I'm feeling a bit sorry for Harry

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I feel like he needs his mum more than ever. To put an arm round him and say "enough son".

He needs guidance, he's never had maternal guidance. Its well documented that Williams life has been really enhanced by Kates parents. Harry has never had that and i feel sorry for him.

My comment was nothing to do with the character of Eugenie's husband. The point was that Harry was given someone to sit with who is not really RF - he was in but he wasn't.

Blimey, @sheworemellowyellow - I'd no idea about the ghostwriter. Good grief.
True about Jack Brooksbank, he was so friendly and chatty to Harry. Seems like a nice guy.

Jack and Harry are friends, the two couples are.

Which is interesting in itself, because Beatrice and Eugenie are good friends with Piers Morgan, which surprised me. However, I did see the pictures of their lunch party last week and Piers hugging Beatrice. So they're obviously close.

Piers and Clarkson get on famously with all of the royals and their friendships go way back. Piers' wife has been close friends with one of them for absolutely ages.

I meant all bar two (but Harry was just fine around their them and their kids .before he married).

Interesting, @Sudeko - I was definitely surprised to see the warmth between Piers, Beatrice and Eugenie last week. On social kissing terms. I didn't realise Harry had been a friend, too.

I didn’t see warmth between Eugenie and Piers, just Beatrice. All I got from those photos was they have mutual friends.

No, they're friends. Would you hug and kiss Piers Morgan if he was just a friend of a friend?.....

Apparently Piers morgan has know beatrice and eugenie since they were small chldren. He gets on well with Fergie and they have been friends since she married andrew. They clearly meet reasonably often and are all friends, including with piers' wife. Just so happened that a photographer snapped one photo. All the rest have just gone under the radar.

You can see its a genuine papped photo because he looks like a scruffy oik.
So yes, all friends. Sorry to disappoint.

Yes, I think Piers Morgan's wife (Celia?) is a good friend and the families have hung out for years.

@Inkanta and @Morestrangerthings

Yes he does have a a great energy! He. Infused it into the abbey... There is something about him and Diana and Megan also.

Kate looked exquisite but it's that energy she's doesn't have and definitely not William although I was impressed by his speech at the concert.

So Harry thinks Piers' best buddy Camilla fed Piers stories.

It's all confusing though. Why would Eugenie be friends with Meghan and Piers. I need to lie down.

Because the Morgan and York families have been friends for years.
Who do you think put Meghan in touch with Morgan to meet on that fateful night? Meghan knew Eugenie before Harry because of the Soho House contacts.

The full article in the New Yorker is very interesting. It’s all about the process of ghostwriting, and Moehringer himself (his career and some of his personal circs). Typically, the DM had cherry picked the bits it wants to support its agenda. Although it’s wickedly well written by Moehringer (the original article) so impossible to tell what he makes of Harry or Meghan. He’s definitely sympathetic with Harry feeling gaslit, and having endlessly false things written about him, but there’s a touch of snark to it, like The Cut’s article on Meghan. Better quality and much more subtle. But still there in what’s not said (which, as he says, is more than half the job of a ghostwriter). All quite delicious literary gossip.

Thanks for the heads up, @sheworemellowyellow , sounds interesting.

He’s a good writer and refers to Harry as his friend.

From the New Yorker piece, seems relevant to the title of the thread:

Harry was all heart. He asked if my family was O.K., asked for physical descriptions of the people harassing us, promised to make some calls, see if anything could be done. We both knew nothing could be done, but still. I felt gratitude, and some regret. I’d worked hard to understand the ordeals of Harry Windsor, and now I saw that I understood nothing. Empathy is thin gruel compared with the marrow of experience. One morning of what Harry had endured since birth made me desperate to take another crack at the pages in “Spare” that talk about the media.

That was an interesting observation Moehringer made.

My overall impression from the article is that Moehringer found that, like him but many fold, Harry is damaged. Has some good things, some bad things, but you get the feeling that on balance Moehringer found the experience difficult and stressful because of the subject. Let me see if I can link to it:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/15/j-r-moehringer-ghostwriter-prince-harry-memoir-spare

Hope that works!

Brave is serving in warzones

Wot, like Afghanistan?

@sheworemellowyellow I didn’t get that at all. He found it difficult and stressful once it came out, or once he was found to be the ghost, because of the press. He specifically says that. I think saying someone is ‘damaged’ ( which the author doesn’t say ) is a little unnecessarily mean. He’s experienced trauma. Damaged is a loaded word.

I agree Whaeanui, ‘Damaged’ is a word often used to dismiss people, to write them off, I’ve found. I would not use it. It never used to be used in relation to people that I can remember - Only used in relation to inanimate objects. People were ‘hurt’. And now we recognise, and name, trauma.

He said that he found it stressful.due to the harassment from the press. In lead up to 'Spare'being released he received the treatment, Harry has to put up with his whole life.

It really wasn't brave. As you said yourself he brought it all on himself. Brave is serving in warzones or living with a disability, not facing family you've been incredibly scathing about.

So then, Harry qualifies as ‘brave’.

Why would Charles have invited Harry if he didn’t want him there? That makes no sense.

And the idea that they put him behind Anne and her feather to hide him…well doing such a thing makes Charles look petty. I don’t believe he is petty.