To wonder if the allegations Harry has made against his brother might be true?

[pearlearringgirl]

We put the royal family on a pedestal, however they are a family with potential issues and dysfunction like a lot of families have.

I just find myself wondering if these allegations might have some truth behind them and what that might mean for the future of the royal family.

I also wonder what Dianna would think of this feud between her two boys. I expect she would be very sad…

t's clear you're choosing not to believe the facts when you're even willing to ignore the things that Harry has been forced to admit in his court case.

You are coming to different conclusions to me, that is all. I am asking you again, to stop the personal aggressive remarks about me based on the fact I think differently to you and interpret 'the facts' differently to you. Aggressively responding to posters and making personal remarks is unnecessary.

It is not unusual for your 18 year old self and your 38 year old self to assess the situation and the people in it differently. He perhaps changed his mind, was in two minds...thats certainly something I can understand.

Nah, I don’t believe a word of it. Harry is a proven liar several times over. Why would anyone believe anything he says when he has proven himself to be so deceptive.

His court testimony showed his book contradicted his witness statement, and he’s admitted he can’t remember which version is the truth

This all too common behaviour is why it beats the hell out of me why anyone would automatically believe he's telling the truth on any given occasion

Of course it doesn't mean he's automatically lying either, but when someone's done it so often it seems naive at best to assume his accounts are accurate, especially when he refers to the maddening "my truth"

Yes, “my truth” is the key.

and it’s rather different from “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”

Honestly, you have a point this is NOT normal royal behaviour.

I don’t understand why Charlie is putting up with so many attacks from his son and allowing him to damage the monarchy in such way.

In other times he would have already been dealt as a traitor, lost all his privileges (and title) or at least being given a decorative position/job in a remote and isolated island of the commonwealth where they could course the least damage.

With regards to the disfunction family issues, look around you. Every body has one around!

I don't think Harry has lied and I don't know why anyone would think that, he has always come across as a straightforward sort of chap, unlike other members of the royal family. However, time passes and recollections, particularly of details, will always vary; that is true for all of us. In this case, I'm not sure it really matters that much but to call somebody a liar is a bit strong; in order to lie there has to be full knowledge and consent and he would gain nothing by doing that. It's over and done with, nobody died, Harry and William's lives, with their lovely wives and families, go on and good luck to them all. I wish the media would stop being so absolutely awful, muck raking, manipulating stories and taking words out of context. More fools those who believe them! Harry has been done to death, I wonder who their next victim will be.

"I don't understand why Charlie is putting up with so many attacks from his son and allowing him to damage the monarchy in such a way."
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Is Harry really damaging 'the monarchy'? The main players seem to be getting on with their jobs, trapped though they may be, like most of the rest of us.

....because Charles is busy getting on with his job and he doesn't want to hurt Harry at a time when he sees Harry probably hurting himself, and because he loves Harry, the way many families don't cast out their black sheep, even while they acknowledge that 'that one has always been difficult'. (Very distant cousin said of her nephew that the trouble was that his mother spoiled him. He made headline news once in a paper.)

...because Charles isn't going to be dictated to by the front page of any sodding tabloid?

...because when you play with soot you get dirty?

...because he's sitting in the garden in Romania, dashing off a few water-colours and talking on the phone to Camilla about the reading fest at Hampton Court? Is she involved in that?

@TrashyPanda You haven't read my post properly. When I said it wasn't quite like that, I wasn't sticking up for, or criticising, either of them. I was merely recounting the incident as told, because many posters on here probably haven't even read the book, and only have extracts from the media to go on, often misquoted and laid before us without context. William didn't just lose his temper, but chose to pick a fight with Harry. I'm not being critical of this. It's how they used to operate. Of course H was both unwise and unfair to reveal all, but that's not what the OP asked. The question was simply if we thought the allegations were true. None of us can know, and truth is subjective. IMO H has some reason to feel the way he does, but I may well have felt the same for W in a parallel universe where his version could have been made public. I find your aggressive reaction to any even slightly positive remarks re H very strange.

@LBFseBrom You are SO right. 😁

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Where is the other thread gone? @mixedrecycling

Despite valiant attempts to keep on topic, the thread has been deleted.

New thread about the aftermath of the court case and what happens next going forward

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4824453-harry-and-his-truth

William didn't just lose his temper, but chose to pick a fight with Harry

only if you believe Harry.

many do not.

and Harry is the brother with the proven temper, not William.

I find your passive aggressive attitude to those with differing views rather tedious.

I thought Harry said in his book they were both shouting and hurling insults at each other?

He could have been given a “position/job in a remote and isolated island of the commonwealth where they could course the least damage”.

I think this could be better thought out. Those remote islands of the Commonwealth were the colonised countries full of British people sent away - including second sons to improve themselves and make a fortune - beginning the havoc (really ‘cry havoc’ stuff) that the Original Owners of those lands had to endure - the results of which they still endure.

The Queen put up with Charles spilling the beans on her and Phillip’s parenting.

Charles at age 30 married a girl whom he didn’t love, with the Queen’s consent (and apparently, approval), fathered two children on her and promptly lost interest in her. She was all of 23 or 24 by then. Then made it known, on tv and in a book, that he wasn’t the first one to have an affair. I can just imagine how that would go down on mumsnet as a post from a young wife on AIBU.

We can all tell the bare bones of a story of a person, and make someone seems like a total arsehole. Which is what some people do to Harry. (Disclaimer: In reality I see Charles as being a far more complex person who has done good things as well as bad).

Thanks @TrashyPanda

Judging by Harry's jealous and spiteful attacks on William, and how he has revealed himself as petty, childish, paranoid and angry and comparing that image he had before, fun, empathetic, generous and relatable, all I can say is the Palace did a fabulous PR job.

So William and kate and Charles and Camilla, my be equally shitty people, but they are protected by palace PR.

The point I'm making is no one knows any of these people enough to say something about their true characters. Harry has though, written his memoir and appeared ad nauseam on TV and shown far more than the others.

That's what they say on the fem board, if someone shows you who they are , believe them!

I don’t understand why Charlie is putting up with so many attacks from his son and allowing him to damage the monarchy in such way

Possibly because any attempts to encourage him towards moderation may bring even more outbursts from California?

There are times to keep schtum and allow attackers who have an odd relationship with the truth to run themselves into the sand, and this could be one of them - not that Charles is in any position to talk about others speaking the truth, but there seems little sense in making things even worse for himself

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 07:53

"They're no better than us". Why should they be?

Because they are treated like they are, special laws or exemptions, money from the public, titles and curtseys, enormous privilege.
Electing a head of state is democratic, hereditary heads of state is not.

Much of that would apply to an elected Head of State. Yes, electing the Head of State would be "democratic" but why is that a panacea when there is no power attached? (tho' I can see why Boris might go for it...)
The RF are just people, very rich people, yes, but why should we expect them to live saintly lives as "an example to us all"?

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 07:05
I don't agree there are contradictions in his witness statement and I do not agree he says he can't remember which version is the truth, that's your interpretation and view but its certainly not fact.

You may not agree but I think you'll find the Judge does.
And Harry has already admitted he has no evidence, "That's why I'm here".

Does he expect the court to investigate on his behalf? That's not how it works.

His K.C. must have known Harry would be useless in the witness box, and yet he is happy to take (a lot of) money from him

You may not agree but I think you'll find the Judge does.

You wren't in the courtroom and you've no real idea what a judge would think, but you're entitled to that opinion. The case has just started so I'm not going to pretend I know what evidence his team have just yet.

Yeah Harry’s a proven liar and all of the tabloid and even mainstream media reporting about this has been straight down the line.