I'm feeling a bit sorry for Harry

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I feel like he needs his mum more than ever. To put an arm round him and say "enough son".

He needs guidance, he's never had maternal guidance. Its well documented that Williams life has been really enhanced by Kates parents. Harry has never had that and i feel sorry for him.

Telling is how we cement details, preserve continuity, stay sane,” Moehringer writes, defending Harry’s score-settling. Oh, please. No, it is not. Most of us don’t have a publishing deal or a slot with Oprah, or

We all tell stories to make sense of our lives. She’s right that most of us don’t have a publishing deal. But strangely enough this writer of this Times piece does have a publishing deal. She’s being paid to write this. I think it’s a dishonest article.

I would hate that. Nothing that I say is particularly interesting but I'd like it to be person to person.

The RF whatever their flaws have to deal with endless examination, their phone calls should be private, the media can be awful.

Exactly, nobody should have to tolerate that level of interference in their life.

When the case was against the Sun papers, the footballer Paul Gascoigne 'Gazza' said it made him not trust anyone. He clearly has MH & alcohol problems. That level of miss trust really couldn't have helped. Private conversation and the next.day it's in the papers. Evil

Both Charles and Diana had private phone calls recorded and released by the papers - Tampongate and Squidgygate.

I would hate my private phone calls to be listened in to never mind released for public consumption.

I can only imagine how awful it must have been for anyone who had their private calls listened to. It is ruddy awful. I don’t think anyone would want that.

And yet inaccurate little interpretations of t-gate appear here regularly when either Camilla or Charles is in the firing line.

Bloody awful for Harry or Chelsey to have endured that but seemingly fine to repeat here gleefully when it comes to Camilla or Charles.

Maybe because it doesn't exist.
One of the things I was looking for in the book was how he proposed to Chelsea and Cressida. As that was the narrative that was pushed, as if he wanted to marry them and they rejected.

No such thing.

He is very clear though on wanting to spend the rest of his life with MM from earlier on. And as we know follows through with an actual proposal.

True.

Let alone that, in her criticism she does not address that most of us don't have our lives splashed all over the tabloids. Every little detail, mixed in with twists and lies. To begin with. Hence the clarification is also public via interview and book.

Bloody awful for Harry or Chelsey to have endured that but seemingly fine to repeat here gleefully when it comes to Camilla or Charles.

I think most of us think what happened to C&C was awful and should never have been shared and think most of us are consistent with that stance.

A lot of people may have that stance yet still snarkily repeat it or casually drop it into posts - that is all I’m saying.

I’ve no doubt a lot of posters will think it was awful for them too. I’m one of them.

But if others truly thought it awful, they wouldn’t keep repeating it in order to strengthen their pop at Charles, Camilla or a more general pop towards the RF.

So @notanotheroneagain was there when Harry did or did not propose to Chelsey? If he did propose, and I think it's likely, and she turned him down (equally likely) do you think he would broadcast this?

Meghan, who knew nothing of the royal family and didn't google Harry, would have been oblivious to how intrusive a life it actually is, rather than the glamour it superficially is, and was the first to accept him.

No, he never proposed.

Why wouldn't he say it. The whole point of that segment was to highlight how the media chased his gf's away. He probably would have highlighted how he was depraved of a fiancee.

It's never been publicly said if he proposed or not.
One of his relationships was 4 years the other 8 years I'd have expected marriage and the future must have been discussed at some point in both relationships

Royals never seem to have long engagements, 6/7 months at most.

I agree that t-gate regularly gets referred to on here as a way to discredit KC. Usually a misunderstanding of that unfortunate conversation as well. Just dreadful.

I think if I, a wealthy entitled royal prince, had been turned down, my pride wouldn't let me say it. Not only that, he said that both girlfriends did not want to be part of the royal circus (my words not his) and he lost them because of all the baggage, therefor he must have envisioned life with them. Why else would he mention they were driven away? He had other girlfriends but if you are with someone for years, you're clearly looking for it to be permanent, or else move on to the next.

