Page 18 | Prince Harry - sounds articulate and quite intelligent

pigalow27 · 2023-01-08T22:39:06+00:00

There seems to be an accepted view that Prince Harry is very dim and unintelligent but he seems to be to be really quite articulate and have a wide vocabulary (antagonist, complicit.) I've thought this before when he made a speech at the Invictus games but assumed it was written for him and he was reading it but the answers to the questions in the interview couldn't all possibly have been learnt,

potniatheron · 11/01/2023 10:26

Eyerollcentral · 10/01/2023 16:00

Right, course you are thick as mince with a first from Oxford… I went to a prestigious university and to be honest with you everyone I knew who got a first was extremely intelligent, and I say that being fairly bright myself. You must have worked extremely hard to achieve what you did.
Harry is defensive because he wants everyone to agree with him at all times. From what I have seen a more fitting title would have been Spoilt.

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I did work very hard, yes.

What I am trying to say is that there are different types and levels of smart. My dear friend with a third in physics from Oxford is smarter than me with my first - because physics is harder than classics (or Eng Lit, or modern lang, etc). It just is.

My grandmother left school at 12, nearly died under Nazi occupation and was far cleverer than me. Her wisdom and subtle genius in reading people and situations and foreseeing how things would play out was simply off the charts.

Another dear friend of mine left school at 16 and set up her own taxicab firm (this was before Uber etc) and made a mint which she then invested in doing up properties. She's very street smart and able to judge risk in a way that I am not.

Knowing the Iliad intimately might have got me and Boris a First but it doesn't necessarily reflect the pinnacle of human wisdom. the mistaken belief that it does is why our Government and Opposition are stuffed with idiots. They've confused ability in the humanities and soft sciences for ability in navigating the real world; they've mistaken intellect for intelligence. They are not the same.

Harry's not booksmart. I think he's thoughtful. Megan is quite interesting because she is able to present as if she's very clever and learned (she says all the right things that would probably get her a decent humanities degree) but actually she knows very little about the world and is not a deep thinker.

MarshaMelrose · 11/01/2023 10:50

LimeBasiandlMandarin · 11/01/2023 00:00

Agreed. He actually seems very savvy - in a good way - in his ability to see how the institutions around him work. He's called them out.

Savvy. Or delusional. As he produces no evidence, other than everyone was jealous of Meghan, we have no idea which.

MarshaMelrose · 11/01/2023 10:53

I got a first in Greats at Oxford and I'm pretty thick,

I hear Oxford Uni are putting this in their publicity blurb.
"All thickies welcome at Oxford."

bakalava · 11/01/2023 10:54

They flounced because they (her in particular) were aggrieved at not being admired, prioritized or deified by the British public. They have been trying to fit narratives to it ever since, often formulated by reading theories on internet forums.

Eyerollcentral · 11/01/2023 11:00

potniatheron · 11/01/2023 10:26

I did work very hard, yes.

What I am trying to say is that there are different types and levels of smart. My dear friend with a third in physics from Oxford is smarter than me with my first - because physics is harder than classics (or Eng Lit, or modern lang, etc). It just is.

My grandmother left school at 12, nearly died under Nazi occupation and was far cleverer than me. Her wisdom and subtle genius in reading people and situations and foreseeing how things would play out was simply off the charts.

Another dear friend of mine left school at 16 and set up her own taxicab firm (this was before Uber etc) and made a mint which she then invested in doing up properties. She's very street smart and able to judge risk in a way that I am not.

Knowing the Iliad intimately might have got me and Boris a First but it doesn't necessarily reflect the pinnacle of human wisdom. the mistaken belief that it does is why our Government and Opposition are stuffed with idiots. They've confused ability in the humanities and soft sciences for ability in navigating the real world; they've mistaken intellect for intelligence. They are not the same.

Harry's not booksmart. I think he's thoughtful. Megan is quite interesting because she is able to present as if she's very clever and learned (she says all the right things that would probably get her a decent humanities degree) but actually she knows very little about the world and is not a deep thinker.

