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So the Royal Family isn’t racist?

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Harrysfrostbittentodger · 08/01/2023 23:09

That’s what I took from Harry’s recent interview. That they didn’t accuse the royal family of being racist in the Oprah interview?!

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PicturesOfDogs · 09/01/2023 08:22

Bunionbabe · 09/01/2023 08:19

Didn't William issue a statement saying that the family weren't racist? Given that the family have issued no other statements they obviously saw they were being called racists so had to respond. It's unlikely they would have misunderstood HM's insinuations.

It wasn’t a statement as such I don’t think.
He was visiting a school, and a reporter asked him if his family was racist on camera.

StalkedByASpider · 09/01/2023 08:26

Mirabai · 09/01/2023 08:21

Difficult like fucking trafficked teens and laundering money? Or difficult like being a mixed race Californian in a white conservative upper class family??

I think more like difficult by bullying staff - or at the very least shouting at them and having unreasonable expectations. Difficult by being rude to William and Catherine. On a more balanced note, difficult by perhaps having different cultural expectations that she wasn't prepared to compromise on - California and British nobility are very different circles. Expecting to arrive and continue to do things your own way without compromise could reasonably be seen as difficult.

Andrew being a complete and utter sleaze bag - and worse - has got nothing to do with this. One does not cancel out the other. I know a friend who has a paedophile in her family - does that give her carte blanche to act like an arsehole just because someone in her family has done worse? It's a silly argument.

FlairBand · 09/01/2023 08:32

I would be really interested to understand how POC feel about a white Prince mansplaining a distinction between racism and unconscious bias, having accepted an award for calling out institutional racism in the RF, with the sole purpose of manipulating their narrative because it’s backfiring?

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 08:32

So...if the British media misconstrued their words and all they meant was that there was 'unconscious bias' in the RF why Sydney Harry & Meghan issue a statement correcting this?

I thought silence is betrayal?

Blossomtoes · 09/01/2023 08:32

rwalker · 09/01/2023 06:31

Tbf Oprah was twisting manipulating and driving the interview in the way she wanted it to go
cleverly insinuating

she lost me at the ridiculous over the top “shocked” face she pulled with mouth open for affect
seen better acting at primary school plays

It was the most hammed up bit of theatre ever broadcast. The shocked face and “Say what now?” from Oprah, the faux sad knowing nod from Meghan. Meanwhile Harry squirming in discomfort.

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 08:32

*didn't

hoooops · 09/01/2023 08:32

I hope Colbert asks him:

  • after the Oprah interview, when the queen issued her statement saying she was concerned about the race issue, did you contact her to reassure her it wasn't racism?
  • when the press were on the hunt to discover who the royal racist was, did you try to correct their inaccurate assumption?
  • around that time, did you accept a paid role which involved working to eliminate media misinformation?
  • and did you recently accept an award for exposing structural racism in the royal family?
FlairBand · 09/01/2023 08:35

Oprah specifically asked if it was because of Archie’s race. At which point M revealed “concerns” over his skin colour that had been discussed with Harry, and said it could be “very damaging” if she said who it was.

That’s about as explicit as you can get without calling it racism surely?

Even the word “concern” is loaded and can be interpreted in many different ways.

Boulshired · 09/01/2023 08:37

It will be interesting to see how vocal supporters of him regarding race handle this. Unconscious bias was not intended to excuse racism but to describe structural stereotypes that people have that they are unaware of.

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 08:38

We all watched the interview and witnessed the aftermath, the whole world was calling the RF a racist institution. Damage was done and they stood by and watched it unfold and then accepted an award for it.

Backtracking now is just gaslighting.

FlairBand · 09/01/2023 08:38

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 08:38

We all watched the interview and witnessed the aftermath, the whole world was calling the RF a racist institution. Damage was done and they stood by and watched it unfold and then accepted an award for it.

Backtracking now is just gaslighting.

Agree.

BethJ62 · 09/01/2023 08:40

Are all H and M’s defenders have a lie in this morning ?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 09/01/2023 08:44

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 08:32

So...if the British media misconstrued their words and all they meant was that there was 'unconscious bias' in the RF why Sydney Harry & Meghan issue a statement correcting this?

I thought silence is betrayal?

That's other peoples silence, their silence is okay, or at least in their world.

Izzy24 · 09/01/2023 08:47

@RealMcKoy
Megan’s comment that she had never been treated as a WOC in her own country underlines your points.

Maireas · 09/01/2023 08:51

Not only does he claim that they have never accused the royal family of racism, he has also said that he and Meghan would be happy to assume a role in the Commonwealth.

WinnieFosterReads · 09/01/2023 08:52

H&M's love for Lady Hussey puts them firmly at odds with their 'supporters' whose entire purpose has focused on pushing the line that 'the RF and the UK are all racist' .
That's always been about the US trying to avoid scrutiny of its own issues with racism. Just as the Andrew preoccupation has always been about distracting from the much higher profile US names who associated with Epstein and had 'massages' from trafficked women.
It will be interesting if H&M are starting to kick back against that agenda.

Maireas · 09/01/2023 08:57

He and Meghan love Lady Susan Hussey!
According to Harry, the UK press accused the royal family of racism.
Not them.

Pugdogmom · 09/01/2023 08:58

The backtracking is astounding.
The only thing I could think of was that after the Queens statement post OW show was that those private discussions mentioned took place , however I still can't see a scenario where it would play out as " Well we had a chat, and that wasn't racist"...🙄

Even worse, Lady Susan Hussey was sacked for her remarks so BP obviously thought it was racist, but Harry is defending her?

Maireas · 09/01/2023 09:01

Yes, so BP were obviously wrong to sack her.