Why else would he mention they were driven away?

He did mention another short term girl who didn't last because of being driven away. Think it was a few weeks. She lived in Chelsea/ Kensington area? Anyway, his whole point was how anyone he dates was scared to away. By media. Not by him or even his family. The media had some kind of control in this, that is what he objects too.

He had plenty of time to propose to other girlfriends. He did not, except for MM, whom he did not dilly dally and was sure from the start. And he took the plunge despite the obstacles.

His whole point was not about who he loved the most anyway, it was about how media drive royal girlfriends away. Not giving them the space that everyone else is used to.

He may well have had plenty time to propose to his previous long term girlfriends, but part of the reason both he, William & Edward had long courtships is so the girlfriends could be absolutely certain that the RF was the life for them. He must have discussed the future with them.
The RF had enough divorces with Margaret, Charles, Ann and Andrew.

The press he feels press intrusion and phone hacking pushed his long term partners away.
Did he move quickly with Meghan because they had no intention of being full-time Royals, she was an actress so used to being in the media, and time marching on didn't have time to waste if they wanted children?

We absolutely agree that the people who talk about it obviously don’t think it’s awful so will mention it. Repeatedly.

I think the t-gate thing was awful. But in a sense at least the press were open about it.

The secretive nature of what the hackers did to Harry and others was brutal making them doubt their own family and friends for selling stories.
Gazza went through a spell where he knew he was being tapped and family thought he was being paranoid, even his therapist didn't believe him, the guy was buying new phones every other week.

Did he move quickly with Meghan because they had no intention of being full-time Royals

Well obviously not. Because he was saying, she moves over here to work with him and give up acting when pa says there is no money to pay for her. Which she actually did.

Considering the book spare was commissioned just a few months after the queen advised then to step down for a year and live in Canada until they decided what to do, it's clear they had no intention of staying on as working royals. Presumably part of their own idea of half in and half out. So the book and the author was commissioned as part of the half out segment?

The half in half out and making their own money was an idea that appealed to both of them and that they assumed the queen would agree to. Clearly she didn't.

Everyone has pretty much agreed that the conversations should not have been in the papers. But we all know it now.

Surely, you should also be asking people to stop dropping in unapproved pics of Harry 1. naked in LV and him 2. wearing nazi uniform at a private party. These were all taken on the sly, without his knowledge and published without his approval.

It sounds to me, rightly, people are looking at the affects of the action rather than the method in these cases. IE, well he was 1. stupid 🙄 and 2. he was racist 😠.

So, should that not be the same with CPB&C, that they were cheating on their spouses rather than some guy 'accidentally tuned into their frequency' - I put it in quotes cause that was the daft difference.
Same with Diana - though I think hers was a proper paper hack.
Nevertheless, people were more concerned about the outcome. Cheating on and with a married person.

It's just that I have not seen you protest about the other cases. That they should be stopped being mentioned.

What?

I'm quite I read that other poster as implying that H&M were never gonna stay right at the beginning ????

*difference = defence

I absolutely agree that the LV pictures were uncalled for and unnecessary.

I struggle with the Nazi pictures because arguably you are right, he was at a private event and these should never been released (and indeed breeched his privacy), but the grandson (at the time) of the monarch wearing the uniform of the regime we went to war with with all of their attendant history, was newsworthy.

But I agree - many people (myself included) struggle with consistency. It’s difficult to hold the same position in all situations especially when people like the people they are criticising but it’s important to try.

Yes, it was important. Very important

My argument is that so was the future king of England / head of church cheating with a married woman - at some point people had to abdicate because of this. Rather important for royalist. Who seem to hold the monarchy rules above racism from the looks of things, but claim not to.

So while I don't equate the two and fully acknowledge they are two different things. The method was bad in each one.

Ironically, only Harry's racissm is held up there. Even though he is one of the few to acknowledge, apologise and atone within the RF.