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Think we all know that there is no one way of measuring intelligence…point is you aren’t thick.
Cannot agree harry comes across as thoughtful, every single extract from the book has been a flanger. I’ve just been given a copy this morning and trying to get through it. V hard going.
However think you are bang on the money re Meghan.

oreste · 11/01/2023 11:05

potniatheron · 11/01/2023 10:26

I did work very hard, yes.

What I am trying to say is that there are different types and levels of smart. My dear friend with a third in physics from Oxford is smarter than me with my first - because physics is harder than classics (or Eng Lit, or modern lang, etc). It just is.

My grandmother left school at 12, nearly died under Nazi occupation and was far cleverer than me. Her wisdom and subtle genius in reading people and situations and foreseeing how things would play out was simply off the charts.

Another dear friend of mine left school at 16 and set up her own taxicab firm (this was before Uber etc) and made a mint which she then invested in doing up properties. She's very street smart and able to judge risk in a way that I am not.

Knowing the Iliad intimately might have got me and Boris a First but it doesn't necessarily reflect the pinnacle of human wisdom. the mistaken belief that it does is why our Government and Opposition are stuffed with idiots. They've confused ability in the humanities and soft sciences for ability in navigating the real world; they've mistaken intellect for intelligence. They are not the same.

Harry's not booksmart. I think he's thoughtful. Megan is quite interesting because she is able to present as if she's very clever and learned (she says all the right things that would probably get her a decent humanities degree) but actually she knows very little about the world and is not a deep thinker.

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An Oxford first is clearly not what it used to be.

potniatheron · 11/01/2023 11:20

Eyerollcentral · 11/01/2023 11:00

Think we all know that there is no one way of measuring intelligence…point is you aren’t thick.
Cannot agree harry comes across as thoughtful, every single extract from the book has been a flanger. I’ve just been given a copy this morning and trying to get through it. V hard going.
However think you are bang on the money re Meghan.

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fwiw I think JR Moehringer has done a decent job. The descriptions of Balmoral are lovely, scenery seems to be his forte. The passages about Harry's trauma, viewing the secret Govt file re Diana's death, complaints about Camilla etc, are not so good. Staccato sentences, AJ Finn meets Jackie Collins type of style. It's definitely readable, although the self-pity looms large.

I'm also struck by the lack of self-awareness in Harry's complaining about media misogyny vis-a-vis Meghan, but seemingly having no issues with describing Camilla as a wicked stepmother (as classic misogynistic trope) or making fun of one of his old school matrons for having a physical disability.

I don't think he's stupid. I think he's more intelligent than Meghan tbh.

potniatheron · 11/01/2023 11:23

oreste · 11/01/2023 11:05

An Oxford first is clearly not what it used to be.

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I was undergrad in the late 90s, but by the time I began my Master's, Classics was awash with the scourge of postmodernism and everyone was being encouraged to read Euripides through the lens of Deridean logocentrism or to look at ancient Athenian sexual relations through a Foucauldian / Butlerian prism. It was pitiful. God knows what it's like now. Hopefully sanity has made a reappearance.

Eyerollcentral · 11/01/2023 11:29

potniatheron · 11/01/2023 11:20

fwiw I think JR Moehringer has done a decent job. The descriptions of Balmoral are lovely, scenery seems to be his forte. The passages about Harry's trauma, viewing the secret Govt file re Diana's death, complaints about Camilla etc, are not so good. Staccato sentences, AJ Finn meets Jackie Collins type of style. It's definitely readable, although the self-pity looms large.

I'm also struck by the lack of self-awareness in Harry's complaining about media misogyny vis-a-vis Meghan, but seemingly having no issues with describing Camilla as a wicked stepmother (as classic misogynistic trope) or making fun of one of his old school matrons for having a physical disability.

I don't think he's stupid. I think he's more intelligent than Meghan tbh.

