So the Royal Family isn’t racist?

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That’s what I took from Harry’s recent interview. That they didn’t accuse the royal family of being racist in the Oprah interview?!

How are other people viewing this?

So they did say the RF was racist.

They said what they said. HTH.

They would have to be very dim indeed not to have known. They did it intentionally. Any claim that it wasn't done on purpose, and left uncorrected on purpose, is just fatuous.

That doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for his struggles. I do. Anyone would who has watched him try to cope with his mum's death and the awful aftermath, and also growing up under all the media scrutiny and the poison that brings.

Then he seemed to finally have found his purpose in the army and with charities/Invictus/partnership with W&K/etc and I was glad it all seemed to be falling into place as he got older. I was very happy for him when he and Meghan found each other and when they got married I thought it was fantastic that the sun shone so brightly for them - it seemed such a good omen and I hoped it would be the start of a very long and happy life for them as working royals.

It also doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for her struggles! The media are poison.

I continue to wish them well, but it's clear he needs to sort his head out. I don't think the drugs were/are good for him.

I think many people have/had a soft spot for Harry. But he needs to sort himself out. He's got to take responsibility for himself and stop it with the petty gripes - and I don't mean that all his gripes are petty, I hasten to add. But many of them are quite ridiculous and he does need to let them go if he wants any hope of getting over it. Fair enough, maybe he has to get it out of his system. In some ways I don't blame him! But...bitterness never heals.

(I've written more on this than I ever thought I would, in the past few days, tbh! Won't bore you anymore with the tedium.)

It doesn't. It's splitting hairs to say they didn't say the RG was racist and they need to take some responsibility. If they think this is the presses fault they're wrong.

It’s not hair splitting it’s fact. They used the term unconscious bias which is a form of racism.

As I said:

It’s interesting (by which I mean tedious) that you know exactly what 2 people are thinking, doing etc etc despite never having met either of them.

No idea not interested in his rambling nonsense

So what's your point? They accused the RF of racism whichever way you look at it.

I’ve made my point. What’s yours?

They used the term unconscious bias which is a form of racism.

Harry doesn't agree. in the TB interview he says

the difference between racism and unconscious bias, the two things are different. But once it's been acknowledged, or pointed out to you as an individual, or as an institution, that you have unconscious bias, you therefore have an opportunity to learn and grow from that in order so that you are part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Otherwise unconscious bias then moves into the category of racism.

I don't remember any use of either 'racism' or 'unconscious bias' in the OW interview but it was definitely edited to show the RF as being racist. Plus they accepted the award for 'speaking out against structural racism in the Royal Family'. What was that referring to?

Then M needs to sue VL. She's done it before. In fact, the mantra is, if she doesn't sue, it's true.

She should also demand the release of the Palace's bullying report, as clearly it will vindicate her.

Totally agree. Their comments on Oprah are what led William to basically condemn Lady Susan Hussey in his efforts to prove that his family are not racists and will not tolerate racism (and Harry, with barely concealed schadenfreude, has cleverly tried to make William look like he's been cruel to said poor old Lady Susan Hussey, who Harry and Meghan love, and who Harry says never meant any harm), and what made William and Kate's Carribbean tour in March 2022, and Sophie and Edward's in April, more awkward than the tours might otherwise have been.

Not to mention that in all the upset, Ngozi Fulani had to close her shelter temporarily which would have had a direct effect on those women that needed refuge.

Awful, selfish little vendetta, where they don't care who else gets hurt in the fallout.

You've not made a point that I can understand. My point is that regardless of whether they used the specific words 'the RF are racist', that is what they said

And that’s ok, we don’t have to all agree - discussing the finer points of ‘bias’, ‘prejudice’, ‘racism’ - is open to interpretation.

I don’t know what “edited to show the RF as being racist” even means.

It’s only a “mantra” to naive people who have no idea how the world (or law) works.

I think they implied they were racist. And so now the damage is done are now washing their hands of any involvement and can therefore accuse the media of spinning it.

Two birds. One stone. No flies on them.

I thought that Meghan said to Oprah that if she were to deduce that there was a link between discussion about Archie's skin colour and whether he'd get a title or not, then she'd essentially be on the right lines. Words to that effect.

This.

I think a lot of people completely believed they experienced racism, I did. It’s so prevalent that even someone not being intentionally malicious can be racist so balance of probability of an almost all whites family and staff…. Now a 180 and we’re not supposed to believe that and have to understand Harry’s personal definition of UB. I have a lot of sympathy for H&M in many ways, but there’s a level of batshit around how they go about doing things and describe them which just loses people.

The stans should take note that both Harry and Meghan love Susan Hussey and felt that she had been targeted unfairly. They are wise enough to reject the binary thinking. Question is: can you achieve this too? 😉

Meghan said that Oprah would be essentially correct in presuming that the discussions about whether the baby would get a title and the discussions about the colour of his skin were linked discussions. She was saying that the lines of discussion impacted on one another. She said the narratives and discussions were going on at the same time. Oprah asked if that meant that they were connected and Meghan said that if that was her interpretation, she wouldn't be wrong.

So it's nothing to do with how the broadcasters spun it.

That's just a throwaway phrase, and yuu know it. The fact remains that the bullying charges are extremely serious and damaging to her reputation, so if even one of them is untrue, she'd surely be defending herself. But not a word...

And she should be very eager to have that bullying report published, because it would surely redeem her. Here she has a chance to rectify those rumours, if they are indeed false.

It is strange how some anti Sussex posters agree with the ‘unhinged’ Harry when it suits their narrative .

It's not really for Harry or any member of the royal family to decide if they are racist. They probably are on some level as most white people are because it's so intrinsic within society. Meghans experience of race is her experience it's not for others to decide what that looks like.

Totally agree, weird how it's seems so difficult for people to grasp. I can just imagine how some of them would react if they were in the same situation. They seem to lack both empathy and emotional intelligence 🤨

The trouble with this is that it's really, really damaging to call someone racist and then say it's not for them to decide if they are or not because it"s what the accuser thinks and that's that. Like saying someone is a bully because it's what you think and not for them to decide. Or they're bitchy and not for them to decide because they probably are, after all most women are. In the end no-one is allowed to defend themselves. Like some awful added chapter of Animal Farm.