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Orangefir · 2023-01-08T14:02:20+00:00

Or will it be Happy Valley 😃 ?

Justasec321 · 09/01/2023 05:06

MoscowMules · 09/01/2023 00:03

The public at the time we're to blame for this. The walk abouts and the hand shaking.

The Queen by all accounts wanted the boys kept in Scotland. But the public would not cease in their pressure to see the family grieving. The demanded their return to London. Baying for grieving blood.

The whole episode of public grieving around Diana's death was sycophantic and abhorrent.

Honestly anyone who joined in with that should be ashamed of themselves, publicly wailing and throwing themselves on their knees. It was fucking odd!

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The public wanted the queen, DoE and PoW.

They were NOT baying for the children.

The royal family threw them in as a human shiled - they were used as protection against the anger they had aroused.

In a way, the children walking behind the coffin saved the institution - I really believe that.

I also believe that it was unconsionable.

MissMarpleRocks · 09/01/2023 05:10

Think it was Tony Blair’s idea though wasn’t it?

It was an extraordinary time. I’m only a couple of years younger than Diana so remember it all well. The British people didn’t behave well & I don’t think Blair & his populist speech helped the situation. He should have advised the Queen better. They were a family in shock & trying to do the best for the boys. The mass hysteria whipped up in part by the media was off the scale.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/01/2023 05:12

Sugarfree23 · 09/01/2023 00:31

Gawd only knows why the boys were encouraged to do walkabouts, or read the flowers in public.
Maybe the family thought it would help them to see she was loved.

The walk behind the coffin. Probably a combination of things.
PP walked behind his sister and three kids when he was a young teen. So felt they might regret if they didn't do it.

If the Boys didn't walk, who would?
Charles Spencer alone, he probaby had never experienced that level of publicity.
Prince Charles, her ex husband, was it right for him to be there?
The boys walking meant it made more sense for PC to walk and PP meant there was someone between William and the crowds.

idk if this has been answered. The public were baying for the Queen’s blood when she stayed at balmoral for some days to comfort the boys. They were also demanding to see the boys to check they were alright. The mood was one of mass hysteria and extremely hostile. The boys were brought out to appease the crowds and prevent social disorder.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/01/2023 05:15

dustydewdrop · 09/01/2023 00:56

I remember a clip of Prince Philip from the time responding to a member of the public saying “you need to look after those boys” or something else similar (but equally as cheeky) with “that’s what we were trying to do”.

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This was when the boys did the walkabout, I think.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/01/2023 05:21

MoscowMules · 09/01/2023 00:45

My money's on Camilla, it really is.

Half of that interview was about how Camilla briefed against them, how they didn't want Camilla to marry his father, how Camilla "wormed" her way in.

And to be honest, the man's got nothing to loose now has he, so I'm inclined to believe him about Camilla.

I don't think he will say it was her though, because maybe that would be, in his eyes the final nail in the coffin for his and his dad's relationship to announce The Queen Consort as racist.

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This is just supposition and could be part of Harry’s paranoia about the press and projection of what his family thinks about him. Personally I wouldn’t read too much into this as it’s just another witch hunt. Last time it was to pin down the racist.

tobee · 09/01/2023 05:22

hoooops · 09/01/2023 04:29

The press in this country is a disgrace and it's high time that someone took them on and did something about it. It's just such a shame that it's Harry. His inconsistencies and the vendetta against his family just give the papers more ammunition. If he could be really specific about what has happened, with evidence, and at the same time stop the spiteful personal stuff, he might be able to make a difference. As it is, with the frosty penis, ass slapping, chess pieces, seal singing, drug taking, dog bowl smashing and petty jealousy, he has given the papers an absolute field day. Millions of words are being devoured by the public and his reputation is screwed, as is the chance of reconciliation with his family.

On top of all that, how can anyone take his stance against the press seriously after he allowed them to write about racism in the RF for two years before correcting what he now says was an inaccurate interpretation of the remarks to Oprah. Not racism after all, apparently!

So he kept quiet while the Queen issued a statement expressing her concern about the race issue and William was asked and denied that they are a racist family. He accepted an award for challenging structural racism in the RF. He took a job tackling misinformation in the media while letting the racist RF narrative continue. And he continues to complain about the RF refusing to correct false stories about his wife. Such hypocrisy. I really think this is the most shocking revelation so far.

I'd 100 x rather we kept our free press in this country rather than anyone "took them on" and "did something about it."

Anyway, many people have taken them on.

Justasec321 · 09/01/2023 05:25

MissMarpleRocks · 09/01/2023 05:10

Think it was Tony Blair’s idea though wasn’t it?