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Yea it’s very much the content that is plodding, not the style of writing itself. And it does read mostly as one would imagine harry speaking so he has definitely captured his voice.
I think Harry and Meghan are both convinced of their own intelligence, especially after the thrill of having pulled off Megxit, then unleashing all these sequential top secret projects. However I think they are at best distinctly average. Sorry cannot agree that Harry is more intelligent than Meghan. I think he would/will greatly struggle to navigate the world without her. You are correct that his emotional intelligence is nil and his self awareness is very very low. He has thrown mud at every person he can in this book yet flies off the handle when even mildly probed about it. Quite astonishing to see.

Tripofalifetime343 · 11/01/2023 11:36

bakalava · 11/01/2023 10:54

They flounced because they (her in particular) were aggrieved at not being admired, prioritized or deified by the British public. They have been trying to fit narratives to it ever since, often formulated by reading theories on internet forums.

That's utter crap. They were a great hit with the public wherever they went.

They left because they couldn't resolve the issue of the press harassing him and his family and he understandably didn't want his wife to come to any harm like his mother.

And I think Jeremy Clarkson has since proved the point that he was right to be concerned.

They also left because he began to realise that Buckingham Palace were complicit in leaking some of the stories.

Lampzade · 11/01/2023 11:41

bakalava · 11/01/2023 10:54

They flounced because they (her in particular) were aggrieved at not being admired, prioritized or deified by the British public. They have been trying to fit narratives to it ever since, often formulated by reading theories on internet forums.

Now that is untrue.
They were very popular with the public
Their visit to Australia was a success
Their visit to South Africa was a success

This was an issue for some in the RF..

Madamecastafiore · 11/01/2023 11:51

I don't think anyone speaking about being treated like a stallion by a horse loving older lady, cock frost bite or being nasty about a siblings receding hair line (when theirs is almost fucking transparent) sounds intelligent or eloquent.

bakalava · 11/01/2023 12:13

They were very popular with the public
Their visit to Australia was a success
Their visit to South Africa was a success

It was a mixed success on every occasion propped up by a mighty PR machine. It wasn't enough of a success to satisfy them. Nobody hailed Meghan as Diana II in the way she had expected. They left because they wanted to become more popular and successful. The greatest successes of their generation in the RF.

His obsession with competing with William (painstakingly laid out in the book) and her unconfessed obsession with competing with Kate and the competition between the two pairings was off the Richter. It gnawed away at them back then and appears to be incurable.

Blossomtoes · 11/01/2023 12:19

Their visit to South Africa was a success

It was until “Nobody ever asks me if I’m OK”. That undid all the success of the tour.

Lampzade · 11/01/2023 12:42

bakalava · 11/01/2023 12:13

They were very popular with the public
Their visit to Australia was a success
Their visit to South Africa was a success

It was a mixed success on every occasion propped up by a mighty PR machine. It wasn't enough of a success to satisfy them. Nobody hailed Meghan as Diana II in the way she had expected. They left because they wanted to become more popular and successful. The greatest successes of their generation in the RF.

His obsession with competing with William (painstakingly laid out in the book) and her unconfessed obsession with competing with Kate and the competition between the two pairings was off the Richter. It gnawed away at them back then and appears to be incurable.

Let us all be honest. Kate and William have not exactly set the work alight , in terms of their tours
The tour of Caribbean was a complete disaster….
The visit to Boston didn’t go down to well…

They really need to go back to the drawing board and figure out what they are doing wrong.

bakalava · 11/01/2023 12:46

The difference is that they can handle it maturely. Their egos don't explode at the thought of somebody telling them to do things differently. They may be boring and subdued but they will always gain respect for carrying on in their roles in the face of criticism and not selling others out.

barnbaby · 11/01/2023 12:58

Harry is dyslexic. I think he speaks beautifully - with warmth and humour.

Tripofalifetime343 · 11/01/2023 13:03

bakalava · 11/01/2023 12:13

They were very popular with the public
Their visit to Australia was a success
Their visit to South Africa was a success

It was a mixed success on every occasion propped up by a mighty PR machine. It wasn't enough of a success to satisfy them. Nobody hailed Meghan as Diana II in the way she had expected. They left because they wanted to become more popular and successful. The greatest successes of their generation in the RF.

