I'm feeling a bit sorry for Harry

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I feel like he needs his mum more than ever. To put an arm round him and say "enough son".

He needs guidance, he's never had maternal guidance. Its well documented that Williams life has been really enhanced by Kates parents. Harry has never had that and i feel sorry for him.

I’m not sure how he thinks his own children are not going to be detrimentally damaged. The harm to William and Harry began well before Diana’s death by his own parents over sharing. His children are going to socialise at school with other children with influential parents who will be wanting to avoid H and M due to fears over privacy.

I wish he'd stop whining like a spoilt brat now, he's has a lot of privileges to be grateful for sad his family don't all get on but that is life, he has his own family now and will never have any money worries. Live your life Harry! you got what you wanted, stop selling every thought that pops in your mind.

Why?

I think that's unfair. Diana was 36 when she died and she'd be what 62 (?) now.

She was always in touch with her emotions and she had been through a hell of lot at the young age of 36. I think she would have continued 'growing'. She definitely seemed happier and stronger when she died.

because, as my therapist told me, when you have to deal with the backlash of putting it all out there then you distract yourself from dealing with the actual wound (which I think we could mostly agree, Harry does have.

I think he should have had a lot more therapy and kept it all private.
Because, as I've discovered myself, even your own narrative changes over time. Three years ago I would have written you forty pages about the pain my mother has caused me and now I can reduce it to my mother's narrative about me is not who I am and that hurts. So even if you are going to put it all out there I think it makes sense to let a lot more time pass first.

I feel sorry for his PR people having to try and mop this one up.

Even as adults & all the advisers in the world, we still make mistakes.
I feel desperately sorry for Harry now. Yes, it may well all be true, but to air it so publicly will only hurt him.

I don’t think it’s necessary to be airing your dirty laundry in public

once something gets out like that you can’t take it back

I bloody don’t! They’re the ones who’ve landed him in this mess! And all for money.

Millions of people lose their mothers and don't lose the plot like this. He's a spoilt whinger who blames everyone else for every mistake and misfortune in his life.
He still had a father, grandparents, a lot of uncles, aunts and cousins, and a great deal of money. Help and support was available to him.

Well, I don't think this way of launching the book to the world was in anyone's plans. They won't have been planning hurriedly cobbled together translations drip dripping through the press several days before the official release date. Any launch strategies they had are ruined now. I also wouldn't assume they've landed him in this rather than this being all his idea, although I take your point that they're presumably getting a decent wage for it.

His situation is pretty unique. Being in the Royal Family is not the same as millions of other people.
It's a total argument to disband it IMO. It's akin to child abuse.

I think the WORST thing Harry did was hire an American PR company. Absolutely clueless about the history, values and traditions of British life and how complaints and slights would be perceived by both the public and the awful tabloid media.

I feel sorry for him too. I think through therapy he's unravelled decades of conditioning and gaslighting in his upbringing and he's found his own voice, which is a good thing. But perhaps he's revealing TOO much and doesn't know when to stop. We don't need to know when or how he lost his virginity. He has every right to be open though, but who knows how this is going to affect him in the future.

At the end of the day, imo ALL of this is the RF's fault. If only from the start they'd publicly called the press out on their racist commentary of Meghan and told them to stop, and helped Meghan through her MH crisis, it would have made the pair feel more supported and then they perhaps wouldn't have left.

Support is not just a thing you do for "show" (ie C walking her down the aisle) but needs real, genuine, behind-the-scenes warmth, and I don't think they're capable of that.

They lost an opportunity with Meghan, she's very intelligent and an excellent public speaker, she could have made them look so good. But they're a bunch of backward stuffed shirts and couldn't see it or didn't want to/were jealous/racist. What kind of family leaks stories against their own relatives - brothers/fathers etc - trying to make each other look bad? I wouldn't want to be part of that either.

Someone on Mumsnet ages ago said the Royals are ' bred in captivity'
It's true

If I remember correctly Diana had quite a dysfunctional family background.

I feel sorry for him, being part of the golden family but not as golden as your older sibling must be a difficult position to be in. The talk about Diana recognising that - perhaps the Queen was the same with Andrew and that was where the notion that he was her favourite came from (am setting Anne to one side I know). What does annoy me is that he says he still believes in the concept of monarchy- so he thinks it’s ok for there to be a family that is perceived as more special than everyone else but he is resentful that within that family, one of the children is regarded as more special? Also, the British monarchy has surely lasted longer than others because they have agreed to a structure where the monarch is the head of state but cedes the political power to the people and remains apolitical as an entity. If Harry wants to be part of a monarchy and be vocal about views that have a non-neutral political edge then he wants to be part of an “old style” monarchy which has political influence.

No, it wasn’t in their plans, evidently.

Whoever advised him that it was fine and dandy to piss off the Taliban is an absolute fuckwit. Ditto discussing the Queen on her deathbed. Sheer stupidity / greed.

It's like watching Britney. Very sad.

I do feel desperately sorry for him. The fact it’s all self inflicted makes it worse not better.

Listen to you all rabbiting on like you have any clue whatsoever what goes on inside those palace doors.

Several of my friends occupy senior jobs in the media, several of my DH's friends were in William's year at Eton, and everything I've been told by them contradicts the fangirls on this thread. It's well known in the media and royal circles that William (and Kate) is a bully. It's well known that their marriage is a facade and he's had multiple affairs. It's well known that he acts one way in front of the public and another in private.

Harry is jumping a sinking ship.

I also feel sorry for him. Why he would do that to his own kids, including increasing the security risk for them, is beyond me. He must be in a very bad place, mentally speaking. I hope he gets the help he needs. There is clearly a generational trauma there. I would like to think they haven’t just done it for the money. That it is more down to poor mental health/trauma.

I don’t feel sorry for him one jot. He’s a multi millionaire spiteful little man-child out to destroy his whole family.

Yes they did, but they didn't have to put in on a public front to appease all those selfish people who though their second hand grief were more important then 2 young teenagers who had actually lost their mother.

I feel sorry him, having his father 'joke' about if he is even his child, calling the 'spare' on top of everything else.

And as for him getting counselling, we all know the royal family don't believe in counselling, even when it clear that Diana needed it.

The Taliban thing in particular is such an incredibly stupid thing to do that I have to wonder if anyone did advise him it was fine. It's not like anyone on his payroll or even in his circle could veto it.

No sympathy for him and Meghan from me.

They are grown ups, adults. They know what they are doing.

They've got the attention they wanted, they will just have to deal with any repercussions along the way.