It was an extraordinary time. I’m only a couple of years younger than Diana so remember it all well. The British people didn’t behave well & I don’t think Blair & his populist speech helped the situation. He should have advised the Queen better. They were a family in shock & trying to do the best for the boys. The mass hysteria whipped up in part by the media was off the scale.

It was crazy at the time.

I was on holidays in a different timezone and we watched parts of it on telly at strange hours.

Even then it seemd very cruel to have the children walk like that.

When I came back to London and saw the flowers I was blwn away.

What was happening at that time? Why were people all in? Also - if you look at footage there are a lot of men of all types and ages utterly overcome. Kind of like JFK footage.

Morestrangethings · 09/01/2023 05:26

MissMarpleRocks · 09/01/2023 04:56

Royal marriages have been arranged one forever for the benefit of the institutions until very recently.

Lots of people, myself & family included, have arranged marriages, love follows from what I’ve observed. That it didn’t in C&Ds case shows they weren’t properly matched & that’s the fault of both sets of parents & any matchmakers involved.

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There seems to have been a pretty cavalier attitude adopted that it would work out okay. No one bothered, or no one wanted, to see if it was a personality match.

Also, Charles was coerced if we are to believe he was being made to marry as as an heir was needed. And Diana was coerced when at the last moment, more or less, she wanted out.

Morestrangethings · 09/01/2023 05:40

tobee · 09/01/2023 05:22

I'd 100 x rather we kept our free press in this country rather than anyone "took them on" and "did something about it."

Anyway, many people have taken them on.

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It disturbs me that the free press, in many cases, has lost its sense of responsibility. There is such a thing as journalistic integrity, standards.

Prior to Murdochism there was a sense of that, even in the daily rags (although still questionable). Now it’s all about money and power, rather than service and truth.

The only thing that would see a return to a newspapers with more emphasis on standards is the public refusing to read and click on the tacky ones.

Although, we could do without the concentration of ownership that we have in the country I live in. Don’t know about the UK.

chocolateflapjacks · 09/01/2023 06:14

piedbeauty · 08/01/2023 22:53

@chocolateflapjacks - no, it should be 'William and me' (at end of sentence) or ' William and I' (at start of sentence). See prowritingaid.com/john-and-i-vs-john-and-me

You've misunderstood entirely

100ForCentSilk · 09/01/2023 06:28

MechanicaHound · 08/01/2023 22:20

He's on a mission to shut down the media.

I wonder what he's got to hide in that case.

ThePoshUns · 09/01/2023 06:38

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 08/01/2023 22:50

Why did Harry accept an award for standing up to institutional racism in the RF?

I guess an award for standing up for unconscious bias in the RF isn't quite as catchy?

This. Hypocrisy.

Aspiringmatriarch · 09/01/2023 06:42

I wa

changeme4this · 09/01/2023 06:45

I gave it 5 minutes.

He could have presented a really cool documentary on all the recent and past “spares” in royal family life, involving the other living ones. It may come as a surprise to him, but he isn’t the first “spare”..

..kept in good with his immediate family, gave the audience a few jollies along the way and kept the public respect and love for him intact.

what a self centred dick response…

Benjispruce4 · 09/01/2023 06:48

All that from 5 minutes?

Seaography · 09/01/2023 06:50

While I haven't watched all the interviews surrounding the racism, I do find it fascinating that Harry is being criticised for not correcting the negative stories and allowing all the speculation to carry on unchecked...

If is intentional then it is a great point by H&M but will probably be missed. I must watch all the interviews and read the book before I can form a proper opinion.

Boulshired · 09/01/2023 06:50

It’s easy to see how he burns bridges, if I was Oprah I’d be WTF today, what was that all about.I don’t understand why this person couldn’t be named it’s not like he didn’t name check Camilla and Kate the two women that would be red lines for Charles and William. Or I didn’t say my family is racist just that one made a racist remark. Instead we get more of his buzz words unconscious bias which he clearly does not understand the meaning.

Somebatshitteryonhere · 09/01/2023 06:53

I find myself a little disturbed after watching it.

some things struck me.

he lied.

