that I am mixed race.

I was told the same.

We have a fabulous mix of ethnicity in our family and what features a new baby will have is always spoken about before he or she is born. It’s beautiful and now that some of us have done DNA tests and discovered even more parts of us it’s even nicer.

Do your family speak about certain aspects of appearance from a place of ‘concern’?

If someone was concerned about what my baby would look like that wouldn’t be ‘beautiful’.

It really hinges on what was said to Harry. I would know the difference between concern and excited curiosity and I’m sure Harry would too.

Whenharrymetsmelly · 09/01/2023 02:21

AliceOlive · 08/01/2023 23:16

I’m interested to read what all of the posters here who constantly claim the RF is racist think about what Harry said. It must be very troubling?

Why troubling? Someone was 'concerned' about the baby's skin colour ie racist. Not curious, concerned. Harry has now said that's normal in his family, so it's conditional bias, not racism (spoiler alert ie in this context racist).
Nothing has changed.
I don't even know what the word is for someone who calls out racism, accepts an award for calling out racism and then denies the racism. Seriously, what is wrong with these people 😒

Whenharrymetsmelly · 09/01/2023 02:23

ChangingTheChannel · 09/01/2023 02:20

Do your family speak about certain aspects of appearance from a place of ‘concern’?

If someone was concerned about what my baby would look like that wouldn’t be ‘beautiful’.

It really hinges on what was said to Harry. I would know the difference between concern and excited curiosity and I’m sure Harry would too.

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