If you’re not pro RF or Pro Megs/Haz. What do you believe?

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If you have mixed opinions of each camp. What do you and what do you not believe?

I’ll go first!

Truth

• I do think William has a temper
• I think Harry is extremely unwell
• I do think William and Kate gave a very cool welcoming to Meg because they were wary of her
• I do believe Meghan was seeking a platform
• I do believe she was judged because she is mixed race
• I do believe she was judged because she was divorced, mid thirties, an actress and American
• I do believe both Harry and Meg were given preferential treatment ( Xmas at Sandringham when only engaged etc)
• I do believe the previously work-shy Cambridges upped their game on Meghans arrival because they were intimidated by her
• I believe the Sussex staff and how they were mistreated
• I believe Meg and Harry have no self awareness and are hypocrites with their behaviour
• I believe that Megs connections helped her target a date with the prince and was planned
• I do believe that the marriage will end in divorce because of Harry’s behaviour
• I do think stories were leaked but not on the orders of William and Charles but were leaks from disgruntled staff, many stories have turned out to be true.

I don’t believe Diana is communicating with Harry, that the palace were conspiring against them or that Meghan has any real control over Harry

some of judging of Meghan was a combination of being mixed race as well as not being of the desired class, an actress and even American. Which unless direct it make it difficult to differentiate some peoples nastiness to her.
i do think Harry will be in rehab within 5 years

Really? So if the million pound question on WWTBAM was ‘who is the wife of Prince William’ you’d say ‘I don’t know, I’m incredulous that anyone knows?’ You would say, as you did in your first post, that you have no clue who any of these people are?

It’s the same snobby ‘I’m so above it all’ attitude that has people jumping into threads about the Kardashians to shout frantically ‘I don’t even know who they are!!’ Firstly, doubt you’ve never heard of them unless you live under a rock, secondly, why join a thread about something you’ve never heard of and don’t know about to tell people you’ve never heard of it?

I believe the members of the RF are more racist than not, from the top to the scullery maid - this includes Harry. In that I think they believe in some sort of supremacy even if some of them don't actively hate or offend others.

I believe some of the information from 'private sources' are either signed off on or deliberately allowed to fester by those in charge.

I don't believe the Queen or Charles had any issues with Meghan and I think if they didn't want Meghan as part of the family, it wouldn't have happened.

I don't believe Meghan bullied anyone. She may have been rude unintentionally but it would've been more of a culture clash, where what she meant didn't come through and it's what wouldn't be seen as rude in the US.

This is the first time I've heard the Cambridge's were previously work shy?

They have always had a low number of public engagements and used to be heavily criticised in the press.

It is far more. This is a Royal Family statistic that leaves out loads of the costs. We do not even know how much their security costs.

Yeh agreed, she was not only judge because she was mixed race but also because her job, her past relationships, her class, her age (people would assume she would push to get married quickly and have a family sooner rather than later. There wasn’t going to be a 10 courtship like Will and Kate had)

One thing I don’t think Meghan understands about the British public is how hyper sensitive we are to the issues of class. That the upper classes are either born into it or married. She is now upper class. As such, the public won’t tolerate certain behaviour. So the idea of mistreating staff really badly affected the publics opinion of her. Marie Annoinette said ‘let them eat cake’ …….Harold said ‘what Meghan wants, Meghan gets’. Its the same idea…..the upper classes out of touch and the peasants revolt!

Can I copy yours?

I believe the way MM has been treated by the media has been truly awful and disproportionately worse than KM. The comparison of similar stories about the two of them is striking.

I believe this disparity between the media treatment was due to a bit of racism, the fact that she dared to be American and divorced, but also that it was somehow encouraged/not discouraged by the RF.

I believe PW has had an affair and that stories about MM may have been traded to keep the media happy and protect the Cambridges. I find PW arrogant and definitely believe he has a temper. I don't see much love in their marriage.

I believe MM is a bit of a dick but no more so than PW. I believe the Cambridges were put out by MM seemingly being initially perceived as a breath of fresh air. KM is beautiful but MM is more striking looking and I think there's jealousy there.

I didn't initially think the book/interviews were a terrible idea. MM was vilified for doing very little wrong (certainly in comparison to Andrew) and I think they were entitled to set the record straight. I honestly didn't expect Harry to go into quite so much bizarre detail though and I can't help but wonder wtf he wasn't advised to remove all the weird shit. I think he was trying to be edgy and so the opposite of the stoic RF but he has just come off as embarrassing and inappropriate.

I get his bitterness at being the spare in an institution that did his mother so much harm. He must be deeply troubled.

I don't really get the KC only cares about Camilla thing. I actually think they are bored of each other. She spends a lot of time in her own house. I think the only person he really cares about is himself, but I don't even dislike him. As much as being the spare is difficult, Charles never had the personality to be the heir.

www.investmentmonitor.ai/features/how-much-money-does-the-monarchy-bring-to-the-uk/

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/royal-finances

This. I also believe the whole family needs intensive family therapy, and individual
therapy probably. I also believe they should stop persecuting wildlife and killing birds of prey on their estates.

