If you’re not pro RF or Pro Megs/Haz. What do you believe?

[Orangefir]

If you have mixed opinions of each camp. What do you and what do you not believe?

I’ll go first!

Truth

• I do think William has a temper
• I think Harry is extremely unwell
• I do think William and Kate gave a very cool welcoming to Meg because they were wary of her
• I do believe Meghan was seeking a platform
• I do believe she was judged because she is mixed race
• I do believe she was judged because she was divorced, mid thirties, an actress and American
• I do believe both Harry and Meg were given preferential treatment ( Xmas at Sandringham when only engaged etc)
• I do believe the previously work-shy Cambridges upped their game on Meghans arrival because they were intimidated by her
• I believe the Sussex staff and how they were mistreated
• I believe Meg and Harry have no self awareness and are hypocrites with their behaviour
• I believe that Megs connections helped her target a date with the prince and was planned
• I do believe that the marriage will end in divorce because of Harry’s behaviour
• I do think stories were leaked but not on the orders of William and Charles but were leaks from disgruntled staff, many stories have turned out to be true.

I don’t believe Diana is communicating with Harry, that the palace were conspiring against them or that Meghan has any real control over Harry

This.

But I also don't think that Harry is "unwell". I think he's just massively pissed off, and with due cause frankly.

Get rid of all of them, it seems to be making them all miserable.

I don't agree that the intense dislike of megan in the UK is anything to do with her being mixed race! It has far more to do with her being American and the completely different culture! I remember watching the engagement interview and she completely dominated it, i was thinking that this won't go down well because its simply not the way things are done with royalty in this country. Yes she was targeted about her race by a few morons on social media and the media but that was not the general consensus about her! The more she refused to adhere to protocol the more disliked she became! We accept the privileges the RF have but we expect them to behave in a certain way. Harry has completely blown any support he may have had left by writing this book, it's unnecessarily spiteful and vindictive!

Yeah - the 'Harry is unwell' line is an attempt at gaslighting of a scapegoat

Harry has been well advised . He's laying it all out re himself and keeping back plenty re William etc
So the establishment have nothing on him and know he had more to say

I can't remember the poster's name but someone trotted out the 'they cost us £1.50 each' - I'm afraid you've fallen for more royal PR . It's not true .
It doesn't cover a fraction of the the true costs . Tue law doesn't apply to the royals so they can offer some financial information 'voluntarily ' and keep more obfuscated

People are acting like this is unprecedented but it's very similar to what happened before.

I agree - but all with the unifying presence of the Queen and before social media.

The Queen had the advantage of being 25 when she became Queen, and for whatever reason put her job first, and managed to distance herself from the mess of her children’s relationships.

It seems that the P and P of Wales want to follow in her footsteps, but do they really want that for their own children? It’s not just about managing the media anymore, it’s about managing anyone with a phone AND disgruntled family members who will probably keep talking.

The mystique of the crown depends on keeping secrets, because no normal human being can be that icon.

She wasn’t judged directly because of her mixed heritage, she was judged because this is the first royal with a mixed heritage and there’s this element that she needed to prove herself. I don’t think there were racist headlines etc but I do think people paid more attention when she did break protocols (because of the culture clash) because she is mixed race. So I do believe she was judged because of her heritage.

Also judged because she was an actress (which means attention seeking in some eyes)
also judged for her age (that she would snare Harry quickly) that she was divorced (therefore not the Disney virgin princess we’ve been brought up on). Also judged as a loud and uncouth American because of stereotypes.

however, she chose to break a lot of protocols because she just didn’t believe in them and she thought she knew best, encourage by a rather bitter Harry

We accept the privileges the RF have but we expect them to behave in a certain way.

which makes for a rather toxic relationship with the public.

I don't believe Kate was distant with Meghan because both Harry and Meghan made a point in their engagement interview about how wonderful Kate had been.

How else do you suppose that the monarch (who is head of state and representative of the Uk) is held to account seen as we doesn’t elect a king or a Queen?

They reign only because public opinion keeps them there and they choose to be there

Camilla had a dirty hand in what stories get released to make herself look good and others look bad. Wait till Williams king. She'll be dragged through mud and become irrelevant.

Charles is too lazy to deal with anything or even know when he's being manipulated. He can't handle being king without mummy there.

Harry is struggling and it would have been better for him to have his mum alive. He really needed her.

They reign only because public opinion keeps them there and they choose to be there

And public opinion is managed by feeding stories to the media, but in order to maintain interest the media needs gossip and drama, and that, plus the hierarchy, seems to chew up about half of the the people involved.

I don't care about any of them. I've only been concerned about the vitriol I've seen in the papers and on here. But I do think he is going to massively regret this book. I can only assume he doesn't care and is prepared to never see /speak to them again.

There's no doubt that having the parents he has and how their lives were played out in the press, he was going to have issues. He evidently hates the media and isn't shy to make that clear. The press will always go for him purely for that reason.

I think H and M could have been very good for the Royal Family if they had stayed and worked.
Failing that, they could have gone off to USA, M keep acting and H work for veterans' charities, had a quiet life and just come back to the UK for family events and holidays. Like a posher version of the Tindalls.
I think H is fixated on his mother. Perhaps understandably, but he only knew her as a small child so didn't see all the complexities of her life and personality. And he forgets that William was also a bereaved child.
I think that Charles is a loving father, even tho he probably made mistakes, and will be hurt and also worried about his son.
I also think that this book will help Charles as King, because he now has public sympathy.
I think the Coronation will be fantastic, and very popular.
I think Camilla is great for Charles, and that William probably now recognises this and gets on with her just fine.
I have no idea what will happen in future with H & M, but H should probably be the more worried one of the two!

I believe Meghan has been subjected to some racism.