His obsession with competing with William (painstakingly laid out in the book) and her unconfessed obsession with competing with Kate and the competition between the two pairings was off the Richter. It gnawed away at them back then and appears to be incurable.

And where has that information, or rather speculation, come from? Who said Meghan wanted to be treated like Diana? A tabloid? How do you know she did?

And sibling rivalry, obviously heightened in the context of heir and spare, is pretty common.

potniatheron · 11/01/2023 13:06

Eyerollcentral · 11/01/2023 11:29

Yea it’s very much the content that is plodding, not the style of writing itself. And it does read mostly as one would imagine harry speaking so he has definitely captured his voice.
I think Harry and Meghan are both convinced of their own intelligence, especially after the thrill of having pulled off Megxit, then unleashing all these sequential top secret projects. However I think they are at best distinctly average. Sorry cannot agree that Harry is more intelligent than Meghan. I think he would/will greatly struggle to navigate the world without her. You are correct that his emotional intelligence is nil and his self awareness is very very low. He has thrown mud at every person he can in this book yet flies off the handle when even mildly probed about it. Quite astonishing to see.

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Well to be fair they didn't quite pull of Megxit the way they wanted it. They wanted to be able to make money from commercial deals but still be part time working royals. They wanted half in half out. The Queen kicked them out out!

Dobby123456 · 13/01/2023 13:05

Tripofalifetime343 · 11/01/2023 11:36

That's utter crap. They were a great hit with the public wherever they went.

They left because they couldn't resolve the issue of the press harassing him and his family and he understandably didn't want his wife to come to any harm like his mother.

And I think Jeremy Clarkson has since proved the point that he was right to be concerned.

They also left because he began to realise that Buckingham Palace were complicit in leaking some of the stories.

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I think he was quite naive of Harry not to realise his Californian wife would struggle to be accepted by sections of Britain and the British media. If anything the race issue is what held them back from simply laying into her from the get-go - that, and Harry's popularity with the public and sympathy over his mother's death. They were clearly disappointed and bewildered when things started to sour - but, hadn't anybody warned them? He doesn't seem to even know his own family very well. 'How could Kate be so scathing of my wife's offer to cure her husband's cold with oregano oil?' Can he really not see?

Patertater · 15/01/2023 12:36

It's interesting. To begin with, Harry has always been painted in the press as dim, and not the 'brightest star in the sky' much like his uncle and former spare, Andrew. Now that Harry's been able to write and tell his own story, much of his personality comes across through in interviews. However, I can still see some MNers pushing back, claiming that he IS stupid and his appearances are scripted and that everything he says is nothing but therapy jargon. I think that is pretty harsh and shows that some people on this forum are either unreasonable, have poor judgement themselves, or will say and write anything to just further the skewed, tabloid narrative because of some personal and deep seated dislike/prejudice against Harry and Meghan.

When the OP states that he seems intelligent, I think it's to say he 'does not seem stupid' more so than the OP trying to say that he has a genius-level IQ and is the next Aristotle.

Lampzade · 15/01/2023 13:20

Patertater · 15/01/2023 12:36

It's interesting. To begin with, Harry has always been painted in the press as dim, and not the 'brightest star in the sky' much like his uncle and former spare, Andrew. Now that Harry's been able to write and tell his own story, much of his personality comes across through in interviews. However, I can still see some MNers pushing back, claiming that he IS stupid and his appearances are scripted and that everything he says is nothing but therapy jargon. I think that is pretty harsh and shows that some people on this forum are either unreasonable, have poor judgement themselves, or will say and write anything to just further the skewed, tabloid narrative because of some personal and deep seated dislike/prejudice against Harry and Meghan.

When the OP states that he seems intelligent, I think it's to say he 'does not seem stupid' more so than the OP trying to say that he has a genius-level IQ and is the next Aristotle.

Agree

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 13:20

His own mother said he wasn’t very bright @Patertater. She also said it about herself and said he takes after her.