I believe the business/celeb world is an opportunist's paradise. People who are networking and schmoozing with other people all do so out of self-interest.So all of Meghan's friends, helpers and interviewers after she became a Duchess are questionable but they're mutually yoked and getting something from each other. Same with the RF friends.That's how society works if you enjoy being famous or making lots of money or knowing those people.So I don't think Oprah or Tyler are doing anything out of the ordinary.

Oh big whoop.

Is this something that's meant to impress us?

I can't stand any of them.

The media had a lot of involvement in the stuff about Meghan's (awful) family coming out. Money talks. They made her a laughing stock on her wedding day. And then the business of the letter to her Dad.

@hmmmintereting

There was the Duchess of Dolittle attached to Kate at one point. William was criticised for the low number of engagements (especially when you look at Anne!). Think the queen was said to have asked William when he was courting Kate- what does she actually do?

There are more stories being released in the Daily Mail:

That William believes Harry is unwell and that he has been brainwashed by therapy

I believe he is unwell and there is such a thing as too much therapy

I believe PW has a temper as do I and everyone else

I think any number of people could have 'leaked' Louise worked in a garden centre - assuming it was one open to the general public?

Why are some people so willing to blindly believe shit? Palace leaked Louise worked at garden centre to make her look 'just like the plebs' - just applying some basic logic and consideration of other possible explanations shoots holes in this story surely?

Urgh I'm getting cross and it all really doesn't matter!!

I do believe this might be a good thing in the long term. Many people have put the royal family on a pedestal, believing they are somehow better than the rest of us - more civilised, more cultured, more sane, and so on. They are just as flawed, boring and self-absorbed as the rest of the human race. People believing they are in some way superior is not healthy for a nation.

I do believe that the press played an initial and significant part in vilifying Meghan because of her mixed-race heritage, and being an American actress with ‘a past’. Unfortunately I also do believe Meghan (although undeniably beautiful and adored by Harry) isn’t actually a very likeable person.

I do believe Harry despite all his advantages is profoundly stupid/thick and is not capable of running his own life or making sensible decisions. He has lost any useful support network, friendships, and purpose and has no adequate personal skills to help him move forward and build a life which will make him content. He appears to be the type of person who shape-shifts to whatever environment he is currently experiencing and is influenced by those around him. In some ways he is very much like Andrew who wasn’t very bright either.

I do believe that not all therapists are helpful or useful. Therapy has its uses, but can be damaging if it is the incorrect type for a particular individual.

I do believe it must be quite tough to be born as the second child into a monarchy always aware that you are not as ‘important’ as your elder sibling. It must also be tough to be born into a role as heir to the throne, knowing you are destined to play a role you cannot change. I also believe that however tough these things are they are not as tough as many other people’s life chances into which they are born - disabilities, class, lack of resources, abusive families, religion, ethnicity, gender.
I do wonder whether being just 2 siblings has caused some of the damage, a third sibling may have helped this imbalance of position between the brothers.

I do believe that Harry is very much like his mother, and other members of the Spencer family who are possibly even more dysfunctional than the Windsors.

I do believe that the media will eventually become bored with Harry - the money making for both Meghan and Harry has a limited life span, there is only so many times they can repeat all the perceived slights and revelations. In 5-10 years time they will have become an irrelevance and a sad spectacle rotating through the US media circuit.

Excellent post @SilverBirchWithout

What royalist bullshit this is.

I have a degree in economics. It's impossible to accurately value things like this, it's purely an exercise in fiction.

Thank you.

I am just gobsmacked that this is all happening tbh!

To think that Harry fled to an island to protect his family from the media, lost his mother to the media but is now selling stories about his frostbitten penis? It’s quite unbelievable.

One day his children will grow up and see all of this?

Agree with most of the OP's first post.

I think PH is very damaged by his upbringing, his mother's divorce/death and life in the media. MM is too, coming from her own dysfunctional family and media treatment. I don't doubt they love each other. I suspect therapy/MM has convinced PH that opened and truth is the only way forward for him. I don't think MM is trying to manipulate him - she probably thinks the same. I think she's given him the confidence to put his story out there.

But there's too much story! I don't agree that all these embarrassing private details need to be in the public. I definitely don't think PH's kill number needs to be "owned" and out there. I feel sorry for them for all the mockery they are receiving. I think they have had to put up with a lot of judgement from the media and the RF and the book is going to make it worse. They should have stopped with Netflix which was fine as an advertorial for them.

I'm curious about the book, not for more salacious details, but as to whether the details are included because he's trying to point to a pattern - about PW for example.

I think the RF should be retired. The mystique is gone. A lifetime of shaking hands seems like a pointless existence.

I think all of the media they made contracts with have played them (the Sussexes), like absolute fiddles. I do think Harry is yet to hit rock bottom and I don't think she loves him enough to help him out of the hole she helped dig and after all the laughing is done, he will need someone.

Agree! I thought the point PH made in Netflix about wanting to stand up to the racist aspects of the merits coverage, for his children, was fair enough.

But now I just feel sorry for his kids.