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Prince Harry - sounds articulate and quite intelligent

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pigalow27 · 08/01/2023 22:39

There seems to be an accepted view that Prince Harry is very dim and unintelligent but he seems to be to be really quite articulate and have a wide vocabulary (antagonist, complicit.) I've thought this before when he made a speech at the Invictus games but assumed it was written for him and he was reading it but the answers to the questions in the interview couldn't all possibly have been learnt,

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lightand · 10/01/2023 07:57

I cant get past all his drug taking to at least age 36.

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 07:59

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 10/01/2023 07:51

@stormywaves My mum went to finishing school. There was a little less emphasis on calculus and a lot more on flower-arranging and millinery…

Yeh was just about to say that. Its napkin folding for posh gals

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 08:01

lightand · 10/01/2023 07:57

I cant get past all his drug taking to at least age 36.

While he was a guest in Tyler Perrys house (although it is legal in CA)

and while Archie was sleeping

all a bit ick

Tamarindtree · 10/01/2023 08:12

If you think Harold sounds intelligent and articulate then you’ll love Rowley Birkin!

bakalava · 10/01/2023 09:46

lightand · 10/01/2023 07:57

I cant get past all his drug taking to at least age 36.

Yes, it suddenly stopped around the time he applied to reside in America 🙄

AutumnCrow · 10/01/2023 10:59

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 08:01

While he was a guest in Tyler Perrys house (although it is legal in CA)

and while Archie was sleeping

all a bit ick

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Probably a daft question, but if it's legal in California, will it still be a big deal regarding renewal(s) of his visa?

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 11:02

@AutumnCrow

I read that it’s not illegal in CA, however, the visa is to do with Federal US law so admitting he has been taking drugs whilst in America on a visa will have an impact. But I’m not sure

HaroldsHoodie · 10/01/2023 11:02

The weed probably goes a long way to explaining his issues. Paranoia, delusions and messed up brain aren’t a good mix for someone like him.

AutumnCrow · 10/01/2023 11:06

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 11:02

@AutumnCrow

I read that it’s not illegal in CA, however, the visa is to do with Federal US law so admitting he has been taking drugs whilst in America on a visa will have an impact. But I’m not sure

OK, thank you for answering. It does seem quite an unwise thing to admit to, in that case. As though he feels above the rules.

RedToothBrush · 10/01/2023 11:43

It won't be a problem to his US visa because he's on a visa for the ultra rich and famous 'with special talent' and they get the benefit of his wealth through the taxation system.

Where I can see it more of an issue is with new EU rules on entry coming in for non EU citizens and an EU attitude wanting to make examples of respectable people who are drug users to crack down on it with holiday makers.

That'd be hilarious.

Diverseopinions · 10/01/2023 12:12

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 10/01/2023 07:46

I am reminded of Howard Gardner's ideas about multiple forms of intelligence.
No one brain can be optimised for all possible modes of thinking. People tend to have strengths and weaknesses. A strength for Harry is that his speech is fluent. This is a type of intelligence, I would argue. There are people who, even with the benefit of a good education, are going to be less fluent than Harry. Speaking easily and effortlessly is also one of Meghan's strengths.

On the other hand, I would say that strategic thinking could be a weakness for both of them.

Yes. I agree. They both seem to struggle with how others might perceive them.

I think in Harry's case, his royal pedigree might skew his understanding of how he goes down: he is used to people making allowances for him and to being popular.

With Meghan, I think her attractiveness blinkers her view of how others might perceive her. She knows she has a high chance of affecting other people (especially men) with her mega-watt star quality and personal magnetism.

Being accepted and loved as a member of the Royal Family is more of a long game, though. I wonder if either listen to true friends.

IcedPurple · 10/01/2023 12:13

RedToothBrush · 10/01/2023 11:43

It won't be a problem to his US visa because he's on a visa for the ultra rich and famous 'with special talent' and they get the benefit of his wealth through the taxation system.

Where I can see it more of an issue is with new EU rules on entry coming in for non EU citizens and an EU attitude wanting to make examples of respectable people who are drug users to crack down on it with holiday makers.

That'd be hilarious.

I didn't think it was known what sort of visa he was on?

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 12:18

bakalava · 10/01/2023 09:46

Yes, it suddenly stopped around the time he applied to reside in America 🙄

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I don’t think it’s stopped. The continuous sniffing throughout the interviews was highly suspicious.

RedToothBrush · 10/01/2023 12:18

IcedPurple · 10/01/2023 12:13

I didn't think it was known what sort of visa he was on?

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Well there's only so many options and money and status ultimately are part of the eligibility criteria for any visa.

CoffeeBoy · 10/01/2023 12:23

justvread an extract from the book about the first time Meghan met Harry.

apparently she leant over and hugged him and he recoiled. Harold muses that Willy probably expected a curtsey as that’s protocol but he hadn’t told her. He also hadn’t told her that Willy doesn’t hug people he doesn’t know.

does not sound like an intelligent man, sounds like someone who has set his gf up make a bad impression with his family. I’m beginning to feel a bit sorry for her.

bakalava · 10/01/2023 12:43

The kiss and tell by older women has already begun 😂It was interesting to note that one said that he was always looking for more mature conversation and that effectively led to their fling, as she sees it.

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 12:53

CoffeeBoy · 10/01/2023 12:23

justvread an extract from the book about the first time Meghan met Harry.

apparently she leant over and hugged him and he recoiled. Harold muses that Willy probably expected a curtsey as that’s protocol but he hadn’t told her. He also hadn’t told her that Willy doesn’t hug people he doesn’t know.

does not sound like an intelligent man, sounds like someone who has set his gf up make a bad impression with his family. I’m beginning to feel a bit sorry for her.