For example he stated their lives had been all about service since leaving the uk.this is blatantly a lie.
he said that when they left they wished to remain in service, just not live in the uk due to the competition and media. This is a twisting of the truth, they clearly stated they were going to make their own money. It was service as and when they chose.

he validated some things.

for example meghans bullying, it’s very clear that was an ongoing major issue at the time, as it was a main cause of arguments with him and William. He failed to own it, but inadvertently confirmed it.

he presented things to make William look bad and him look good.

for example the fights, he clearly didn’t present the other side, what he was saying or doing that made William react that way, it’s very obvious William didn’t just suddenly go ballistic. So he tried to hide his part in it

he gaslighted

he tried to make Tom think that they never alluded to racism in the royal family , when they absolutely did.

he accepted no responsibility at all.

as much as he said he was sure he made mistakes, he was absolutely not up for owning anything.

he is paranoid and obsessed with the media.

tom said he has three cases, one with the mail accusing them of breaking in and planting evidence . Now it would be surprising if the type of lawyers he used would take that sort of case without evidence. but where would they break into, it would be impossible to break into Nottingham cottage where they lived.

i don’t know, I think it started well with the Diana impact, but then as the interview progressed it became very murky , he is quick to anger, he’s convinced himself of a narrative that he won’t back down from and doesn’t like questions that push him to the truth of it.

Aspiringmatriarch · 09/01/2023 06:54

I watched it and I don't think Harry came across well tbh. The "that's nice of you to concede", using hand gestures to shut down Tom and accusing the media of creating a narrative about racism vs his rather confusing stuff about unconscious bias - why not say something more like that during the Oprah interview, or shortly afterwards, which may have helped pour oil on troubled waters at the time, rather than looking disingenuous as it does now.
Overall impression - some fair points about the press and the briefings, absolutely, but he didn't comes across as willing to give anyone else's perspective a fair hearing. All very sad.

WeWereInParis · 09/01/2023 07:02

ArcaneWireless · 09/01/2023 01:08

My problem is that the OW interview was a worldwide bombshell, with an incredibly clear inference, which was picked to pieces then and since. At NO point have H&M piped up to say that how it was being received was incorrect. And then, almost 2 years later, it’s just casually dropped in that oh no, never said they were racist. That is what has boggled my mind somewhat.

Indeed.

And yet they expect others to jump to their defence when horrible things are said about them.

It works both ways 🤷🏻‍♀️

I agree with this. In the Oprah interview, Meghan says there were "concerns", she looks upset, and Oprah gasps "what?!" and looks appalled.

It was described everywhere (not just British press) as Harry and Meghan revealing racism within the royal family, and they were praised for it. If I'd said something that led to my whole family being branded as racist, and if I didn't think that was the correct interpretation of what I'd said, I'd be correcting it. And they could have said something like, once again, press manipulation twisting what we've said, media creating conflict and stoking division etc etc. But they chose not to, which is fine, but he can't then act annoyed two years later when someone says he called them racist (and Tom Bradby wasn't criticising Harry when he said it).

And yet he is still upset that the palace didn't correct the bridesmaids' dress fitting story.

sashagabadon · 09/01/2023 07:07

Harry just accepted an award for exposing racism in the royal family so I must admit to being a bit what! Just like Oprah but for the opposite reason

OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 09/01/2023 07:10

I've seen a few clips from the US interview this morning and I don't know if it's the questions asked or the clips that GMB have chosen to show but his demeanour seems completely different from the UK interview?

He seems much more emotional? Has he changed his outward composure to match the audience?

dustydewdrop · 09/01/2023 07:17

Boulshired · 09/01/2023 06:50

It’s easy to see how he burns bridges, if I was Oprah I’d be WTF today, what was that all about.I don’t understand why this person couldn’t be named it’s not like he didn’t name check Camilla and Kate the two women that would be red lines for Charles and William. Or I didn’t say my family is racist just that one made a racist remark. Instead we get more of his buzz words unconscious bias which he clearly does not understand the meaning.

Oprah and her OTT fake reactions in that interview can do one. She was complicit.

dustydewdrop · 09/01/2023 07:21

OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 09/01/2023 07:10

I've seen a few clips from the US interview this morning and I don't know if it's the questions asked or the clips that GMB have chosen to show but his demeanour seems completely different from the UK interview?

He seems much more emotional? Has he changed his outward composure to match the audience?

Playing to his audience. America seem to love all that phoney Oprah-style hand-holding, throwing accusations out left right and centre. We’re a bit more reserved over here.

4thtimeunlucky · 09/01/2023 07:22

JudgeJ · 09/01/2023 00:23

Spot on, the public were vile, egged on by the press. What grandmother in those circumstances would be expected to go back to work and ignore her grandsons? If anyone said this at the time though, as I did, it was almost tar and feathering.

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I've never really understood how this worked regarding the press opinion v public opinion. At the time of Diana's death there was no social media so "the public" could only really express their opinion to people IRL or by writing a letter to a newspaper. However, the press could have influenced opinion considerably. I feel like the press potentially created a narrative that the RF "should" do something for the grieving public rather than the general public insisting on it?