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If you’re not pro RF or Pro Megs/Haz. What do you believe?

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Orangefir · 08/01/2023 00:21

If you have mixed opinions of each camp. What do you and what do you not believe?

I’ll go first!

Truth

  • I do think William has a temper
  • I think Harry is extremely unwell
  • I do think William and Kate gave a very cool welcoming to Meg because they were wary of her
  • I do believe Meghan was seeking a platform
  • I do believe she was judged because she is mixed race
  • I do believe she was judged because she was divorced, mid thirties, an actress and American
  • I do believe both Harry and Meg were given preferential treatment ( Xmas at Sandringham when only engaged etc)
  • I do believe the previously work-shy Cambridges upped their game on Meghans arrival because they were intimidated by her
  • I believe the Sussex staff and how they were mistreated
  • I believe Meg and Harry have no self awareness and are hypocrites with their behaviour
  • I believe that Megs connections helped her target a date with the prince and was planned
  • I do believe that the marriage will end in divorce because of Harry’s behaviour
  • I do think stories were leaked but not on the orders of William and Charles but were leaks from disgruntled staff, many stories have turned out to be true.

I don’t believe Diana is communicating with Harry, that the palace were conspiring against them or that Meghan has any real control over Harry

OP posts:
picnicshicnic · 08/01/2023 03:01

BradfordGirl · 08/01/2023 00:44

@Fabfam I have seen a LOT of racism towards Meghan on MN. Always people who claim they are not racist.

Yes, I find the racism upsetting.

When watching the Netflix documentary ?of which I thought there wasn't much of interest to be honest) the one thing that I did find incredibly poignant was the excitement and high hopes of many that a mixed race girl was marrying into tHE RF.

The interviews with the young black school girls I found very difficult to watch because their excitement was so sad to see, knowing now how it turned out.

I do think Harry was right when he said that the RF "missed a trick" with Meghan because she was mixed race. I think it could have been such a great thing, even if the institution embraced it for the wrong reasons (for PR, for likeability etc). Whatever their motivation, the results could and should have been great.

It was so disappointing to see how it turned out. And I don't really know who was to t blame for that....the RF or the press? I'm leaning towards the press.

Sindonym · 08/01/2023 03:13

Agree with that @picnicshicnic - although I found the documentaries interesting. after seeing that I don’t believe MM bullied staff.

Will read the book before passing comment on the rest. It sounds a bit OTT but also aware press will be selectively quoting. Publishers may have shafted him there.

MarshaMelrose · 08/01/2023 03:15

So this thread isn't just for people with no previous bias, then?

clyspa · 08/01/2023 04:22

Starsstand - it's an opinion that seemed fairly neutral

I have a degree in English literature doesn't make me Shakespeare

pompomdaisy · 08/01/2023 04:43

I believe M wanted stardom and fame at any cost.
I believe divorce will arrive very soon after the last book.

tobee · 08/01/2023 05:06

I believe many people have become addicted to becoming hyper about something or other on SM; saw that majorly with covid.

I believe many people have become addicted to being wholly one side or the other on whatever issue.

People also like to blame the press but they are still bought and read by millions of people.

StarsSand · 08/01/2023 05:23

clyspa · 08/01/2023 04:22

Starsstand - it's an opinion that seemed fairly neutral

I have a degree in English literature doesn't make me Shakespeare

No, but did it teach you how to critique good/bad writing? Give you a sense of the basics so you can tell when they haven't been applied?

That article takes some big swings in what it concludes and is full of gaps in terms of how they got there.

Whenharrymetsmelly · 08/01/2023 06:48

Orangefir · 08/01/2023 00:43

Agree with the Oprah comments. I feel there’s some sort of agenda there. We know that Fergie gave her interviews and that Oprah was shocked that Andrew and Fergie had a dingy dark apartment at Buckingham palace. History repeating itself with her ‘shock’ at living conditions. I’m sure I read that she tried to get a Diana interview post divorce

I don't think Oprah would have an agenda as such, but probably more being American would think royalty would have fancier homes. Which is fair enough!
I think Harry has MH issues and I think Meghan is quite smart and manipulative, it's hard not to forget she's an actress afterall. I think they are in love. I think they bring out the worst in each other unfortunately.
I do think it's plausible that W&K were a bit jealous of their popularity, and equally that they would've been quite standoffish. They don't really seem like the kind of couple you could have a laugh with. I also think M very likely came across rude and obnoxious. I find it hard to believe she was so clueless and think she did think things wouldn't apply to her.
Seems a huge clash of cultures tbh and just very sad how it has ended up. I don't think there will be any coming back from this. Sad as they are a family and it does seem the brothers were very close.
Who really knows what goes on behind closed doors. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between.