I believe she has had unfair press as a result of her ethnicity, nationality, occupation and previous martial status.

I don't believe Harry properly prepared Meghan for coming into the royal family or warned her what it entailed.

I do think she and Harry could have ignored and not read the vast majority of the negative press and that the majority of the pain, law suits and misery could have been avoided if they'd simply ignored it.

I don't believe William or Charles knowingly issued or leaked any negative stories (staff members may have, but not William and Charles).

I do believe that Meghan and Harry love each other very much and their devotion to each other is sweet to see.

I do believe Harry is very bitter and jealous of Williams status which is nothing to do with William and down to pure chance of being born first.

I do believe sibling squabbles and fights - verbal and physical - are a normal dynamic. I know of very few siblings who haven't come to blows (make and female) at some point in the their lives - and Harry is blowing this out of proportion. Equally the issue of William having a bigger bedroom etc; nothing personal against Harry, but usually the older sibling royal or not has the bigger bedroom. Storm in a teacup.

I don't think it was reasonable for Meghan to accuse Catherine of having baby brain due to her hormones - for a (then) childless woman to say that to a pregnant woman who she doesn't know very well is very rude.

I believe William loves his brother and was desperately trying to get him to have a meaningful dialogue with him and Charles. Harry stating William asking him 'why didn't you come to me?' highlights to me that Harry has let the majority of these issues fester and evolve in his own head without discussing it with his family and it has exploded in the way it has.

I believe there are multiple inconsistencies in Harry's account that I've seen so far. But overall, so think it's all very sad. He's alienated himself from his family and I hope it doesn't negatively affect him and his children.

Which is the same MPs or those in positions of power in the UK. It’s how society works, the public gets to comment. If they don’t want to be a working royal they don’t have to be- they aren’t forced to

I believe Kate enjoyed being the only woman in the terrific trio and enjoyed the attention from both men as well as the public before Harry met and married Meghan.

I believe that may have fueled jealousy or resentment of some sort, if not immediately, then once Meghan started trying to get into action with causes, etc.

I believe Kate felt Meghan was going to upstage her either in aesthetics or work-wise or both.

I believe Kate was frosty or standoffish or the usual British polite and outwardly nice but passive aggressive and actually resentful towards Meghan.

I don't think it is because Meghan is mixed race, although I don't rule that out. I think any woman would get the same treatment from her if they were as beautiful as Meghan and also acted the same way.

I believe Kate has played a safe role and I don't blame her for that. I believe she wants to simply be what she is and Meghan wants to be more. Neither is wrong but Meghan's ambition isn't acceptable by the RF or the general public in this case. That's unfortunately her downfall, whereby Kate is still thriving.

I believe Kate is very beautiful too and she has nothing to worry about regarding competing with Meghan's beauty. They both are.

I believe she wants to simply be what she is and Meghan wants to be more

That seems to be true in that Meghan talked about losing her voice, but constitutionally it isn’t a choice - the RF do not have a voice.

To be fair RF members who should know better have also been confused - Andrew seems to have thought that he had an advisory role (hence helpful relationship with ‘businessman’ Epstein) , and Charles has got very close to the line.

I do wonder whether being just 2 siblings has caused some of the damage, a third sibling may have helped this imbalance of position between the brothers.

I believe Harry has always been unstable and held a resentment about being 2nd best and that the Cambridges had 3 children specifically to guard against this in that generation.

Hilarious that some posters are commenting as though they have any clue what goes on in the minds of people they don't know and have never met!

I think it's obvious that this is all speculation. OP has asked what people believe; clearly, no one has proof of these beliefs.

Yes; it's the fact some posters have clearly invested a lot of thought and given really detailed responses!

Almost as hilarious as someone who is apparently above threads like these nonetheless feeling the need to read and comment.

It's idle speculation. We're discussing opinions.

@Orangefir I agree with most of your points.
Meghan played fir Harry like a fisherman plans to catch a specimen Barbel.

Using same perfume as Diana wore- That’s just creepy!

The “Psychic” stuff is nonsense as well.
Look up Derren Brown and how he debunks so called psychics.

If they were able to really communicate with the dead, They’d not pass on such Barnum Statements such as “”Your mother is around you”.
It would be much more meaningful stuff, surely.

I agree with the poster suggesting maybe further siblings could have eased Harry’s burden. I’m sure I heard Charles was desperate for a daughter (that he gets on with females more) but clearly him and Diana were not going to have any more.

I think when you are the ‘spare’ you need support. Look at the king and queen of Spain and how they support their daughters. The king often does engagements with princess Lenore and the queen and her sister stand side by side supporting them. They have also managed princess Lenores pathway very well. She is 18 and doing engagements on her own now. Obviously very limited but it’s very clear she is the heir. They haven’t coupled the sisters up and given them both an equal platform. This is what should have happened with wills and Harry. But their parents divorced and then Diana died. Wills journey to become king should have started at an earlier age in terms of engagements at etc. It really wasn’t until his mid thirties that this took place by which point we’ve had two decades of Harry believing he was of equal importance to his brother

I believe that if PH was a woman and had been distanced from his family is such a way, MNetters would say Meghan was very controlling and this was mostly her fault. But they don't because she is, a woman and the fact she is mixed race complicates things even more because any suggestion of her being involved leads to accusations of racism.
I think Megham wanted things her way and when she didn't get her way, she turned against the RF.
I think PH is very easily led and manipulated into seeing a different narrative.
I think PH and MM will split when he realises what a fool he has been, which will cause huge problems for the RF as both the children are (I think) American citizens.
I think MM will accept a massive settlement but will use the children to get everything her way and continue to do so.
I think in 10 years time, the whole RF - including PH - will wish he had never met MM