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Prince Harry - sounds articulate and quite intelligent

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pigalow27 · 08/01/2023 22:39

There seems to be an accepted view that Prince Harry is very dim and unintelligent but he seems to be to be really quite articulate and have a wide vocabulary (antagonist, complicit.) I've thought this before when he made a speech at the Invictus games but assumed it was written for him and he was reading it but the answers to the questions in the interview couldn't all possibly have been learnt,

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borderline53 · 09/01/2023 12:11

I would be interested to know what you mean by the ‘same talk’.

Meaningless waffle.

Satinwoodlill879 · 09/01/2023 12:14

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 09/01/2023 10:08

Press freedom is essential to a 21st century democracy: far more essential than a monarchy. Someone has to hold the overprivileged, arrogant establishment to account. If not the media then who?, because the system certainly will not. Were it not for the press, Andrew would have acted with impunity and even then would have walked away scot free had he not voluntarily convicted himself out of his own mouth on prime time TV.

This is the problem with a hereditary system and a culture of undue deference that refuses to see its anointed overlords can ever do any wrong. The press contributes to that misconception as well, and it does so because it clearly has agreements to paint certain family members in a rosy light if they get the green light to print all the shit they leak about others (Harry almost certainly has a legitimate gripe here).

The media is a very necessary evil. It's unfortunate that the British press in some cases tend to kowtow to the establishment and abuse the very significant power they have to influence others. But despite the horrors like Clarkson and Morgan, I wouldn't want to see that curtailed.

I completely agree with your points about the importance of press freedom. And as you recognise, in many areas where it is vital, the press are completely failing to challenge the government or the establishment enough!

However, alongside the privilege of freedom, there should be a requirement to abide by certain standards of accuracy and legality. Atm the tabloids are free to print and complete falsify stories and use if not illegal practices to obtain them, then bordering on the illegal.

Why did the Conservative government cancel the second part of the Leveson enquiry and fail to implement many recommendations from the first? I think the answer is fairly obvious!

Privacy and accuracy laws pertaining to the press in certain EU countries are set at a higher standard and I think it does the UK no good at all to pander to the basest of tabloid practices.

In some instances, tabloids such as The Daily Mail are driving the political narrative, rather than reporting on it. I think Prince Harry has a point. Why are we allowing them such influence over our lives? A website such as the DM with more than 218 million unique visitors per month can’t be dismissed as “a bit of fun”.

We all know that the owners of these papers, Rothermere and Murdoch among them, have their own political
agendas along with a small group of financiers, speculators, bankers, businessmen and right wing politicians.

A pp said Camilla has been proven to be sound because she has undergone decades of vile abuse without complaint. Why is accepted without question that vile abuse is permitted in the first place?

The more interesting question is why she has to undergo this abuse and that is of course because the RF are enmeshed in a Faustian pact with the tabloids, one being dependent on the other. Whether we want this ridiculousness at the centre of our national life is debateable tbh. But every one of us who clicks on the DM website or buys and reads a tabloid newspaper is culpable.

Suboptimalsitch · 09/01/2023 12:17

What this situation requires is emotional intelligence not a working knowledge of long words. That tends to come with age for many. He’ll look back at this in twenty years and wonder what the fuck he was doing.

I feel he doesn’t have enough insight or self-awareness to look back and think ‘What the fuck was I thinking ‘. He is too self absorbed and self-serving for that. Everything is about what is right for him and Meghan and bugger what anyone else feels or thinks,

Blossomtoes · 09/01/2023 12:24

Nanny0gg · 09/01/2023 10:57

When I was a kid that would have been expected. My sister went to a sec mod. Didn't take any academic exams, she did typing etc. She was very literate, excellent spelling and grammar and could easily string a coherent sentence together using quite long words <sarcasm>

So that's the least to expect from someone who went to the top public school in the country.

Quite. My gran, who was born in 1884, left school when she was 12. She had exquisite copperplate handwriting and her written grammar was impeccable. That was what was expected of anyone with any level of education then.

Laiste · 09/01/2023 12:26

Everything is about what is right for him and Meghan and bugger what anyone else feels or thinks,

And in the end, as much as that sounds attractive in a nut shell, the reality of living away in a vacume of yes people and doggedly developing your own 'truth' ends up as gradual isolation and, frankly, going a bit bat shit.

HaroldsHoodie · 09/01/2023 12:29

Suboptimalsitch · 09/01/2023 12:17

What this situation requires is emotional intelligence not a working knowledge of long words. That tends to come with age for many. He’ll look back at this in twenty years and wonder what the fuck he was doing.

I feel he doesn’t have enough insight or self-awareness to look back and think ‘What the fuck was I thinking ‘. He is too self absorbed and self-serving for that. Everything is about what is right for him and Meghan and bugger what anyone else feels or thinks,

In twenty years’ time he will be almost 60. He needs to do his growing up much more quickly than that if he’s to have any chance of any kind of peace. Otherwise he will only damage himself further and poison everyone around him including his children. Sort yourself out Harold, FGS.

borderline53 · 09/01/2023 12:34

I think that the fact that he’s no longer within the confines of the RF means he hasn’t a clue what he should or shouldn’t say. No PR advisors any more.

fatsocatso · 09/01/2023 12:59

ArseInTheDogBowl · 08/01/2023 22:52

Many many contradictions and hypo rescues displayed across all of the interviews, the Netflix documentaries, the book etc.

Particularly laughed at him saying to Bradby that he wants conversations with his brother and father to remain private 😂😂😂 Literally no self awareness whatsoever.