Busybutbored · 08/01/2023 06:53

SilverBirchWithout · 08/01/2023 02:20

I do believe this might be a good thing in the long term. Many people have put the royal family on a pedestal, believing they are somehow better than the rest of us - more civilised, more cultured, more sane, and so on. They are just as flawed, boring and self-absorbed as the rest of the human race. People believing they are in some way superior is not healthy for a nation.

I do believe that the press played an initial and significant part in vilifying Meghan because of her mixed-race heritage, and being an American actress with ‘a past’. Unfortunately I also do believe Meghan (although undeniably beautiful and adored by Harry) isn’t actually a very likeable person.

I do believe Harry despite all his advantages is profoundly stupid/thick and is not capable of running his own life or making sensible decisions. He has lost any useful support network, friendships, and purpose and has no adequate personal skills to help him move forward and build a life which will make him content. He appears to be the type of person who shape-shifts to whatever environment he is currently experiencing and is influenced by those around him. In some ways he is very much like Andrew who wasn’t very bright either.

I do believe that not all therapists are helpful or useful. Therapy has its uses, but can be damaging if it is the incorrect type for a particular individual.

I do believe it must be quite tough to be born as the second child into a monarchy always aware that you are not as ‘important’ as your elder sibling. It must also be tough to be born into a role as heir to the throne, knowing you are destined to play a role you cannot change. I also believe that however tough these things are they are not as tough as many other people’s life chances into which they are born - disabilities, class, lack of resources, abusive families, religion, ethnicity, gender.
I do wonder whether being just 2 siblings has caused some of the damage, a third sibling may have helped this imbalance of position between the brothers.

I do believe that Harry is very much like his mother, and other members of the Spencer family who are possibly even more dysfunctional than the Windsors.

I do believe that the media will eventually become bored with Harry - the money making for both Meghan and Harry has a limited life span, there is only so many times they can repeat all the perceived slights and revelations. In 5-10 years time they will have become an irrelevance and a sad spectacle rotating through the US media circuit.

Agree 💯 with the therapist comment, everyone I know who has been to one has come out feeling like they are a victim and blaming others, generally their family (which who knows, might be correct but you need to be empowered and not be a victim or you'll never heal)

Goodread1 · 08/01/2023 06:59

I believe in Pagan faith and faeries sprites, I have seen one a few years ago,

🤗

Startwithamimosa · 08/01/2023 07:06

I think Meghan could've done better and married some glamorous actor or singer 💁🏼‍♀️ she probably didn't realise what she was getting herself into, Harry sounds so good on paper 🤔 the whole thing is a total sh*tshow

happinessischocolate · 08/01/2023 07:34

I haven't read or watched anything so only see snippets that people comment on.

I think Harry knows what he's doing. He's doing a Kieran, so if he's going he's taking Will down with him.

If he can't be part of the royal family then there will be no royal family.

Booboos1 · 08/01/2023 09:06

ive never had any interest in the RF or harry and Meghan but it did watch the Netflix documentary as I was bored (and became quite hooked). I’m surprised at all the hatred towards them as I thought they both came across as quite likeable and genuine and can’t really see what they’ve done wrong. I don’t understand why harry has included the stuff he has put in his book though; ie the virginity thing etc but equally surprised it’s caused such outrage

Boulshired · 08/01/2023 09:25

I found the documentary interesting but came away thinking their leaving was more to do with the media and Meghans family. Even in the book other than the fight the arguments/fall outs seem petty and based on feelings than actual actions. Much of the book is pre Meghan and Harry does come across that he needs managing for his own good. Who assumes they are going to be financially supported before they leave especially in regards to his family protection. I do not think that Meghan is manipulating Harry more that she’s found herself with someone who needs to be led and she did what she felt was right. I think that they are good people who are bad for each other.

Theunamedcat · 08/01/2023 09:28

I think prince william married into a stable secure family unit that caused issues with the royal family (leaks of them getting jealous over him spending time with them) they toe the family line kate had 10 (?) Ish years of press abuse and still married him I don't doubt he has a temper most people do

Harry is stuck in that little boy place "the one who lost his mother" he is used to people covering up for him putting things right for him sorting things out for him dealing with things this is the girat time he has been out on his own and boy can't you tell! he is word vomiting everything and anything whether it makes sense or not whether it makes him look good or not I started to think he had some kind of mental health issue now I just think maybe it's just him? this is how he really is

I've no real opinion on meghan because she seems a pretty normal American to me bit of a parody of one at times but together they both come across like a parody of a couple it's hard to describe really

I feel sorry for Charles losing his parents close together watching his sons implode but he has his camilla whether she likes it or not

Theunamedcat · 08/01/2023 09:29

First time not girat?

