Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
The royal family

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Original poster

Meghan WAS banned from Balmoral after Queen’s death

869 replies

SnottyLottie · 05/01/2023 20:48

In his book, Harry also claims that his father told him that Meghan should not come to Balmoral. The Queen was staying at her Scottish estate when she died last September.

The prince wrote: "Then my father called again. He told me I was welcome at Balmoral, but… without her. He started to explain his reasons, but they didn't make any sense at all, and it was disrespectful as well. I did not tolerate it from him.

"Don't even think about talking about my wife like that.

"Repentant, he said, stammering, that he simply didn't want the place to be full of people. Nobody's wife was going to go, not even Kate, he told me, so Meg shouldn't either."

source: news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-asked-his-father-not-to-marry-camilla-as-moment-he-was-told-about-his-mothers-car-accident-revealed-in-book-12780602

OP posts:
Shelefttheweb · 08/01/2023 22:33

I’m not suggesting they have misrepresented the book (I am sure we would have heard if they had) and I am sure they are very much not idiots. But when you translate something you can do a straight word for word translation, or translation of the meaning of the phrase. I am sure media editors chose their version of the translation carefully and they wouldn’t necessarily be the words you would prefer if writing a book in English.

AliceOlive · 08/01/2023 22:44

Shelefttheweb · 08/01/2023 22:33

I’m not suggesting they have misrepresented the book (I am sure we would have heard if they had) and I am sure they are very much not idiots. But when you translate something you can do a straight word for word translation, or translation of the meaning of the phrase. I am sure media editors chose their version of the translation carefully and they wouldn’t necessarily be the words you would prefer if writing a book in English.

Absolutely. But what difference does it make what exactly was written? He addressed private topics that his family certainly did not want in the public domain.

OMG12 · 08/01/2023 22:51

I’m sure if what is being said/translated was misrepresenting what’s in the book we would have heard from H&Ms lawyers by now. Although prob won’t be long before they put out a story that the RF intercepted the printing to insert their lies into the book

Mañanarama · 08/01/2023 22:53

Anyone know when the interviews were recorded? I only saw a bit of the TB one, which was from before the book was leaked. Has he spoken to anyone since?

PicturesOfDogs · 08/01/2023 22:54

The fact he blamed the ‘my family are racist’ narrative on the media and not on their own words makes me critical of what else he blames on the media, that wasn’t actually them.

That one was all on you and Meghan!

Boulshired · 09/01/2023 01:59

So he said wasn’t invited on the plane to balmoral, why would he want any reconciliation if that is true. That would certainly be a red line for me

Morestrangethings · 09/01/2023 04:54

Itsnottime · 08/01/2023 21:00

Yes that’s what I think too.

Show quote history

I’d like to think the palace corrected untrue stories about Meghan - a lot - too. But no one has actually shown me a lot, yet.

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 09/01/2023 05:51

Morestrangethings · 09/01/2023 04:54

I’d like to think the palace corrected untrue stories about Meghan - a lot - too. But no one has actually shown me a lot, yet.

Show quote history

That’s the thing isn’t it - they can’t come out all guns a-blazing’ in her/their defence if they did what they did.

defence having a someone different meaning to “controlling the narrative”.

====

Not sure about the excuses for translation. This is not being done with someone with a GCSE in Spanish and a pro plan to Babelfish. Eg my Spanish translator friend freelances for NATO/UN - they don’t “guess” their way around.

Snippedasababy · 09/01/2023 05:52

@Serenster do you have those pictures of all the times the RF did speak out on behalf of H&M?

Thank you if you do.

LittleBearPad · 09/01/2023 07:33

Boulshired · 09/01/2023 01:59

So he said wasn’t invited on the plane to balmoral, why would he want any reconciliation if that is true. That would certainly be a red line for me

So you think Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie etc should all be livid too? They weren’t invited either?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 09/01/2023 07:45

If my grandma was laying dying and my (for example) SIL had been slagging off her and everything she stood for shortly before, or caused her distress, I’d go to huge lengths too to make sure SIL wasn’t anywhere near her death bed

Serenster · 09/01/2023 07:55

Snippedasababy · 09/01/2023 05:52

@Serenster do you have those pictures of all the times the RF did speak out on behalf of H&M?

Thank you if you do.

They are on page 32, @Snippedasababy

Itsnottime · 09/01/2023 11:01

LittleBearPad · 09/01/2023 07:33

So you think Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie etc should all be livid too? They weren’t invited either?