I laughed at that. Not as much as at this line though:
" I genuinely believe, and I hope, that reconciliation between my family and us will have a ripple effect across the entire world.''

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 09/01/2023 13:09

'Ripple effect' is very Meghan. She stated in her 40th birthday video with Melissa McCarthy that she wanted to 'create a ripple effect' of good deeds.

I can definitely 'hear' Meghan's phraseology and cadences in Harry.

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 13:13

borderline53 · 09/01/2023 12:34

I think that the fact that he’s no longer within the confines of the RF means he hasn’t a clue what he should or shouldn’t say. No PR advisors any more.

110% this .

This is Harry's ultimate problem right now

If you have a grievance against the establishment you have to have a very defined tightly woven argument with evidence to back it up.

Otherwise you will come a total cropper

Given this was someone raised by the 'never explain never complain' mantra he's really never learn the lessons about why and the nature of the Streisand effect .

That's why it's playing out particularly badly here and is liable in time stateside if he continues.

caroleanboneparte · 09/01/2023 13:19

He's well educated by probably has an IQ in the 80-90 range.

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 13:25

IQ 80 to 90 is low average.
I don't think any of the family are bright. Kate is probably the most intelligent.

arghtriffid · 09/01/2023 13:35

Meaningless waffle.

I think these words must have been repeated, millions of times, across the country!

Suboptimalsitch · 09/01/2023 13:35

He's well educated by probably has an IQ in the 80-90 range.

My IQ is in the mid-80s but I have enough self awareness and insight into how what I say or do may impact others and to take accountability for my behaviour and to try to learn from it. Harry seems to be spectacularly self absorbed and self righteous and only bothered about what feels right for him though.

Diverseopinions · 09/01/2023 14:05

Suboptimalsitch · 09/01/2023 13:35

He's well educated by probably has an IQ in the 80-90 range.

My IQ is in the mid-80s but I have enough self awareness and insight into how what I say or do may impact others and to take accountability for my behaviour and to try to learn from it. Harry seems to be spectacularly self absorbed and self righteous and only bothered about what feels right for him though.

I think that comment of yours hits the nail on the head and is what I've been thinking: ' only bothered about what feels right for him'.

I think he has benefitted from therapy and a therapist has guided him as to which moments in his life seem to have affected him most - based on what emotion he shows.

He is, I think, quite good at picking out what was a poignant moment for him, and expresses what it felt like, but self absorbed and not thinking about the situation as it affected others, at all.

borderline53 · 09/01/2023 14:26

Lampzade · 09/01/2023 11:56

I would be interested to know what you mean by the ‘same talk’.

Everyone else seems to know. 😁

borderline53 · 09/01/2023 14:29

arghtriffid · 09/01/2023 13:35

Meaningless waffle.

I think these words must have been repeated, millions of times, across the country!

How do you mean.

Blossomtoes · 09/01/2023 14:33

Suboptimalsitch · 09/01/2023 13:35

He's well educated by probably has an IQ in the 80-90 range.

My IQ is in the mid-80s but I have enough self awareness and insight into how what I say or do may impact others and to take accountability for my behaviour and to try to learn from it. Harry seems to be spectacularly self absorbed and self righteous and only bothered about what feels right for him though.

I think you underestimate yourself. Your writing is most definitely not from someone with an IQ several points below average.

Thereisnolight · 09/01/2023 15:17

Blossomtoes · 09/01/2023 14:33

I think you underestimate yourself. Your writing is most definitely not from someone with an IQ several points below average.

Ha ha no. Where did you get 80?

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 09/01/2023 15:25

I’d agree - no way is @Suboptimalsitch 80. You’ve been doing yourself a disservice woman! 🤗

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 09/01/2023 15:34

Like his wife, he thinks that verbosity makes him sound profound and intelligent. Combine with a 'posh' accent and people, like @pigalow27 start to believe it too. If you actually listen to the content of what he was saying he is not very bright at all. He seems to think that he and his wife matter and have influence on a global level. They barely have an influence on a national level. They both have a hugely inflated sense of ego, 'bringing peace to the whole world...' He does not seem to realise that his family's wealth and privilege (which he was happy to enjoy until it no longer suited) is linked to media interest and that the media maintains the popular belief in his family's power. Yet, he thinks you can dismantle the relationship with the media. Agrees with scrutiny so long as it is not of him or his wife. He is thick and as dull as paint.

Coolheadedbird · 09/01/2023 15:42

Hm they are both not in touch with their families period. Common denominator is H and M.

LibertyLily · 09/01/2023 16:09

BillLius · 08/01/2023 22:55

He sounds like Gordon Ramsey.

william came in

red mist

shoved

dog bow

steak

pan

sizzle

boom

That was my first thought too!

Gardengirl108 · 09/01/2023 16:13

arghtriffid · 09/01/2023 10:04

The bit in the interview where Harry talks about how the press thought he was was racist so he said to clear his name he married Meghan...very, very odd.

He wasn’t talking about marrying Meghan, he was referencing the work he did with Jewish leaders after the whole Nazi uniform debacle.

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 09/01/2023 16:19

That pissed me right off @Gardengirl108 I'm Jewish, I don't care if he spoke to Moses himself, he should have issued a personal apology to British jews at the time, he was 20, not a kiddie. I also thought that was what he was saying @arghtriffid. He completely laid down on the issue of his past behaviour. Didn't know that P**i was a racist term, fuck off. How was what he said to Stephen K Amos not racist? He's a lying frostbitten prick. Angry