Exactly, questioning of Will expected her to curtesy. Implying he was pulling rank.

Well that question would be answered if Chelsey or Cressida were expected to/did. Clearly they didn’t and it wasn’t expected of them. Otherwise he would have ratted him out for that too

TangledWebOfDeception · 10/01/2023 13:10

Nah, that’s all part of the ‘nasty, uptight’ W/K vs. laidback, hubby Meghan and clueless numpty Harold vibe he’s going with right now. He wants it to be an ‘us vs. them’ thing. He’s settling his and her grievances and so much of that is tied up in the fact that yes, within the institution that constitutes the monarchy, there is a very strict hierarchy, and no, he was never going to be top dog and she was never going to be top princess. That’s how it works!!

What an utter idiot he was to not explain things to Meghan and not to prepare her for how things would be expected to go. Then trying to blame others, all the time, and not himself for his fuck ups! It’s his fault!!

If he really didn’t think it was important - vital, in fact, to explain protocol/expectations to his American girlfriend who would have had no cultural capital with which to navigate the situation(s), then that’s on him. FGS why on earth would he have let her go in blind like that? He’s behaved in a way that shows he’s incredibly dim.

TangledWebOfDeception · 10/01/2023 13:15

Fgs stupid autocorrect - that should be ‘huggy’ not ‘hubby’.

It was always going to be a huge clash of cultures, and Harry should have worked hard to prepare her/explain/give her guidance as to what to do. Mind you there were indications that she didn’t particularly want help or maybe didn’t realise she definitely needed it, so maybe he was just taking her lead. In any case it’s clearly been an utter shit show but I really don’t think he gets to pass the blame bucket to everyone else.

picnicshicnic · 10/01/2023 13:16

Eyerollcentral · 08/01/2023 22:56

@pigalow27 genuinely this was not my impression at all. He was defensive, arrogant and spoke entirely in rehearsed phrases. He was unable to describe the court cases he is pursuing, had to get Tom Bradby to spell out the specifics. It was a total car crash and I do not understand how any person watching that couldn’t come away feeling dreadfully sorry for this very angry and quite ill man. The worst part was the dead eyed and monotonous exhortations that he was blissfully happy

Yes, this was my impression, too.

Lots of stock, repetitive phrases and the rambling was hard to follow.

I'm aware that he and Banbury are friends but I thought Banbury looked very exasperated with him at times, and no wonder.

picnicshicnic · 10/01/2023 13:20

pigalow27 · 08/01/2023 22:59

I don't think he's some kind of intellectual giant or anything but I also don't believe he is below average intelligence. He probably was more concerned with drinking and having a good time in 6th form so a D in Geography isn't utterly hopeless. Didn't Clarkson get a D and a U or something at A level and he's clearly not below average intelligence.

No fan of Clarkson (admittedly I do find him amusing but dislike him as a person) but he thinks for himself. Some of what he thinks may be awful, but he is capable of thought and far from stupid.

I believe Harry completely lacks critical thinking skills and has no self awareness.

Clarkson is aware, he just doesn't care.

paintitallover · 10/01/2023 13:58

I think he sounds articulate. It's interesting that his approach is to say he's telling his story himself and it's not owned by others. Fair enough.

Tripofalifetime343 · 10/01/2023 14:32

I don’t understand all these previous pps and commentators on the news saying “oh he doesn’t look very happy to me”

Well duh! The subject under discussion isn’t very happy is it? Obviously he’s not happy that, as he sees it, he’s had to cut off himself and his wife and kids from his family in UK largely because of shenanigans involving the press! No one would be happy in those circumstances!

The happiness he is referring to, is the life he has in CA with his own immediate family.

I would have thought that was obvious?

Or is everyone choosing to disingenuously misunderstand so they can score another point against him?

Eyerollcentral · 10/01/2023 15:06

Tripofalifetime343 · 10/01/2023 14:32

I don’t understand all these previous pps and commentators on the news saying “oh he doesn’t look very happy to me”

Well duh! The subject under discussion isn’t very happy is it? Obviously he’s not happy that, as he sees it, he’s had to cut off himself and his wife and kids from his family in UK largely because of shenanigans involving the press! No one would be happy in those circumstances!

The happiness he is referring to, is the life he has in CA with his own immediate family.

I would have thought that was obvious?

Or is everyone choosing to disingenuously misunderstand so they can score another point against him?

I’ll not get in to whether or not he HAD to cut himself off from his family because of the press, I don’t believe that’s true but it is a cogent excuse. He’s been looking for a way out for a long time, and from his own comments mostly because he wasn’t the centre of attention at all times. I can’t agree that he seems happy. Also even when talking about his new life he still looks utterly miserable. His face doesn’t light up or even moderately cheer up when he talks about his wife and family. In fact the only time he had anything approaching a smile on his face was smirking listening to his bitchy comments about William balding.

Choconut · 10/01/2023 15:09

pigalow27 · 08/01/2023 22:48

Diana was considered unintelligent too but every letter of hers that I've seen reproduced in the media was always perfectly spelt and punctuated. Looks to me like she'd be achieving at least a grade 7 or 8 at GCSE now!

Diana wasn't unintelligent, she pretended to be 'innocent', 'demure' and 'unworldly' because IMO she felt people - and men in particular - liked that. It meant she had the media in particular wrapped around her little finger (and most of the world tbf).