Show quote history

He’s not actually a working Royal. Why should he expect to travel with those who are?

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 11:02

Why should he expect to travel with his father and brother to his dying grandmother?

smilesy · 09/01/2023 11:07

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 11:02

Why should he expect to travel with his father and brother to his dying grandmother?

It was pure chance that he was in this country when the Queen died, so maybe he wasn’t factored in to the most up to date plans for Operation London Bridge 🤷‍♀️

vera99 · 09/01/2023 11:12

Itsnottime · 09/01/2023 11:01

He’s not actually a working Royal. Why should he expect to travel with those who are?

Show quote history

Working should be used in "quotes" 😁

Shelefttheweb · 09/01/2023 11:19

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 11:02

Why should he expect to travel with his father and brother to his dying grandmother?

His father was already at his grandmother’s side but if he wasn’t then I doubt he and William could have travelled together as first and second in line to the throne. However, as to why he should be expected to get on a specially laid on plane that would get him there straight away as opposed to a separate plane flying the same route at the same time? Well if he wanted to waste money like that then he needed to make it clear straightaway so his relatives didn’t have to wait wondering if the delay was causing them to miss their chance to say goodbye, and pay for the second plane from his own pocket. Even it would hardly be environmentally friendly.

BethJ62 · 09/01/2023 11:20

Shelefttheweb · 09/01/2023 11:19

His father was already at his grandmother’s side but if he wasn’t then I doubt he and William could have travelled together as first and second in line to the throne. However, as to why he should be expected to get on a specially laid on plane that would get him there straight away as opposed to a separate plane flying the same route at the same time? Well if he wanted to waste money like that then he needed to make it clear straightaway so his relatives didn’t have to wait wondering if the delay was causing them to miss their chance to say goodbye, and pay for the second plane from his own pocket. Even it would hardly be environmentally friendly.

Show quote history

Harry is not second in line . He comes after the Wales children .

Shelefttheweb · 09/01/2023 11:24

His father was already at his grandmother’s side but if he wasn’t then I doubt he and William could have travelled together

’He’ being his father, Charles. (I should have said ‘at his mother’s side’)

Shelefttheweb · 09/01/2023 11:30

At the time William was second in line to the throne. Even then it does seem risky to have 2, 6 and 7 in line to the throne and three of the then four counsellors of state on the same plane.

HariKris · 09/01/2023 11:33

Zara and H&M could not go because there was no Diesel. I was surprised Fat Face made it at all, I thought he was Toast. Despite his New Look the King could not Hackett. Personally I think H&M are just after the Joules, but if there was no invite there was danger of a Trespass.

I find this all so confusing, like a Jigsaw, sitting in my Office, Superdry while listening to the Monsoon pelting against my window. All I know the Queen's death has left a big Gap in our lives. And Vera wants a Banana Republic.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 09/01/2023 11:44

Harry deliberately omitted the fact that no grandchildren (other than William) were on the plane. He said "all the other family" in that geographical area. The section quoted on the 60 mins twitter feed also makes it sound like Kate was on the plane. And implied that the plane arrived for the family to see the Queen before she died, which we know to be untrue - though that was more their voice over than Harry's words.

Harry wants to push the narrative that he was always second best to William (which I believe to an extent) but not acknowledge that he has been treated very favourably in comparison to his cousins, let alone the average citizen.

It really would have been risky to have Charles, William, Harry all on the same plane, as the Wales' children are all under 18. However, that was not a consideration as Charles was already in Balmoral.

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 11:46

None of the other grandchildren went, William fair enough as heir to the throne, but Harry was there by the skin of his teeth.
Their wives certainly shouldn't have tried to muscle their way in (and Kate didn't)

Trust had already been broken and interviews given, the queen was distressed
By their behaviour. There is no way anyone would've wanted Meghan there, it was not her place to be there even if in good terms but not after all the heartbreak her and Harry we're causing the family.

lippylippy · 09/01/2023 11:53

Do you honestly think the Queen would have wanted Meghan there. She hardly knew her. I would not want anyone that I was not exceptionally close to at my death bed. It would have been really uncomfortable for everyone.

Thisistyresome · 09/01/2023 11:54

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 11:02

Why should he expect to travel with his father and brother to his dying grandmother?

Well, as his father was in Scotland and drove to be there (while Harry was in SE England), I suspect the laws a physics are a fairly good reason to not expect that to happen...