Jackiewoo · 09/01/2023 09:06

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 08:38

We all watched the interview and witnessed the aftermath, the whole world was calling the RF a racist institution. Damage was done and they stood by and watched it unfold and then accepted an award for it.

Backtracking now is just gaslighting.

All of this. What a malignant mendacious couple they are.

They brought disgusting accusations on the RF while his grandparents, who dutifully spent their entire lives serving the country and commonwealth, were in their final year. The Sussexes are repellant.

potniatheron · 09/01/2023 09:12

RealMcKoy · 09/01/2023 04:50

Personally,I wonder why nobody non white is not talking about the elephant in the room; the good possibility that the somebody didn't mention what Archie would look like from a place of concern, but the fact that what Archie would look like triggered Megan.

Why? Well Megan is a racially confused, white identified, white socialised, been the only non white in a room of whites most of the time in her adult life,never had a Black or even biracial friend until she got with Harry.
These are NOT the characteristics of a part Black/Black person who is pro Black and coming from Los Angeles, not the very white Rhode Island. And funnily enough, in the U.S, Black or part Black people who want to find community in Blackness, do, no matter if they are an oasis surrounded by whiteness. that is just Blackness in the U.S 101; to be surrounded by white people no matter how large or small a "Black community" is.

Megan has adult lifelong displayed the characteristics of somebody running away and wanting to erase their Blackness. And that is okay, for them, but it is no signifier of sanity or security in identity and not the type of person I concern myself with as they have no use to me and will sell me out. Her type is not uncommon, even in Black countries.

Of course to a person like this, the colour of any future children, even though they themselves are pale and their spouse very Anglo, THEY would be scared that any future child would have the colour that they themselves lack outwith fake tan selectively used , depending on the occasion. I always believed that Megan got so triggered that she turned an innocuous conversation into her being concerned about any unambiguous Blackness manifesting in her child's looks and projected that concern upon the Royal family. She hasn't facially erased her previous unambiguous Blackness and socialised herself to have obviously non white children or children that cannot be "tweaked' into whiteness at a later age, just like she did on her C.V.

She is as far from being Kathleen Cleaver as we are from living on the Moon.

Doria wanted this, hence why she was content to have her daughter live white without even giving her the privilege of being in touch with the two sides of herself in any emulsified manner. Mixed race people are not unique in Los Angeles.

So it is no surprise that at the first hurdle to her Happy Go Lucky White Karen Woman act Megan got shook and has been "karening" since, getting her fans to act as if her and her Nazi armband brandishing Huzzband being ignored by his kin is some sort of Civil Rights pursuit, when the real pro Blackness is "why should we concern ourselves that a white socialised mixed woman with a dopey , non Black pride having mother marrying one of the two people that we KNOW are racist in the Royal family may run out of money in Montecito once she and her moronic, racist husband have rinsed dry her previous asscociation with the Royal family and therefore may have to downsize the penury of Santa Barbara? Why is this a Black concern?"

This is what happens to people in the West who have lost seriousness and seek validation through celebrity and Hollyweird, the number one propaganda arm of white supremacy. Our more Eastern/ developing skinfolk can't afford to be so dumb.

Malcolm X is laughing in his grave. He warned us Black people not to seek emancipation through celebrity. But to seek validation through an obviously anti Black woman and racist man , just because he is a member of one of the primary symbols of white imperialism and then to pretend that one is against said family when it goes tits up?

That's just trying to have one's pudding and nyam it same time.

So many of us don't deserve to have access to wi fi just to display the rich white validation so obviously needed and have the gall to try and turn said pathology into a civil rights pursuit.

It's all so rinky dink and cannot compare to the relative integrity and intellect of previous generations of Black Race Equality battle.
Unnu bawl too mucking fuch and forget how to move in silence!
Thank you Harry and Megan for showing how fake most public Black Civil Rights discourse has become. You got some fucking use! Now we might overstand that we cannot tear down massa's house by using massa's tools.

This is one of the best posts I have ever seen on Mumsnet and certainly on this subject. Many of the ladies on the Black Women's forum have been pointing out these issues for a good while now but your post is especially good.

potniatheron · 09/01/2023 09:14

Also adding I just think it's so sad that the queen died thinking her family was under a cloud of racism when she worked so hard to serve the commonwealth. I really wish Harry had been able to clarify this before her passing.

Izzy24 · 09/01/2023 09:21

potniatheron · 09/01/2023 09:12

This is one of the best posts I have ever seen on Mumsnet and certainly on this subject. Many of the ladies on the Black Women's forum have been pointing out these issues for a good while now but your post is especially good.

Yes, absolutely this.

Mirabai · 09/01/2023 09:22

StalkedByASpider · 09/01/2023 08:26

I think more like difficult by bullying staff - or at the very least shouting at them and having unreasonable expectations. Difficult by being rude to William and Catherine. On a more balanced note, difficult by perhaps having different cultural expectations that she wasn't prepared to compromise on - California and British nobility are very different circles. Expecting to arrive and continue to do things your own way without compromise could reasonably be seen as difficult.

Andrew being a complete and utter sleaze bag - and worse - has got nothing to do with this. One does not cancel out the other. I know a friend who has a paedophile in her family - does that give her carte blanche to act like an arsehole just because someone in her family has done worse? It's a silly argument.

I haven’t seen any actual evidence of this apparent so-called bullying of staff. From the anecdotal accounts, W & C appear to have been rude themselves - so, if anything, there seems to be rudeness on both sides.

PA is of direct relevance to the question of why a mixed race actress would attract this deranged level of obsessive hatred for what - at the very worst - are minor criticisms of behaviour - when a family member who may well have potentially have broken the law is simply ignored.

Mirabai · 09/01/2023 09:26

There has never been much of an understanding of racism on MN but pointing out unconscious bias and micro-aggressions is perfectly legitimate.