SallyWD · 08/01/2023 09:32

I agree with most of what you say but I'm sure Charles and William leaked to the press on occasion.

Bagatella · 08/01/2023 09:40

Orangefir · 08/01/2023 00:21

If you have mixed opinions of each camp. What do you and what do you not believe?

I’ll go first!

Truth

  • I do think William has a temper
  • I think Harry is extremely unwell
  • I do think William and Kate gave a very cool welcoming to Meg because they were wary of her
  • I do believe Meghan was seeking a platform
  • I do believe she was judged because she is mixed race
  • I do believe she was judged because she was divorced, mid thirties, an actress and American
  • I do believe both Harry and Meg were given preferential treatment ( Xmas at Sandringham when only engaged etc)
  • I do believe the previously work-shy Cambridges upped their game on Meghans arrival because they were intimidated by her
  • I believe the Sussex staff and how they were mistreated
  • I believe Meg and Harry have no self awareness and are hypocrites with their behaviour
  • I believe that Megs connections helped her target a date with the prince and was planned
  • I do believe that the marriage will end in divorce because of Harry’s behaviour
  • I do think stories were leaked but not on the orders of William and Charles but were leaks from disgruntled staff, many stories have turned out to be true.

I don’t believe Diana is communicating with Harry, that the palace were conspiring against them or that Meghan has any real control over Harry

I believe what you believe

sashagabadon · 08/01/2023 09:40

I think both William and Harry have had a difficult childhood but one married a woman that is stable emotionally and can probably talk him into sensibleness and the other married a women that is not and talks him into drama.
I also think the rf know full well Harry is a loose canon and protected him for years but he was popular and well liked so it worked ok.
I think they are very worried about him now as he has walked away from that protection and is in the hands of people that do not have his best interests at heart. I don’t mean Meghan as I think she does love him and he is her kids father but she is likely being manipulated too.

CampervanKween · 08/01/2023 09:43

I think perhaps it's a clash of cultures.

Wealthy Americans are all about glamour and immaculate ostentatious houses (getting all this from Real Housewives 😆)

Our rich people especially old money often live in massive but run down piles. They're not modern and glamorous like in LA.

Plus there's a lot of boring pleb meeting, hospital in Doncaster opening work to be done as a royal. It's not all tiaras and gowns.

I bet MM didn't realise this and was probably horrified it wasn't as glamorous as she'd expected. I'd be exiting sharply to the sun and sleek lines of the US if I were here. UK life isn't for everyone.

CampervanKween · 08/01/2023 09:44

I also agree with your opening summary.

custardbear · 08/01/2023 09:50

I also believe much of what's been said on this thread. I really have no time for MM and PH.
I believe that MM got herself set up with someone to give her a platform, she thought she'd struck gold with PH! I think she realised quickly that she would be bridled by the Firm, so decided to point herself in a different direction and buggered off back to USA.
I believe she manipulated poor stupid PH and wound him up like a toy, pushing the right buttons to get him to dump all over his family.
I believe she knows exactly what she's doing and is making herself her own princess in the USA.
I don't think it's working though.
I believe she's only with him til she can fuck off with someone else who can give her more.
I believe she's conceited and entitled, as is PH.
I believe he's damaged by his childhood and loss of his mum.
I believe MM is all over that and pushing his buttons.
I believe MM wants to be seen as the new Diana, and take off from when she left off, except I don't think she can do it, she's too selfish and nasty, and she isn't liked.
I believe they're trying to use the press to build their Disney story, but the press, and public see straight through them and their lies and greed.
I hope, once MM divorces PH that the RF find it in their hearts to take him back, I really don't think he is a stable man and he needs help

GoingtotheWinchester · 08/01/2023 09:50

@QueenOfHiraeth there are no “profits from tourism” and that cost excludes all security which is huge. So no they cost us considerably more than that. And actually the cost isn’t the most problematic thing about having a royal family in the 21st century 😬.

Nishky32 · 08/01/2023 09:52

I believe that PH and MM have done something courageous and morally right in taking on the appalling press in the UK

I believe that sadly this is is at great personal cost to themselves

I believe that the poster who said that MM ‘married down’ is correct (although I don’t like that term, I agree with the sentiment)

I believe ( although that this is wishful thinking as I am an eternal optimist) that KC and MM could get together and work a way out of this so there could be a reconciliation- you may ask why should she? I believe for the sake of her children she would do that.

Quitelikeit · 08/01/2023 09:52

What do I believe?

that PR teams employed by both sides keep coming on MN and creating posts!!!